Ever been in a fight??

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 03:37am

When I was in fifth form, some twat pushed me against a wall, not hard as I was and am a skinny bugger, but I kicked him in the knackers which solved that problem.
Aside from that I avoided real fighting, which was a good thing as I did not know how to fight at school and I was a weak skinny geek. At varsity I learnt to fight and continued that training afterwards, but have fortunatly never had to use my skills as I never put myself in a situation where I have to fight.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 03:38am

Hyperion wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:None. I have a reputation as a dangerous lunatic who always carries sharp objects.
like me, triblade (custom weapon BTW), daggar (right hand draw position), pocket knife, switchblade (left side quickdraw). that's standard armaments, that doesn't get into other stuff i tend to like carrying.

Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-23 03:39am

I never started fights in school. I finished them. My middle school wasn't too pleasant, and there were fights every day. I've won my share of bareknucklers.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 03:43am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Hyperion wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:None. I have a reputation as a dangerous lunatic who always carries sharp objects.
like me, triblade (custom weapon BTW), daggar (right hand draw position), pocket knife, switchblade (left side quickdraw). that's standard armaments, that doesn't get into other stuff i tend to like carrying.
Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?

Me or him?

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 03:45am

Pcm979 wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Hyperion wrote: like me, triblade (custom weapon BTW), daggar (right hand draw position), pocket knife, switchblade (left side quickdraw). that's standard armaments, that doesn't get into other stuff i tend to like carrying.
Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?
Me or him?

Him, but since you ask, you as well? just curious.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 03:50am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote: Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?
Me or him?
Him, but since you ask, you as well? just curious.

Short answer: I don't.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 03:51am

Pcm979 wrote:snip
Short answer: I don't.

Ok

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-23 03:58am

Cyril wrote:Question. If some guy spits in my face, am I justified in dropping him?

If it were up to me, I'd return the favour. Face, meet wall. Wall, meet face.

*KRUNCH*

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-11-23 04:12am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:snip
Short answer: I don't.
Ok

Ok.

Hyperion · Post by **Hyperion** » 2002-11-23 04:32am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Hyperion wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:None. I have a reputation as a dangerous lunatic who always carries sharp objects.
like me, triblade (custom weapon BTW), daggar (right hand draw position), pocket knife, switchblade (left side quickdraw). that's standard armaments, that doesn't get into other stuff i tend to like carrying.
Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?

main one: i like weapons, and i like the feeling of being armed, i don't like guns much though.

second: it's intimidating, i'm small (5'9" @130# at most right now), i'm fast as fuck and agile, add weapons to that mix and unless you've got a gun you don't want to mess with me. also that triblade is rather impressive (or so i've been told) since it hangs partly exposed at my side.

3rd: when pissed and not in a fight (i do have anger control issues as well as severely unstable emotions/mind), i don't use weapons, i throw shit or i just plow thru things with my bare hands, even if i had a gun, i'd throw the gun at someone when i am like this.

4th: looks cool

5th: they're there if i need'em, and i know how to use'em

6th: they're weapons, they're cool and fun to carry.

and i like'em.

does that answer your question? btw, if i ended up in a battle where i didn't start it and it got the the point that i was concerned for my hide, those weapons would show up real quick.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 07:21am

Hyperion wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Hyperion wrote: like me, triblade (custom weapon BTW), daggar (right hand draw position), pocket knife, switchblade (left side quickdraw). that's standard armaments, that doesn't get into other stuff i tend to like carrying.
Just out of interest, why on earth do you carry weapons?

main one: i like weapons, and i like the feeling of being armed, i don't like guns much though.

second: it's intimidating, i'm small (5'9" @130# at most right now), i'm fast as fuck and agile, add weapons to that mix and unless you've got a gun you don't want to mess with me. also that triblade is rather impressive (or so i've been told) since it hangs partly exposed at my side.

3rd: when pissed and not in a fight (i do have anger control issues as well as severely unstable emotions/mind), i don't use weapons, i throw shit or i just plow thru things with my bare hands, even if i had a gun, i'd throw the gun at someone when i am like this.

4th: looks cool

5th: they're there if i need'em, and i know how to use'em

6th: they're weapons, they're cool and fun to carry. and i like'em.

does that answer your question? btw, if i ended up in a battle where i didn't start it and it got the the point that i was concerned for my hide, those weapons would show up real quick.

Interesting. I am a skinny bugger myself, fast and agile as well. but that is what I rely on. If you can get away with carrying fine, but here, in NZ, its a differnt matter.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-23 07:23am

How about a flexible baton? Or a nice long wire saw, to throttle your opponents with? or at least discourage them from grabbing you

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 07:27am

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How about a flexible baton? Or a nice long wire saw, to throttle your opponents with? or at least discourage them from grabbing you

How about dislocating their knee? that way you dont risk being arrested for carrying a conceled weapon {in NZ}. Besides, unless you know how to use a weapon properly, and when, having one can be a disadvantage. Its better to know good unarmed techniques, that way you draw less attention to yourself.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-11-23 07:29am

Stuart Mackey wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How about a flexible baton? Or a nice long wire saw, to throttle your opponents with? or at least discourage them from grabbing you
How about dislocating their knee? that way you dont risk being arrested for carrying a conceled weapon {in NZ}. Besides, unless you know how to use a weapon properly, and when, having one can be a disadvantage. Its better to know good unarmed techniques, that way you draw less attention to yourself.

Good point. I've always of the opinion that anything can be a weapon, especially yourself. Though a nine-millimneter would help.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2002-11-23 07:53am

Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:
Stuart Mackey wrote:
Evil Sadistic Bastard wrote:How about a flexible baton? Or a nice long wire saw, to throttle your opponents with? or at least discourage them from grabbing you
How about dislocating their knee? that way you dont risk being arrested for carrying a conceled weapon {in NZ}. Besides, unless you know how to use a weapon properly, and when, having one can be a disadvantage. Its better to know good unarmed techniques, that way you draw less attention to yourself.
Good point. I've always of the opinion that anything can be a weapon, especially yourself. Though a nine-millimneter would help.

Well sure any thing can be a weapon, but you have to know how and when to use it, and that does take training. Pistols are no different and will probably reqire more training given that its very difficult to kill another human deliberatly, but best to ask the Millitary trained types about that one. But overall even with a pistol you still need close quarters training, as you dont know what can happen in that situation, what can go wrong and how to deal with it when it does go wrong.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-11-23 10:12am

Stuart Mackey wrote: How about dislocating their knee? that way you dont risk being arrested for carrying a conceled weapon {in NZ}. Besides, unless you know how to use a weapon properly, and when, having one can be a disadvantage. Its better to know good unarmed techniques, that way you draw less attention to yourself.

Don't know about NZ, but you can still go to jail for blowing a perp's knee out in Canada unless the perp has a weapon of some sort or he's a lot bigger than you, of if you're a girl. We have something here known as "excessive force" and they can stick various assault charges on top of that even when the perp is proven to be the aggressor. Chances are with a decent lawyer you can beat the charges, but it's still a hassle and then some.

Knowing unarmed techniques is good, but one should also be familiar with weapons so as to know how they're used and how to defend against them. As for carrying weapons, I'll always have a couple knives on me, and various common tools or objects that can be used as improvised weapons. Stuff like a Maglite AA flashlight or a good steel pen can be used as effective fistloads without drawing undue attention. For more info and ideas refer to http://donrearic.com/main.html.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2002-11-23 10:22am

As for carrying weapons, I'll always have a couple knives on me, and various common tools or objects that can be used as improvised weapons.

Be weary Aerius, there are some who are skilled at using your own knife against you.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-23 04:56pm

I've never personally been in a physical attack, but I've helped to break up several. My jobs as a soccer official, a reporter, and a school teacher have all involved occasional fisticuffs. I did, once, get attacked by a player who was unhappy with my performance, but I moved off the field and behind a line of spectators before he could do anything.

Crom · Post by **Crom** » 2002-11-23 05:05pm

Thanks for the link Aerius.

CROM

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-11-23 05:18pm

aerius wrote:Don't know about NZ, but you can still go to jail for blowing a perp's knee out in Canada unless the perp has a weapon of some sort or he's a lot bigger than you, of if you're a girl. We have something here known as "excessive force" and they can stick various assault charges on top of that even when the perp is proven to be the aggressor. Chances are with a decent lawyer you can beat the charges, but it's still a hassle and then some.

It's like that down here in the States, too. When you're fighting, you have to make sure that you fight with less aggression that your opponent(s), or you'll get busted for battery. Boxers have to be even more careful, because their fists classify as lethal weapons.

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2002-11-23 07:15pm

I like this Don Rearic quote:

I’m oversimplifying to make a point. The weapon of Last Resort was the Empty Hand Skills, they were not PRIMARY and then came the weapons! Yet, that is the way Martial Arts are sold today!

Once one learns the hand motions then they'll get a better grasp of using the weapon which is an extension of the body.[/quote]

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2002-11-23 07:17pm

Another brilliant deduction by Don Rearic:

Furthermore, the Aikijujutsu on the Battlefield had a goal in mind, that was to survive until another weapon could be obtained.

No. The goal was to deprive your enemy of all power (i.e. killing him) in the most efficient way possible so that you could attack and kill another opponent.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-11-23 07:23pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:It's like that down here in the States, too. When you're fighting, you have to make sure that you fight with less aggression that your opponent(s), or you'll get busted for battery. Boxers have to be even more careful, because their fists classify as lethal weapons.

Really? I thought that the fist thing was just a myth. Where did you hear that from?

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2002-11-23 07:26pm

One more and then I'm done!

Yet, when the discussion turns to Self-defense and someone has been studying Aikido and they are promoting that as a Combat Method and you point some of these things out, they get upset. They get upset because they are trying to make their Art into something it was never intended to be. I would ask a very elemental question of anyone that demands that Aikido is an effective Art for Self-defense:

"What is more effective for Self-defense, Aikido or the Parent Art of Aikido, Daito-Ryu Aikijutsu?"

I would ask which is superior the combat style or the combatant? I believe the combatant is more than his style.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-11-23 10:59pm

Next of Kin wrote:One more and then I'm done!

Yet, when the discussion turns to Self-defense and someone has been studying Aikido and they are promoting that as a Combat Method and you point some of these things out, they get upset. They get upset because they are trying to make their Art into something it was never intended to be. I would ask a very elemental question of anyone that demands that Aikido is an effective Art for Self-defense:

"What is more effective for Self-defense, Aikido or the Parent Art of Aikido, Daito-Ryu Aikijutsu?"
I would ask which is superior the combat style or the combatant? I believe the combatant is more than his style.

I believe that for advanced level martial artists, the skill of the combatant becomes more important than the style. I can't fully define an andvanced level artist, but for starters it would be someone who's mastered and understands the style he's studying, not just the techniques, but also the philosophies and principles behind those techniques. Such an artist can understand WHY things work, and adapt and deal with opponents and styles he's not familiar with. Assuming that it's advanced practitioners we're talking about, skill will take on a greater importance than style.

However, I believe that there's few people at this level, there are many that have mastered the techniques and have the belts to prove it, but I feel there are few who truly understand the principle and finer details of their chosen art.

Without the understanding part, the practitioner is limited. It comes down to which style has better techniques for the situation at hand. For example, in a fight at grappling distance between a TKD and Judo practitioner will likely end up with the TKD guy flat on the floor, while at range the TKD guy will have the advantage. By understanding the the priciples as well as the strengths and weaknesses of their arts, both people in the above example will be more effective at all ranges, and once again it will come down to the skill of the combatants.

Then there's also the issue of the learning curve. Aikido, TKD, Karate, and most if not all of the traditional martial arts take years to master. Unless you're exceptionally gifted you're not become an effective fighter in a month, or 6 months, or even a year. One the other hand something like Krav Maga can be taught in quickly, and the student will have effective skills within a month. Put a Krav Maga student up against a Aikido student after a month and the Aikido student will get his ass ruined.

What Don Rearic leans towards is effective self-defence that can be learned without years of commitment and constant training, that is where he's coming from.