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Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 04:11pm

Good for you, Alyeska!

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-01 04:20pm

No way in hell is DS gonna post that without think your a Warsie in disguise trying to assassinate the last bastion of trek.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 04:21pm

anarchistbunny wrote:No way in hell is DS gonna post that without think your a Warsie in disguise trying to assassinate the last bastion of trek.

DS is an idiot, he'll see it and continue masturbating to his Trek Zombie fantasies.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 04:37pm

Well when Chris and I finally get around to putting our Trek page up (its only to do with Trek, no VS or Wars issues on it) we might dedicate a section just to proving DS's claims about Trek wrong or stupid.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 04:38pm

Alyeska wrote:Well when Chris and I finally get around to putting our Trek page up (its only to do with Trek, no VS or Wars issues on it) we might dedicate a section just to proving DS's claims about Trek wrong or stupid.

Be warned, D will probably mail you his semen soaked blatherings. You would do well to have the T-1000 on guard ready to spike his head off as often as needed.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 04:40pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Well when Chris and I finally get around to putting our Trek page up (its only to do with Trek, no VS or Wars issues on it) we might dedicate a section just to proving DS's claims about Trek wrong or stupid.
Be warned, D will probably mail you his semen soaked blatherings. You would do well to have the T-1000 on guard ready to spike his head off as often as needed.

If it was to long winded we will probably state we won't bother with such large amounts of BS, he must learn to speak his BS at lower volumes.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-01 06:52pm

Ummm...have you guys considered the possibility that Dorkster wrote most of the stuff on the comments page himself? I'm sure there's a shitload of idiot trekkie wanksters out there, but I find it hard to believe that so many would visit his site and leave comments too.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-01 07:01pm

Off topic:

In AotC, there weren't any craters left over on the platform when Obi-wan was fighting Jango+Boba in Slave I, were there?

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-12-01 07:12pm

aerius wrote: Ummm...have you guys considered the possibility that Dorkster wrote most of the stuff on the comments page himself? I'm sure there's a shitload of idiot trekkie wanksters out there, but I find it hard to believe that so many would visit his site and leave comments too.

There's certainly enough similar sentence construction to suggest that it's mostly the same author. Sure, there's the lack of spelling and punctuation present in some, and one PERSON TYPING ONLY IN CAPITALS, but IMO that's just flavouring tossed in as a decoy.
Notice how the ALL CAPS GUY OR GAL is expressing a pro-wars stance, but can be safely ignored because, after all, they're talking in caps and has poor grammar, and is therefore an idiot. Real subtle manipulation there.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 08:40pm

Alyeska wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Well when Chris and I finally get around to putting our Trek page up (its only to do with Trek, no VS or Wars issues on it) we might dedicate a section just to proving DS's claims about Trek wrong or stupid.
Be warned, D will probably mail you his semen soaked blatherings. You would do well to have the T-1000 on guard ready to spike his head off as often as needed.
If it was to long winded we will probably state we won't bother with such large amounts of BS, he must learn to speak his BS at lower volumes.

Good luck with your website, Alyeska, whether or not it has a section dedicated to disproving DarkStar's claims.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 08:44pm

Alyeska wrote:I sent DS this particular message on his Feedback page.

Alyeska wrote: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

I would have to say that the majority of us Trekkies at SB.com and SD.net aren't all that thrilled with your work. As you well should know I am on Wong's hate-mail page, as is Chris O'Farrell. Neither of us are all that impressed with your work at the moment. You have made spiteful attacks against Wong, incredibly borring and long winded debates against him, and have in general tried to decieve people on these debates. You claim victory when someone insults you (and some times not even then) regardless of the facts of the debate. Your "fan base" at SB.com is made up of 3, maybe 4 people who are generally considered the WORST ST vs SW debaters on the site.

On behalf of the rationale trekkies out there, please stop.

Oh, I INSIST that you post this in your feedback section.

If I know DarkStar, he'll put it up and then claim that you are a rabid-Warsie in disguise, or that he doesn't care after all about what other people think of him. Having said that, it was nice of you to send it to him. Maybe it'll give him pause before he considers talking about his "last bastion" crap.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-01 08:45pm

GAAAH! THE STUPIDITY NEVER ENDS!

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 08:58pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:I sent DS this particular message on his Feedback page.

Alyeska wrote: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

I would have to say that the majority of us Trekkies at SB.com and SD.net aren't all that thrilled with your work. As you well should know I am on Wong's hate-mail page, as is Chris O'Farrell. Neither of us are all that impressed with your work at the moment. You have made spiteful attacks against Wong, incredibly borring and long winded debates against him, and have in general tried to decieve people on these debates. You claim victory when someone insults you (and some times not even then) regardless of the facts of the debate. Your "fan base" at SB.com is made up of 3, maybe 4 people who are generally considered the WORST ST vs SW debaters on the site.

On behalf of the rationale trekkies out there, please stop.

Oh, I INSIST that you post this in your feedback section.
If I know DarkStar, he'll put it up and then claim that you are a rabid-Warsie in disguise, or that he doesn't care after all about what other people think of him. Having said that, it was nice of you to send it to him. Maybe it'll give him pause before he considers talking about his "last bastion" crap.

If he does the first one you mention, he will be torn to shreds at SB. He can't deny my history from there.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 09:11pm

(sigh)

DarkStar wrote: > Comment: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies
> support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

You are at liberty to do so, but I have made no such claim. I do not
request or require your support.

On my new feedback responses page, I do include a comment wherein someone
says that most support me, and I appreciated that comment. However, I
think I've made it pretty clear that public relations is neither my forte,
nor my goal. I am interested in the facts, and they are the final
arbiter.

On the other hand, I included the feedback responses page because a little
good press never hurt. I'm also working on a message to the Versus
community which should be completed soon. I was going to request that you
or Hansen share it with the other groups, as well.

> I would have to say that the majority of us Trekkies at SB.com and
> SD.net aren't all that thrilled with your work. As you well should know
> I am on Wong's hate-mail page, as is Chris O'Farrell. Neither of us are
> all that impressed with your work at the moment.

Why might that be? I would like to hear your justification for that
opinion.

Bear in mind, though, that my opinion of you is not high, either. On
Wong's hate mail page of "Spacebattles.com Babies", you're seen to say
that he uses biased and false information, and that you've proved him
wrong many times. And yet, recently, you've stated with apparent pride on
SD.Net that Wong considers you a good, intelligent debater.

I find such a boast absurd. Based on my own experience and observation of
Wong, I'd rather he *not* think I'm a good, intelligent debater. He
normally reserves his loathing and personal attacks for those who either
really are demonstrably wrong and/or stupid, or else he uses such
maneuvers as a smokescreen to cover the fact that he's just received a
public beating with fact and logic.

Thus, one usually has a fifty-fifty chance of being just fine if one is on
Wong's bad side . . . and the odds are actually better than that, since he
normally flings BS as a smokescreen.

Did it not occur to you that Wong's praise might simply be because he
finds you mediocre, and thus an excellent Token Trekkie to have around?

> You have made spiteful attacks against Wong,

This amused me greatly. Spiteful attacks against Wong? "How dare I
insult Wong! He is sweetness and light! So innocent and pure! A
veritable angel!"

Wong is the firestarter, in case you hadn't noticed. And, as per the
banning (which he justifies because I gave as good as I got in the insult
category), he can't take the heat that he himself creates. I hardly find
that to be a valid reason for anyone to loathe me.

> incredibly borring and long winded debates against him,

Another invalid concept. His creationist-scattergun tactics and feigned
ignorance (at least, I hope it was feigned) required that I dismantle his
BS and "hold his hand" through the basics of logic and the evidence we
were working with, and even quote myself on more than one occasion to
disprove a claim he'd made about what I'd said (see the 5th round canon
section for a prime example that I noticed while making my page last
night). If he wanted a shorter debate, he should have adjusted his
tactics appropriately.

> and have in general tried to decieve people on these debates.

I love this. I've been accused of lying in these debates so often that I
don't even pay attention anymore. It's a standard Warsie tactic that
will be numbered appropriately in my upcoming list of Warsie default
tactics. In a recent discussion with a Vs. community denizen, he
complained of the same treatment.

I don't think you people understand the difference between a lie and a
difference of opinion. I also don't think you people understand the
difference between truth and belief. In every situation where I have been
accused of lying, I have had a position which is backed up by fact, and
the other party has a position which, if backed up at all, is tenuous at
best. However, they *believe* they are correct, and therefore they accuse
me of lying.

Were I a Warsie of such calibre, I'd have accused you of lying with every
word you spoke in this e-mail, on the simple grounds that I don't agree
with what you've said. That alone is the condition upon which claims of
dishonesty are based in Warsie circles, and you bear witness to the fact
that it's a scourge descending on the rest of the Vs. Community as well.

> You claim victory when someone insults you (and some times not even then)
> regardless of the facts of the debate.

See, here ya go . . . were I a Warsie, I'd simply call you a liar. As it
stands, actually, I still more or less agree with the "liar" assessment.

At no point do I make or defend a claim which is not backed up by the
facts. To assert that I claim victory regardless of the facts is directly
opposed to everything I have done.

I think you've listened to the Warsie slanders of me so much that you read
my messages just to find what they've said . . . they're anti-Darkstar
campaign of lies has colored your viewpoint.

Hopefully, this situation can be repaired. If not, I'll simply write you
off as quickly and easily as I've written off others who can't separate
fact from fiction, truth from lies, or reality from fantasy.

> Your "fan base" at SB.com is made up of 3, maybe 4 people who are
> generally considered the WORST ST vs SW debaters on the site.

Huh . . . I didn't even know I had a fan base.

> On behalf of the rationale trekkies out there, please stop.

It is on behalf of the Rational Trekkers out there that I continue.

> Oh, I INSIST that you post this in your feedback section.

That depends on you. Shall we open a constructive dialog, or keep
flinging turds back and forth?

To paraphrase Sisko:

"Don't you see? This is exactly what the Warsies want. Alyeska against
Darkstar. Darkstar against O'Farrel. The more we fight each other, the
weaker we'll get, and the less chance we'll have against the Warsies."

Let's be frank. Right now, I don't like you. You don't like me. But
there's still an opportunity here for dialog. Dammit, we've both watched
Star Trek enough that *that* lesson should've sunk in. I'm not asking you
to be my friend or defend my arguments. But you know as well as I do that
I make some damn fine points. And, for good or ill, I can be one
tenacious SOB . . . though I can keep it in check when necessary.

Look at the Vs. Community as it now exists. Warsies always come to the
aid of other Warsies, flinging their BS all around and sucking each other
off when they're done. How else do you think Poe has lasted this long?
I'm not suggesting we use BS or engage in fellatio, but has it not
occurred to you that where there's no solidarity there is weakness? They
have numbers *and* solidarity. That's how they can yell down opposition,
and get away with never changing their tune (except for the worse).

I'll continue the fight with or without you. Frankly, I'd rather help
create some solidarity. If, on the other hand, the only way you think
there can be solidarity is if you suck up to the Warsies and help try to
shoot me down, the call is yours, but you're only weakening yourself in
the process. You'll be one of the next ones . . . and there won't be
anyone to speak for you.

G2k

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-01 09:18pm

Oh my God...

Does he really think this? Seriously, can he possibly be that stupid?

data_link · Post by **data_link** » 2002-12-01 09:18pm

I wish that the freedom of religion covered murder - then I could kill DarkStar in the name of the CotW.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 09:19pm

data_link wrote:I wish that the freedom of religion covered murder - then I could kill DarkStar in the name of the CotW.

I was physically repulsed when reading that bullshit.

MAy I kill him now?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 09:21pm

You gotta admit as BAD as that is, he can be quite the smooth talker when he wants to be. That is the real disturbing thing about the entire E-mail exchange. He is very "charismatic" and can sway people with relative ease who would otherwise be rationale beings.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-01 09:25pm

Fuck. Why can't bounty hunting be legal like it is in Star Wars? I bet we can easily put enough money together to hire someone to kill that turd.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 09:27pm

Alyeska wrote:You gotta admit as BAD as that is, he can be quite the smooth talker when he wants to be. That is the real disturbing thing about the entire E-mail exchange. He is very "charismatic" and can sway people with relative ease who would otherwise be rationale beings.

I don't see him as being particularly charismatic. Only people who want to believe him are in the least bit convinced. Everyone else just thinks he's the stupidest person whose work they've read.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 09:28pm

aerius wrote:Fuck. Why can't bounty hunting be legal like it is in Star Wars? I bet we can easily put enough money together to hire someone to kill that turd.

Then you turn him into a martyr and make him more powerful then you can possibly imagine

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 09:29pm

Most SD.NEt people tend to bypass his language and attack his suject matter, which is, more often than not, shite.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 09:30pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Alyeska wrote:You gotta admit as BAD as that is, he can be quite the smooth talker when he wants to be. That is the real disturbing thing about the entire E-mail exchange. He is very "charismatic" and can sway people with relative ease who would otherwise be rationale beings.
I don't see him as being particularly charismatic. Only people who want to believe him are in the least bit convinced. Everyone else just thinks he's the stupidest person whose work they've read.

Oh come now. Even when I saw his first information posts at SB I thought they were pretty good. He wraps up his BS in such fine packaging that you hardly notice the smell unless your really searching for it.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 09:32pm

Incidentally, note the extraordinary double standard he applies to his detractors and benefactors. Here he dismisses someone in part because of their poor grammatical skills (and screaming):

Comment: TREK WINNING WARS??? GIMME A BREAK!!!
A SOVEREIGN CLASS SHIPS WITH MAX TORP LOADS CAN TRY TO BLAST THE HELL OUT OF AN ISD UNTIL IT'S DILITHIUM RUNS DRY AND THE ISD WILL STILL BE THERE TO FINISH IT AT THE END WITH A COUPLE OF TL SHOTS.

(Everyone's entitled to an opinion, I guess. Though, personally, I don't find it necessary to SCREAM mine in "Horrible Grammar" mode.)

But here he ignores amazingly poor grammatical ability, which is clearly far worse than that of his earlier detractor:

Comment: Very well!!!!!
Surprisingly I made some of your conclusions as well. Without even seeing your page!!
I mean Wongs site is joke; for instance (thats my favourite)
This insists that the cloaking device if the Empire must work in another way, we also have that in the ST Universe, for instance the Kazon, who use a different kind of cloaking device, wich was easily detected by the Voyager (VOY: State of Flux)
So why to hell does he think they can detect that?
Wongs site goes on and on with this.
I find your site a lot better, you go strictly from cannon, while he interprates the facts mostly (see above)
Congratulations, and live long and prosper
------
PS: I like SW too

He continues this pattern here, as well. This time he goes so far as to praise the grammatically challenged benefactor's comments:

Again, I think you are superior to Wong, whos tactics are clearly to bash and to attack the people personally that have any ohter opinions. I am glad you biult this site up!!! Keep Going.
Wong must fear you...

(Not only was this some of the best feedback, but it was also my chance to learn from the author that the discussion is going strong in Germany, too. And at that forum, no one attacks anyone else. Seems that German engineering has found a better way once again.)

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-01 09:34pm

Oh my GOD!

No one can possibly be this stupid. Please! Call Dr. Kevorkian!