Wiggers are pussies

[revprez]

I wish I could understand what drives these kids to pretend that they're ghetto youth-gang members. Are those the people that they look up to? Do they wish they were real ghetto youth-gang members, complete with drug-addict moms, abusive dads, and no future?

Some of the crazy ones do, but they're a very small minority. As much as I can't stand the guy, Michael Eric Dyson makes a credible case for the expansion of hip hop culture out of the urban scene. Personally, I don't think the mainstream adoption of the hip hop style is necessary a bad thing; it's done wonders for music and fashion.

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[Darth Mall]

Bah I hate wiggers
The worst ones at my school have fricking diamond earings (one in each ear) and pretend to be poor assed ghettoites. They think there so damned cool with their diamond earings that make them look like girls.
I've found that many wiggers are the ones that are big into playing football, etc.

[revprez]

Bah I hate wiggers
The worst ones at my school have fricking diamond earings (one in each ear) and pretend to be poor assed ghettoites. They think there so damned cool with their diamond earings that make them look like girls.
I've found that many wiggers are the ones that are big into playing football, etc.

I sense a deep seated hostility towards the so-called "in crowd." What's it rooted in?

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[Defiant]

I think that these "wiggers" (never heard that one before) seem to have the best of both worlds. I'll bet that most of them come from upper-middle-class to upper-class families, but they must find that life boring. So, to throw in some excitement, they adopt a culture and lifestyle from what they consider to be a lower class.

This is not necessarily too bad, but like anything else, they seem to take it too far. I guess they think that they can have the best of both worlds. I wonder how they would feel if they woke up one morning, and discovered that their skin color had changed and that they're now black. Look up the movie "The Watermelon Man" which shows this happening to a white man. Very amusing.

[revprez]

I think that these "wiggers" (never heard that one before) seem to have the best of both worlds. I'll bet that most of them come from upper-middle-class to upper-class families, but they must find that life boring. So, to throw in some excitement, they adopt a culture and lifestyle from what they consider to be a lower class.

That's not necessarily the appeal of the "hip hop culture," though I imagine it plays some part. Urban experience is quite different from theirs. But what about the good number of white kids who live in working class inner city neighborhoods like Queens, NYC? Are they simply biting somebody else's lifestyle?

This is not necessarily too bad, but like anything else, they seem to take it too far.

I don't exactly see this. There are of course the easiest to parody cases, and then there are those guys that beat down your friend there. But c'mon, bullies are bullies in any culture.

I guess they think that they can have the best of both worlds. I wonder how they would feel if they woke up one morning, and discovered that their skin color had changed and that they're now black. Look up the movie "The Watermelon Man" which shows this happening to a white man. Very amusing.

There's also that movie with John Travolta and Harry Belafonte; it's kinda preachy but interesting to watch. Still, I wouldn't mind if hip hop music and style became the cultural staple of broader America.

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[aerius]

Apparently they think they'll be rich, cool and get lots of ho's like Puff Daddy or Eminem. Problem is for every Puff Daddy that makes it big, countless millions of worthless ghetto scumbags get shot in the streets or end up in homeless shelters.

Being one of those countless, worthleess ghetto scumbags, I can assure you that this characterization is remarkably off base.

Oh I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten drug dealing, pimping, prostitution, theft, mugging little old ladies, public drunkeness, and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Does that about cover it or did I miss something?

[revprez]

Oh I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten drug dealing, pimping, prostitution, theft, mugging little old ladies, public drunkeness, and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Does that about cover it or did I miss something?

If you have any proof, I'd love to see it.

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[Setzer]

Wait a second, Rey Prez has a derogatory custom title after less than 200 posts? I gotta hang out in SLAM more.
This is rich. Personnaly, I just hate the way wigger-talk sounds. And has anyone ever heard the words Woman, Lady, or Ma'am in a Rap song? No, it's all Bitch this and Ho that. Try that with a woman in real life and see how far you get.

[revprez]

Wait a second, Rey Prez has a derogatory custom title after less than 200 posts?

Yeah, been working overtime.

I gotta hang out in SLAM more.

I was surprised it didn't happen over the row in News & Politics

This is rich. Personnaly, I just hate the way wigger-talk sounds. And has anyone ever heard the words Woman, Lady, or Ma'am in a Rap song? No, it's all Bitch this and Ho that. Try that with a woman in real life and see how far you get.

You might want to survey the music out there before making this claim. Granted, the most prominent emcees tend to lace their lyrics with misogynistic, violent underpinnings. They also tend to embed a subtle (and often lost) subtext railing against the ill treatment of women (the plight of Black women has long been subject material for artists) and the plague of crime inner city. For the most part, it's exagerated and hardly representative of the art as a whole (after all, how violent and mysognistic can b-boying and turntablism be?). My main beef with the music as it is is not the stereotypically base image, but it's the very real leftist views that the majority of the hip hop community holds. On the other hand, hip hop music is no more or less varied than any other genre.

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[aerius]

If you have any proof, I'd love to see it.

Oops! I seem to have forgotten cop killing and drive-by shootings. The proof is as close as your nearest ghetto or inner city slum. I suggest taking a walk through one someday, preferably at night.

[revprez]

Oops! I seem to have forgotten cop killing and drive-by shootings. The proof is as close as your nearest ghetto or inner city slum. I suggest taking a walk through one someday, preferably at night.

I used to live in one. So where's the proof?

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[aerius]

I used to live in one. So where's the proof?

So you claim that in all the time you lived in one you never saw or heard of any shootings, muggings, drug dealing, weapons offences, prostitution, assaults, gang related violence, gang related activites, or any of that stuff?

[revprez]

So you claim that in all the time you lived in one you never saw or heard of any shootings, muggings, drug dealing, weapons offences, prostitution, assaults, gang related violence, gang related activites, or any of that stuff?

Oh, I've seen and heard of all those. I've seen them here at MIT, as well. Is there higher incidence of crime in Corona, Queens than Cambridge? No doubt. Is it the norm of life in either? Well, that's what you're claiming when it comes to the hood. So, prove it.

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[haas mark]

Oops! I seem to have forgotten cop killing and drive-by shootings. The proof is as close as your nearest ghetto or inner city slum. I suggest taking a walk through one someday, preferably at night.

I used to live in one. So where's the proof?

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How about those of us that have lived in several?

~ver

[revprez]

How about those of us that have lived in several?

Just out of curiousity, where?

And once again, where's the proof?

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[haas mark]

How about those of us that have lived in several?

Just out of curiousity, where?

And once again, where's the proof?

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Albuquerque, New Mexico; Roswell, New Mexico; Norfolk, Virginia (in three different places therein, at that); Lawton, Oklahoma; Los Lunas, New Mexico. Just because they are small town doesn't mean jack shit. They can still be violent places.

What proof do you need? Numbers? Not like you're going to accept them, anyways..

~ver

[revprez]

Albuquerque, New Mexico; Roswell, New Mexico; Norfolk, Virginia (in three different places therein, at that); Lawton, Oklahoma; Los Lunas, New Mexico. Just because they are small town doesn't mean jack shit. They can still be violent places.

That's true.

[quotepWhat proof do you need? Numbers? Not like you're going to accept them, anyways..[/quote]

Try me, I might surprise you. But I'm specifically trying to nail down the accuracy of the other poster's characterization of inner city life.

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[haas mark]

What proof do you need? Numbers? Not like you're going to accept them, anyways..

Try me, I might surprise you. But I'm specifically trying to nail down the accuracy of the other poster's characterization of inner city life.

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In other words, you are looking for the intangible, and unprovable. I can easily say that, given many videos on inner city life, and plenty of experience on my own, that that characterization is off, but not by far.

~ver

[revprez]

In other words, you are looking for the intangible, and unprovable.

No, I'm quite sure we can come up with some test that would satisfy the both of us. I'm not even asking you to go out and conduct extensive surveys of inner city and suburban residents gauging how they perceive life in their cities. That's why I asked a very simple question. Is crime and violence a norm in the lives in inner city residents? We can look at the crime data and see readily that cities have higher incidences of crimes than suburbs, but is the difference so high that criminal activity becomes a social norm?

I can easily say that, given many videos on inner city life, and plenty of experience on my own, that that characterization is off, but not by far.

Well, that's your experience.

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[haas mark]

No, I'm quite sure we can come up with some test that would satisfy the both of us. I'm not even asking you to go out and conduct extensive surveys of inner city and suburban residents gauging how they perceive life in their cities. That's why I asked a very simple question. Is crime and violence a norm in the lives in inner city residents?

I dunno about the residents themselves, because that's a qualitative quantifier that cannot be measured. As for inner city residential areas, yes, it seems to be about the norm, expecially in large cities.

We can look at the crime data and see readily that cities have higher incidences of crimes than suburbs, but is the difference so high that criminal activity becomes a social norm?

Inner city = suburb, in many cases.

I can easily say that, given many videos on inner city life, and plenty of experience on my own, that that characterization is off, but not by far.

Well, that's your experience.

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Which is apparently more than your own. I guess I have more authority on the matter, huh?

~ver

[revprez]

I dunno about the residents themselves, because that's a qualitative quantifier that cannot be measured.

I'm not so sure. In managerial science lab my group came up with metrics to measure confidence in security on campus.

As for inner city residential areas, yes, it seems to be about the norm, expecially in large cities.

Seriously, and I'm not being facetious now. I would definitely like to see some research on this question. "Social dilapidation in the inner cities, 1979-199" or something like that.

Inner city = suburb, in many cases.

Well, there's an interesting project for an intrepid poster.

Which is apparently more than your own. I guess I have more authority on the matter, huh?

I doubt it, really. If your experience tracked with mine--if you'd spent your life hopping around major cities--I might reconsider. I've spent most of my life in Queens, New York. We have dozens of inner city communities to choose from just in that area. And then I get five other borroughs to play with. Since I'm feeliing so generous today, I'll call it a draw.

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[LadyTevar]

Oh I'm sorry, I seem to have forgotten drug dealing, pimping, prostitution, theft, mugging little old ladies, public drunkeness, and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Does that about cover it or did I miss something?

If you have any proof, I'd love to see it.

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Come visit my home, so you can listen to them dealing drugs outside my window.

All of the culprits are young African Americans with their blingbling and pants hanging off their arse billowing around their ankles and Nikes.

Makes you wonder how they run from the cops without tripping, falling, or mooning everyone.

[aerius]

I've spent most of my life in Queens, New York. We have dozens of inner city communities to choose from just in that area. And then I get five other borroughs to play with. Since I'm feeliing so generous today, I'll call it a draw.

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Why does the line (roughly paraphrased from "Fresh Prince") "I'm from the southside Beverly Hills. It's bad man!" suddenly come to mind.

Oh and BTW, you're welcome to visit the government subsidized housing a couple blocks from my home to watch the drug deals & other crimes go down.

[revprez]

Come visit my home, so you can listen to them dealing drugs outside my window.

All of the culprits are young African Americans with their blingbling and pants hanging off their arse billowing around their ankles and Nikes.

Makes you wonder how they run from the cops without tripping, falling, or mooning everyone.

So from that you extrapolate that inner cities are just cess pools filled with Black Americans who generally engage in "drug dealing, pimping, prostitution, theft, mugging little old ladies, public drunkeness, and generally making a nuisance of themselves."

I'm honored.

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[LadyTevar]

I've spent most of my life in Queens, New York. We have dozens of inner city communities to choose from just in that area. And then I get five other borroughs to play with. Since I'm feeliing so generous today, I'll call it a draw.

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Why does the line (roughly paraphrased from "Fresh Prince") "I'm from the southside Beverly Hills. It's bad man!" suddenly come to mind.

*snickers* I was thinking the same thing, Aerius.

Hell, I have to keep the basement door locked to keep the drunks out, there's shots fired nearby every weekend, and I'm not even in the worst area of town here! The sidewalk by my house is a regular freeway for drunks and druggies, I've leaned out the kitchen window and told people to 'take your business elsewhere, cause I don't wanna see it in my backyard, dammit' (and they said yes ma'am and left, surprisingly), and occassionally I get some drunk that breaks into the basement to sleep things off. Even worse, back before SirNitram moved in, a junkie broke in downstairs, got into a fight with my water heater, and knocked the gas line off of it. If it wasn't for friends visiting who'd heard him downstairs and then helped me catch the cats and get out, I could have died!

So don't tell me about Ghettos and sterotypes, ok?