long day (protests)

[Skelron]

[And about the Liberal Arts classes. It is a fact that most anti-war protestors hail to a liberal arts major. And, it is also a fact that liberal arts majors do not require the studying and time that it takes for science and math based classes. Sure, some might be hard, but, the vast majority aren't as difficult or as time consuming as the average engineering class. So, yes, you are reading into that too much, lol .

okay Feeling a little Stupid now, Sorry.

[haas mark]

The protesters bothered our class yesterday as they came into the building my Calc class was being held and started chanting, beating drums, and playing tamborines... boy was that annoying. on top of that, now more than ever there's chalk graffiti all over...

They didn't disturb our Russian class, but there were apparently SWAT teams and FBI and such. As for how many profs went to the protest.. I don't know.. I think I might stop by next week's rally, though.

[Cal Wright]

If you were brave enough to be a serious hippy war protestor in my city, you'd be fucked three ways from sunday by nightfall. First off, all up on my city is Redstone Arsenal. That accounts for the students in about three of the five high schools. Also, major buisness (as I recieve since one of the gates leads to were I work, and those army boys LOVE bikes). There's the Marshal Space Flight Center, and tons of engineers and other like nerd people. This of course is the source of income for the most part and the turn around buisness for the workin' folks much like myself. So suffice to say, I haven't even seen a poster against the war here. We might not be all gun ho about things like this, but we back our military boys something fierce.

[Darth Wong]

what is considered a liberal art?

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

1. A typical major assignment is an essay, in which you can actually "prove" things by simply quoting people rather than performing experiments and calculations.
2. You think calculus is something you scrape off your teeth.
3. While the real students are running between classes and labs, you stroll through idyllic green fields pondering the mysteries of existence.
4. You read novels as "homework".
5. You think matrices have something to do with Keanu Reeves.
6. The entrance requirements for your field of study involved the ability to sign your name and ... that's it.
7. It's almost impossible to flunk out. Strangely enough, you still believe your degree will hold real meaning despite this fact.
8. When someone asks "if a tree falls in the forest and nobody hears, does it make a sound", you actually think a good argument can be made for either side.
9. Most of your knowledge of science comes from watching Star Trek. As a result, you were recently hauled out of the local bank branch after screaming that it must be possible to create a "quantum fissure in the interest rate" on your credit-card debt and attempting to apply a Vulcan nerve pinch to the teller.
10. You think Marxism makes sense. Of course, when you're not busy fighting for the oppressed proletariat, you look down on factory workers because they aren't enlightened like you are.
11. There's a group of engineering students who sit in the back, crack jokes all the time, keep saying that it's nice to take a break from the real work, and walk out with good marks even though they skip half the classes.
12. You're not exactly sure what you'll do with your degree once you get it.
13. There are lively debates in your class about most subjects, which usually end without any kind of clear resolution. Oddly enough, everyone agrees that this is actually the best outcome.
14. You believe it's "arrogant" to think there's an absolute right or wrong answer to any question (corrollary to previous item).
15. When you hear the words "practical", "realistic", "logical", and "objective", you translate them into "close-minded".

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

[Stuart Mackey]

I am going to a PRO-America rally in Charleston SC on March 22 they expect about 10,000 people..

Ahh, so any one who is Anti must be anti American?

[Cal Wright]

what is considered a liberal art?

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

1. A typical major assignment is an essay, in which you can actually "prove" things by simply quoting people rather than performing experiments and calculations.

Correction. Easy A.

[*]You think calculus is something you scrape off your teeth.

Uhm, I thought it was the stuff on your fingernails.

[*]While the real students are running between classes and labs, you stroll through idyllic green fields pondering the mysteries of existence.

No, no. I know why I exist. I use this time to ponder how to control the poor smucks who are running around like little lab rats in a maze. Heh.

[*]You read novels as "homework".

What is this, 'Homework'?

[*]You think matrices have something to do with Keanu Reeves.

Err, wrong again. Everyone knows matrices are what you sleep on.

[*]The entrance requirements for your field of study involved the ability to sign your name and ... that's it.

Where was I supposed to write that at?

[*]There's a group of engineering students who sit in the back, crack jokes all the time, keep saying that it's nice to take a break from the real work, and walk out with good marks even though they skip half the classes.

Hey, if I'm there past 10 mins, that counts towards attendance pal.

[*]You're not exactly sure what you'll do with your degree once you get it.

It's paper. I draw on it.

[*]There are lively debates in your class about most subjects, which usually end without any kind of clear resolution. Oddly enough, everyone agrees that this is actually the best outcome.

It's called harmony. Get some!

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

You must be. That was too damned easy. And here I thought you were a smart guy. LoL.

[Utsanomiko]

Way too true, Wong. Good gravy, that is too true. If the classes and assignments weren't such worthless nonsense, I might actually like writing, literature, and film classes, or sociology.

I'm starting to wonder why the hell game developers require such a poor, uneducational BA for design jobs that have nothing to do with the subject. I'd think just getting a degree Fullsail, showing some work with a reume, and they'd let you in at the bottom level. Liberal Arts is *so* not a higher education from highschool. Or maybe I'm just tired, as well.

[Enforcer Talen]

heh, cool. the principal came over and congrats me for my work - I put up 75 posters over 2 hrs, and debated everyone I could find. he is pleased that I gave an alternate view on the iraq issue. . . and the parade was fun too.

I generally dont find the people who disagree with me idiots - they had some very good points as well. and such a lovely fashion sense - anyone who can pull off wearing tyedye deserves respect.

of course, some pro peace people are idiots, just like some pro war types are. for example in gym class today, a freshman told me the entire war was about the oil, that iraq had 40% of the world's supply, and that we should just assassinate saddam.

[Nathan F]

If you were brave enough to be a serious hippy war protestor in my city, you'd be fucked three ways from sunday by nightfall. First off, all up on my city is Redstone Arsenal. That accounts for the students in about three of the five high schools. Also, major buisness (as I recieve since one of the gates leads to were I work, and those army boys LOVE bikes). There's the Marshal Space Flight Center, and tons of engineers and other like nerd people. This of course is the source of income for the most part and the turn around buisness for the workin' folks much like myself. So suffice to say, I haven't even seen a poster against the war here. We might not be all gun ho about things like this, but we back our military boys something fierce.

Heheh, Huntsville, ey? Nice liberal town...

lol, I have been there many times, the Space Center is kick-arse.

[Nathan F]

what is considered a liberal art?

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

1. A typical major assignment is an essay, in which you can actually "prove" things by simply quoting people rather than performing experiments and calculations.
2. You think calculus is something you scrape off your teeth.
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LMAO!!!!

Mike, I do believe that Engineering is the one thing me and you can truly agree on...

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

Is it true that a bunch of High School kids skipped school on Wednesday to protest the war? I read it off of the front cover of a USA Today paper. I'm sure half of them don't even understand the situation.

[Enforcer Talen]

yep. I skipped to protest them.

[Sriad]

Some of my favorite chants/signs from the protest at my campus:
"Bush is a moron, don't let him get his war on"
"Stop mad cowboy disease"

I was marching against the war because I feel it's absolutly a "Wag the Dog" situation, fighting a war abroad to distract people from the incompetence at home. And the fact that he's the president-appointee.

A question: if communism (economy managed by the government) works so poorly, why do so many people think that war, which is basically the government deciding to use scads of labor to destroy shit, helps the economy? I mean, it's not like the jobs created make anything USEFUL, just more weapons and bombs and dumb junk like that, funded by the money that taxpayers are making in their REAL JOBS making stuff that people can actually use. I admit my economic grounding isn't very firm, but this seems...dumb.

[Enforcer Talen]

a job is a job -shrugs-

it's producing things that are designed to break or explode messily. that needs replacements.

[Enforcer Talen]

damn. my legs are sore - spent all day standing up and placing posters.

Ive been seeing a lot of pro peace signs going up over the last few days, and I heard they were having a major rally today. so I printed off 20 comments on why the war might be a good idea, and after a few hrs yesterday of getting permission, I was able to post them.

It was rather odd at 8:30 this morning, I will say. the main hall was possessed by the retro hippies, who were playing music and putting up huge, huge posters on why peace is a good thing. I agree with a lot of what they say - the rest I regard as shortsighted.

so for the first 90 mins of the day, I walk through silent halls, well away from the main protest, putting up posters next to theirs. these are the first posters supporting the war at my school, and I couldnt find my buddy who said he would help. as well, there were some 20 protesters, and I started feeling a little isolted.

as the second block ended tho, I started getting comments. people laughing at my dry comments on the posters, people asking if I was pro and shaking my hand when I said yes. my ego was restored.

so I see my friend, he shows me his poster, and we print off some copies, place them everywhere. then, as we are by the band room, we are struck by inspiration.

in the main hall, the retrohippies are still playing lulling music, talking peace, saying war is bad. and then, ten times louder then their music, a drum beat of thunderous proportions, like out of lord of the rings. .. drums out of the deep.

and around a corner comes a guy who looks like jesus with a feather in a hat, a huge drum in front of him with the bold label WAR DRUM. behind him, four people in black with long hair, wearing 10-15 pro war logos - with some people filing behind in curiousity.

we did it twice ^_^ stopped all convo in the mainhall. bwhah.

after that, my friend had to go to class, so I found someone else, and we put up a bunch more posters. then there was a debate, which I caught the tail end of - I have a feeling a bunch of facts on both sides were made up or gossip. then lunch, another debate. I spent both in the audience, persuading my neighbor that war was a good thing. after the debate, I took 45 min to chat with a fem who supported peace. good convo.

after that, I just walked the halls - iraq was the main topic. good points on all sides, much more interesting then the media. I also found spoofs of my posters. very amusing.

so, how did the protests do in your area? Im told they were pretty wide spread.

the man with the plan: http://www.speedis.org/images/86857.jpg
or, more particularly, the main drummer in the parade.

[Coyote]

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

...(list)...

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

And of course-- The number one phrase you need to know for success in business is, "Would you like some fries with that, sir?"

[Darth Yoshi]

Is it true that a bunch of High School kids skipped school on Wednesday to protest the war? I read it off of the front cover of a USA Today paper. I'm sure half of them don't even understand the situation.

Yes. Half of my Epic & Myth class was gone, although I have serious misgivings about how many actually went to the protest. I stayed in class.

[Sriad]

a job is a job -shrugs-

it's producing things that are designed to break or explode messily. that needs replacements.

Well yea, they're doing work, but my caveat is that the work being done doesn't feed anything back into the economy, it just takes man power and makes...stuff. Not like making a highway or a car or computer or a dam. I guess that when your economy is big enough to soak the loss then it can help money to flow more freely, but it seemscounter productive...

Oh well. I think that war is pretty much unavoidable at this point unless Saddam steps down or is assasinated, but it's a shame that we can't bring ourselves to address this sort of problem fifteen or twenty years before it gets this big.

[Enforcer Talen]

hind sight, eh?

[Nathan F]

Talen, would you mind posting up your reasons here? Have been considering putting up some posters around my campus. Also, I have been thinking about writing a letter to the school newspaper, which usually prints alot of pro-war letters, and any input on that would be GREATLY appreciated.

[weemadando]

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

...(list)...

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

And of course-- The number one phrase you need to know for success in business is, "Would you like some fries with that, sir?"

Care to tell me the last time an engineer was the leader of a nation?

[Vympel]

Arts was frigging easy, I must admit. I did choose it as break from the law work, that's for sure.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

...(list)...

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

And of course-- The number one phrase you need to know for success in business is, "Would you like some fries with that, sir?"

The sad thing is that before Postmodernism the Liberal Arts actually used to be worth something.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Clues that you're in a liberal-arts class:

...(list)...

I'm sure I could think of more, but I'm getting tired.

And of course-- The number one phrase you need to know for success in business is, "Would you like some fries with that, sir?"

Care to tell me the last time an engineer was the leader of a nation?

We haven't had a Professor since Woodrow Wilson, and look what he did. Lawyers run countries for the most part.

[Steve]

Hey, I liked Woody Wilson!