"Petals around the Roses" - Can you figure it out?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2004-05-27 07:06pm

On the first try I knew the basics and on the second try I could get it right everytime. Not a huge accomplishment, but hey.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-05-27 07:34pm

A dot in the center of a die is not a rose, it is a fucking dot. Likewise, dots around a cneter dot are not "petals," they're fucking dots.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-05-27 07:39pm

Andrew J. wrote:A dot in the center of a die is not a rose, it is a fucking dot. Likewise, dots around a cneter dot are not "petals," they're fucking dots.

Not much into the metaphorical?

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-05-27 07:46pm

Dalton wrote:
Andrew J. wrote:A dot in the center of a die is not a rose, it is a fucking dot. Likewise, dots around a cneter dot are not "petals," they're fucking dots.
Not much into the metaphorical?

Not if the metaphors don't make any damn sense.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-05-27 07:56pm

I second that. That's just not how I think.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2004-05-27 08:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I second that. That's just not how I think.

Good lord, I'm agreeing with Spanky. I need a drink.

Post by **Dalton** » 2004-05-27 08:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I second that. That's just not how I think.

And that...is why you fail

</yoda>

AnimeJet · Post by **AnimeJet** » 2004-05-27 09:31pm

I almost had it (i was couting dots around the sides and what not already), but then someone in the chat blurted the answer, so .. *sigh*

Phantasee · Post by **Phantasee** » 2004-05-27 09:45pm

AnimeJet wrote:I almost had it (i was couting dots around the sides and what not already), but then someone in the chat blurted the answer, so .. *sigh*

Sorry.

And I got it fairly quickly. 7, 8 tries. Feel a little stupid for taking so long though. At least I didn't take a half hour.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-05-27 10:29pm

I tried for 15 fucking minutes and didn't get it at all. What a fucking crock of fucking shit.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-05-27 10:30pm

Blah.. I used a complex system of elimination working from the middle die outwards. But it works. Sheesh.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2004-05-27 10:33pm

Got it after three tries and about 1 minute. My mind moves in strange directions...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2004-05-27 10:48pm

Well, I'm obviously not a visual thinker, then.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-05-27 11:22pm

You know what really pissed me off about it? It wasn't the fact I couldn't solve the puzzle, which was only mildly irritating.

It was the fact that everywhere I went when I tried googling for info on the game had every motherfucker go "I know the answer, but I'm not going to tell you! Ha-ha." That just pissed me off.

Temjin · Post by **Temjin** » 2004-05-27 11:34pm

Phantasee wrote:And I got it fairly quickly. 7, 8 tries. Feel a little stupid for taking so long though. At least I didn't take a half hour.

Who asked for your opinion!

But what really pissed me off about this game was not the game it's self, or the 45 minutes I spent on it (well, maybe that does figure into it), but how everyone was saying that it was so goddamn easy and the they got it on the third try or so.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-05-28 12:28am

This will probably go down as one of the worst recieved logic games ever on the board.

Dannyalcatraz · Post by **Dannyalcatraz** » 2004-05-28 04:32am

Got it immediately. Simple metaphor, simple game.

LapsedPacifist · Post by **LapsedPacifist** » 2004-05-28 12:07pm

I got it right off, but I'm certain that I had seen it before. Probably in one of those waste-of-time tag classes or some shit.

LP

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-05-28 03:57pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:This will probably go down as one of the worst recieved logic games ever on the board.

Nah. I thought is was quick and cute. If you want a BAD logic puzzle, I can tell you about the island where blue-eyed people kill themselves. Now, THAT is an annoying logic puzzle.

It might be too much of a hint, but it was popular among Computer Science majors because you have to look at the situation as a recursive function to solve it.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2004-05-28 04:40pm

Got it immediately.

Post by **Zaia** » 2004-05-28 06:03pm

Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Nah. I thought is was quick and cute. If you want a BAD logic puzzle, I can tell you about the island where blue-eyed people kill themselves. Now, THAT is an annoying logic puzzle.

It might be too much of a hint, but it was popular among Computer Science majors because you have to look at the situation as a recursive function to solve it.

Oooh, tell! Tell!!

WacoKid · Post by **WacoKid** » 2004-05-29 08:09pm

Bah. Silly game. I am more mathematical, and was looking for numbers till somebody said not to. Then I had a similar idea to the actual solution, but was still counting fours and such. Oh well.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-05-30 12:19am

Zaia wrote:
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:Nah. I thought is was quick and cute. If you want a BAD logic puzzle, I can tell you about the island where blue-eyed people kill themselves. Now, THAT is an annoying logic puzzle.

It might be too much of a hint, but it was popular among Computer Science majors because you have to look at the situation as a recursive function to solve it.
Oooh, tell! Tell!!

Okay, here it goes.
WARNING!
Now, if you get offended by people in logic puzzles acting logically and not rationally, you're really going to hate this.

Somewhere out on the ocean, there is an Island of people who don't speak. They don't talk to each other, nod to each other, write, read or use any kind of body language (everyone always assumes it's the body language).
On this island, it is a terrible sin to have blue eyes. No one will tell you if you have blue eyes (or flinch or react in any noticeable way), but if you ever find out that you have blue eyes, you are required to kill yourself. No exceptions. Every person who finds out that they have blue eyes kills himself or herself.

There are no mirrors on this island and no clean reflective pools.

Every night, the entire island population gathers together for a large campfire. Everyone sees everyone else.
They know how many people are on this island and they can all count and use amazing deductive reasoning. They all use logic, even if they are being irrational.

One day a sailor with blue eyes comes ashore. Before the natives get rid of him, he tells them "At least I'm not the only one here with blue eyes." The islanders know that the sailor is telling the truth.
Indeed, there are ten islanders with blue eyes.

Counting the night after the sailor's revelation as the first night, all ten blue-eyes kill themselves on the 10th night. Not the 9th or 11th. The tenth.

Now, the question is: How did they know they had blue eyes, and why did they take them ten days to realize it?

Here's a hint (not a good one):

Consider it a recursive problem. If there were three blue-eyes, they kill themselves in three nights. Same questions apply.
If there were only one blue-eye, what would happen? Would he figure it out? How?
How would the logic change for 2 blue-eyed people or more?
Keep in mind that the rules are important and all the clues are there.

Bob the Gunslinger · Post by **Bob the Gunslinger** » 2004-05-30 12:26am

Maybe I should have put the puzzle as a new topic... Oh well.

Dannyalcatraz · Post by **Dannyalcatraz** » 2004-05-30 01:19am

There are 10 islanders with blue eyes-and only 10 islanders. Each knows that the 9 other Islanders have blue eyes. The sailor never mentions any other eye color besides blue. His not mentioning that there was someone with another eye color implies that there is no other eye color to mention-it is logical that someone's uniqueness would be mentioned. It took them 10 days to starve themselves to death.