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Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 09:35pm

BTW, Alyeska, this "charismatic" guy just did insult you while simultaneously asking you to do him a favor. I would recommend that you share the message with us, but if I were DarkStar then I would have been more careful in making my comments to someone whom I needed favors from. And who is Hansen?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-01 09:36pm

I personally have never read these Darkstar vs Wong debates. Does anyone know where I can find these? Are they on the search function?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-01 09:37pm

Master of Ossus wrote:BTW, Alyeska, this "charismatic" guy just did insult you while simultaneously asking you to do him a favor. I would recommend that you share the message with us, but if I were DarkStar then I would have been more careful in making my comments to someone whom I needed favors from. And who is Hansen?

Huh? Share what message? I showed you exactly what he sent to me.

Though yes, I did notice he was insulting me while asking for my assistance at the same time.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-01 09:39pm

Shinova wrote:I personally have never read these Darkstar vs Wong debates. Does anyone know where I can find these? Are they on the search function?

If you value your sanity, don't read them. Not only will it drive you nuts it'll result in a pounding headache. With that warning out of the way, the debates can be found here. http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html

Edit: It'll also take you several hours to go through the entire thing, it's that long. Towards the end DS's messages were something like 20,000+ words long and written in the most horrible language formating imaginable.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-01 09:42pm

Alyeska wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:BTW, Alyeska, this "charismatic" guy just did insult you while simultaneously asking you to do him a favor. I would recommend that you share the message with us, but if I were DarkStar then I would have been more careful in making my comments to someone whom I needed favors from. And who is Hansen?
Huh? Share what message? I showed you exactly what he sent to me.

Though yes, I did notice he was insulting me while asking for my assistance at the same time.

No, I meant the one that he is allegedly preparing. Here's the quote. I'm italicizing the relevent section.

On the other hand, I included the feedback responses page because a little
good press never hurt. I'm also working on a message to the Versus
community which should be completed soon. I was going to request that you
or Hansen share it with the other groups, as well.

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-01 09:44pm

aerius wrote:
Shinova wrote:I personally have never read these Darkstar vs Wong debates. Does anyone know where I can find these? Are they on the search function?
If you value your sanity, don't read them. Not only will it drive you nuts it'll result in a pounding headache. With that warning out of the way, the debates can be found here. http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html

Edit: It'll also take you several hours to go through the entire thing, it's that long. Towards the end DS's messages were something like 20,000+ words long and written in the most horrible language formating imaginable.

Uh... even Wong gave up trying to comb through them. There's no point searching a haystack if all you'll find is a rusty needle.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-12-01 10:02pm

I tried to read that e-mail. I swear to false gods, I tried my hardest. Have you ever gone to one of those flashing websites which say it'll give you a siezure? And how you can't focus on one point on the page, but look at it as a whole and then turn away? I tried to read this, but as I started to read some of the more bullshittier parts my eyes just lost focus and I scrolled down some. I think if I finished the whole thing I'd be on the ground right now, writhing and my pupuile the size of Salior Moon's.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-01 10:14pm

All the feedback he gets is probably from reational people, so he makes stuff up. What an idiot.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2002-12-02 01:00am

I swear I spit coffee all over my computer screen when I read this:

"Let's be frank. Right now, I don't like you. You don't like me. But
there's still an opportunity here for dialog. Dammit, we've both watched
Star Trek enough that *that* lesson should've sunk in. "

Cue James Horner music....

Post by **Dalton** » 2002-12-02 01:54am

Man I could have done without this thread and hearing about how the jackass is doing

Killed my mood instantly. Hurts to know that so many people are still charmed by sophistry.

Post by **weemadando** » 2002-12-02 02:08am

I'm not in a good mood anymore... [initiate balrog 0.01 alpha]

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-02 02:08am

aerius wrote:Fuck. Why can't bounty hunting be legal like it is in Star Wars? I bet we can easily put enough money together to hire someone to kill that turd.

Bounty hunting its legal. At least in the United States, where Fuckstar happens to live...

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-12-02 04:44am

data_link wrote:
I love how it doesn't even occur to him that maybe the platform was actually designed to take 600 GJ shots and survive - also, why is he using Enterprise data when Paramount itself has declared it to be non-canon?

Even though I'm thrilled at the possibility.......when was this said that ENT was not canon and do you have the source?

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-02 06:33am

DarkStar wrote: > Comment: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies
> support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

You are at liberty to do so, but I have made no such claim. I do not
request or require your support.

Of course not. After all, it's all a conspiracy by those darned Warsies, isn't it?

DarkStar wrote:On my new feedback responses page, I do include a comment wherein someone
says that most support me, and I appreciated that comment. However, I
think I've made it pretty clear that public relations is neither my forte,
nor my goal. I am interested in the facts, and they are the final
arbiter.

..... And as such, must be quashed immediately.

DarkStar wrote:On the other hand, I included the feedback responses page because a little
good press never hurt. I'm also working on a message to the Versus
community which should be completed soon. I was going to request that you
or Hansen share it with the other groups, as well.

*Gasp* He was going to! That means he's tumbled to your part in the vast Warsie conspiracy!

DarkStar wrote:> I would have to say that the majority of us Trekkies at SB.com and
> SD.net aren't all that thrilled with your work. As you well should know
> I am on Wong's hate-mail page, as is Chris O'Farrell. Neither of us are
> all that impressed with your work at the moment.

Why might that be? I would like to hear your justification for that
opinion.

He either has the most selective memory known to mankind, or simply can't live without something to strawman.

DarkStar wrote:Bear in mind, though, that my opinion of you is not high, either. On
Wong's hate mail page of "Spacebattles.com Babies", you're seen to say
that he uses biased and false information, and that you've proved him
wrong many times. And yet, recently, you've stated with apparent pride on
SD.Net that Wong considers you a good, intelligent debater.

I find such a boast absurd. Based on my own experience and observation of
Wong, I'd rather he *not* think I'm a good, intelligent debater. He
normally reserves his loathing and personal attacks for those who either
really are demonstrably wrong and/or stupid, or else he uses such

maneuvers as a smokescreen to cover the fact that he's just received a
public beating with fact and logic.

Thus, one usually has a fifty-fifty chance of being just fine if one is on
Wong's bad side . . . and the odds are actually better than that, since he
normally flings BS as a smokescreen.

Did it not occur to you that Wong's praise might simply be because he
finds you mediocre, and thus an excellent Token Trekkie to have around?

It's not worth my valuable time/braincells to refute the "Wong is a biased Warsie asshole" argument (argument is to strong a word) that DS appearently has ready to paste into his posts.
What it all seems to boil down to is Wong=bad. Wong=You. You=bad. New arguments are so refreshing, aren't they?

DarkStar wrote:> You have made spiteful attacks against Wong,

This amused me greatly. Spiteful attacks against Wong? "How dare I
insult Wong! He is sweetness and light! So innocent and pure! A
veritable angel!"

Wong is the firestarter, in case you hadn't noticed. And, as per the
banning (which he justifies because I gave as good as I got in the insult
category), he can't take the heat that he himself creates. I hardly find
that to be a valid reason for anyone to loathe me.

There are so many Strawmen it's like a fucking Scarecrow factory in here!

Darkstar wrote:> incredibly borring and long winded debates against him,

Another invalid concept. His creationist-scattergun tactics and feigned
ignorance (at least, I hope it was feigned) required that I dismantle his
BS and "hold his hand" through the basics of logic and the evidence we
were working with, and even quote myself on more than one occasion to
disprove a claim he'd made about what I'd said (see the 5th round canon
section for a prime example that I noticed while making my page last
night). If he wanted a shorter debate, he should have adjusted his
tactics appropriately.

Darkstar's paste function gets a full workout here...

Darkstar wrote:> and have in general tried to decieve people on these debates.

I love this. I've been accused of lying in these debates so often that I
don't even pay attention anymore. It's a standard Warsie tactic that
will be numbered appropriately in my upcoming list of Warsie default
tactics. In a recent discussion with a Vs. community denizen, he
complained of the same treatment.

I'll come back to this one.

Darkstar wrote:I don't think you people understand the difference between a lie and a
difference of opinion. I also don't think you people understand the
difference between truth and belief. In every situation where I have been
accused of lying, I have had a position which is backed up by fact, and
the other party has a position which, if backed up at all, is tenuous at
best. However, they *believe* they are correct, and therefore they accuse
me of lying.

You must have been a bitch to teach at school.

[Scene: Classroom. The class has just gotten their exam results back.]
DS: Excuse me?
Teacher: Yes, Robert?
DS: I got all of the questions correct but you failed me.
Teacher: Is there anything in particular?
DS: Well, question 1 was "Name and describe 1 greek mythological figure." I put in Horus.
Teacher: Horus was an eqyptian god.
DS: I have pictures here proving that Horus was, in fact, one of the 12 titans.
Teacher: Those are pictures of Mirana Sitris. I'm sorry, but Horus was NOT a greek god.
DS: You're in a conspiracy with my maths teacher! He said that you couldn't destroy a planet with less than 2.4E32 joules of energy!

NOTE: AT THIS POINT I'M CUTTING TO THE CHASE. IT'S MIND-NUMBINGLY BORING ADRESSING HIS UBER-REPEDITIVE POSTS.

Point of interest:

Darkstar wrote:I love this. I've been accused of lying in these debates so often that I don't even pay attention anymore. It's a standard Warsie tactic that will be numbered appropriately in my upcoming list of Warsie default tactics. In a recent discussion with a Vs. community denizen, he
complained of the same treatment.

And:

Darkstar wrote:I find such a boast absurd. Based on my own experience and observation of
Wong, I'd rather he *not* think I'm a good, intelligent debater. He
normally reserves his loathing and personal attacks for those who either
really are demonstrably wrong and/or stupid,

Finally:

Darkstar wrote:I think you've listened to the Warsie slanders of me so much that you read
my messages just to find what they've said . . . they're anti-Darkstar
campaign of lies has colored your viewpoint.

To summarise:
1. Everybody calls him a liar.
2. Mike only flames people when they're idiots apart from DarkStar. (Of course. I mean, how could DS be wrong?)
3. All Warsies say he's wrong.

Can you say, PATTERN RECOGNITION?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-02 10:27am

Now this IS interesting.

http://kier.3dfrontier.com/forums/showt ... adid=40586

I posted the contents of the E-mail at SB and it got a reaction from DarkStar. If I am reading that correctly, DarkStar is leaving SB.

beyond hope · Post by **beyond hope** » 2002-12-02 10:34am

I read the feedback page: he's going to break his arm patting himself on the back so hard

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-02 11:00am

DarkStar wrote: > Comment: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies
> support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

You are at liberty to do so, but I have made no such claim. I do not
request or require your support.

Of course not. After all, it's all a conspiracy by those darned Warsies, isn't it?[/quote]

Guardian2000 aka Darkfucker wrote:Don't come in here agreeing with my arguments as I stand here, the last bastion and sole defender of them, and then question the manner in which I provide them.

I don't care how much or in what ways you rationalize your personal cowardice and failure to put forth the effort necessary to illuminate the adversaries. I don't care how you rationalize your personal cowardice in reference to me. I am the sole defender and last bastion of Trek on ASVS because that is what you have decided.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-02 11:09am

Hey, how's this for an idea?

Let's make a Great Warsie Conspiracy mock website, and make it look like a real government conspiracy with catchy phrases ("Coincidence? I don't think so!") that would belong to the most sleazy tabloids posting about UFOs and stuff. Only in this case, the Great Warsie Conspiracy is about the Rabid Warsies against the poor Lardstar.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-02 11:22am

I even tried to open a dialog with Alyeska, despite his behavior at SD.Net with his irrational brethren

Wait, openly insulting Alyeska after Alyeska sends an e-mail to you is considered an attempt to "open a dialogue with Alyeska?" How is this possible? Moreover, all that DarkStar has been doing since he was banned is send numerous demands to Alyeska that Alyeska post what DarkStar sent him, so now he gets angry with Alyeska for posting something that DarkStar sent him (especially since Alyeska asked him to post it on his website, which would make it part of the internet and therefore visible to everyone)? And HE'S mad at Alyeska?

In any case, this further demonstrates that DarkStar is irrational, and treats Alyeska the samae way he treats his conspiracy of rabid-Warsies.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-03 04:14am

Slartibartfast wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:
DarkStar wrote: > Comment: I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies
> support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

You are at liberty to do so, but I have made no such claim. I do not
request or require your support.
Of course not. After all, it's all a conspiracy by those darned Warsies, isn't it?

Guardian2000 aka Darkfucker wrote:Don't come in here agreeing with my arguments as I stand here, the last bastion and sole defender of them, and then question the manner in which I provide them.

I don't care how much or in what ways you rationalize your personal cowardice and failure to put forth the effort necessary to illuminate the adversaries. I don't care how you rationalize your personal cowardice in reference to me. I am the sole defender and last bastion of Trek on ASVS because that is what you have decided.

I'm confused.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-12-03 07:13am

Pcm979 wrote:I'm confused.

In response to:

I would like to comment on your claim that most trekkies support you as the last bastion of hope against Star Wars.

Darkstar said this:

You are at liberty to do so, but I have made no such claim. I do not request or require your support.

Even though he has actually said this in the past:

Don't come in here agreeing with my arguments as I stand here, the last bastion and sole defender of them, and then question the manner in which I provide them.

I don't care how much or in what ways you rationalize your personal cowardice and failure to put forth the effort necessary to illuminate the adversaries. I don't care how you rationalize your personal cowardice in reference to me. I am the sole defender and last bastion of Trek on ASVS because that is what you have decided.

Really, Darkstar is the only one who seriously thinks that he is the "last bastion" against Star Wars, but he would like to think otherwise, even as he claim that support (or lack thereof) from others doesn't matter to him.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2002-12-03 08:00am

I meant Slartibartfast's use of my quote.
But thanks, anyway.

Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader · Post by **Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader** » 2002-12-03 08:04am

MY EYES! MY EYES! IT BURNS!

Evil Sadistic Bastard · Post by **Evil Sadistic Bastard** » 2002-12-03 08:05am

[Yoda] Seen the stupidity of Darkstar you have, Lord Watzisname. Fear the crap side, you must, for it thtreatens to engulf us all. [/Yoda]

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-03 11:37am

Pcm979 wrote:I meant Slartibartfast's use of my quote.
But thanks, anyway.

Sorry, I sort of wanted to remove references to your quote but I missed it and I couldn't edit it afterwards.