The anti-SUV campaign

[Pu-239]

I hate SUVs

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[SyntaxVorlon]

The Bigger=Safer thing is pretty easy to disprove, just start speeding up and you've got thousands more newtons of force than necessary. Then put that guy, moving at say 60mph, on a nice american highway, noon, weekday traffic. Uhoh I better brake for that crash in the road a while in front. Whoops too late and crash into next person killing them, or Whoops bad angle, turnover kills self and may injure others, or Whoops nearly destroyed thousands of dollars of property and could have injured others, thank goodness I stopped in time, I hope that never happens again. Personally I think SUVs should be illegal without a permit showing exact need. Otherwise they are massive hulks of steel barreling down the freeway, which can end unpleasantly for anyone who dares drive near them.
Also I think it is mostly the rich white men with small penises. Damn small wang(technical term) disease you have caused another Explorer sale!!

[Howedar]

Older, larger, more heavily-build cars are not safer. They are heavier, which means they have more KE and are harder to stop. The structure of the vehicle absorbs much less of an impact than does a lighter-built car, which mantains rigidity around the passenger compartment while allowing the front and rear to crumple. A lighter vehicle will require less power to move and accelerate, and thus can have a smaller engine for the same performance. A lighter vehicle incures less damage on the road.

Claiming that vehicles today are build less heavily because of some evil Detroit conspiracy is frankly pretty funny.

[Crayz9000]

This entire thread is going nowhere and is rapidly degenerating into a flamefest.

*finger hovers over lock button*

[Sea Skimmer]

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[The Yosemite Bear]

Just toss in some HARMS so that I can deal with the Fucktards who use Cell Phones while driving, and I'll buy one.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Actually, accountants happened. Old cars were over-engineered, with huge safety factors. New cars are built with the absolute minimum thickness and strength of materials required to barely meet safety standards.

You can thank the stock market, corporate strategy which is based on short-term profits, and people with the letters "MBA" on their resumes.

One of the interesting things about newer cars is that, yes, in many regards they are seriously tinny but older cars are not nesserily safer, or are downright unsafe, compared to newer cars. Older cars will not have airbags or crumple zones, or a miriad of saftey fetures of a modern vehicle. Also bulk has a lot to do with it, a modern Ford Falcon will rape a Mini/ Beetle/ Morris Minor any accident.

Crumple zones are it. Slight crashes total modern cars because of the crumple zones. Better then driving an ancient Buick and getting a steering column through the chest.

That said, they could make them still a lot better but they are scratching for every bit of that profit margin. Bastards.

And it makes them assholes. What part of this don't you understand? This is the fucking problem with Americans; you can't say anything bad about any activity before they start whining about their rights. Yes, you have the constitutional right to be a prick; I also have the right to call you a prick if you do something which is grossly inconsiderate of others.

This goes double for Falcon and Shep, both of whom are trying to turn this into some kind of "anti-SUV people are fascists!" crusade. Shut the fuck up and shove that strawman up your ass. Yes, you have the right to own an SUV, but that does not make it OK to be one of the assholes who buys one just for the sake of dick compensation.

Amen.

I honestly asked my mom once when I was down here why she drove a fucking Ford Expedition in her constant errends. Only time she carts about any amount of storage or people is about my sisters soccer games and that's nothing a minivan couldn't accomplish. But we have 30 year olds worried about how cool they are. Fuck off. Making me even more pissed off is my dad driving the OLD Expedition while his BMW sits in the garage. That doesn't even pass the cool bullshit excuse.

My parents make my brain hurt.

And Shep, you're wrong. When I want to think about driving a cool vehicle to enjoy success, it is a nice sports car. Why instead of that get a fucking SUV; a wankfest that let's everyone within a eyesight with a brain know you're a dipshit yuppie that wants to be cool in the soccer mom yuppie kind of way. That kind of conformist brain-frying shit doesn't appeal to me, sorry.

[Robert Treder]

In other words, since you plan to do it yourself, it's OK. Typical Shep logic.

No, typical AMERICAN logic. See, unlike people in other countries, we don't
get mad when we see a rich guy go past us towing a cabin cruiser behind
his SUV. We promise ourselves that one day, WE will be the guy with the
cabin cruiser.

I resent that. I don't even like boating.

Sure, SUVs/big trucks are great if you're a construction worker, hick, or simply forgot to live in a city. I'm not going to protest those who own these monstrosities and actually use them. But what you have to understand, Shep (and I think you do), is that in big cities, hundreds of thousands of people who simply do not need these things waste their money on them. They waste their money on the car, they waste their money on the gas. On top of that, they hog the road, pollute the environment, and more often than not, forget how to drive (I can't begin to enumerate the fucking soccer moms I've nearly collided with who simply roam across the road, cell phone in hand, oblivious to everything but themselves).
It's especially bad in places like here in the Bay Area, where the average income is much higher than in the rest of the country, so a whole lot of our cars are SUVs. Bear in mind that we have no wilderness to speak of, and we have relatively few children in the area...a lot, if not most, of these SUV owners around here never drive more than a few people around, and aside from the occasional trip to go skiing in the Sierras, don't haul any cargo.
Once again, I'm not going to protest the people who actually need these things...what I'm mad about are the people who get them for the wrong reasons. Do you need to cart people around? A minivan or a stationwagon will do fine. Do you need to haul supplies for yardwork or your job? A small pickup or a utility van will do fine. Do you need to show off your wealth? A sports car will do better than fine, motherfucker.

[The Yosemite Bear]

YES, It's 168 MILES of the worst roads from me and My Diabetes meds
Yes, I need a car that can haul groceries, and other stuff, especially when I do MONTHLY stock up runs (Since I have to drive 300+ miles to get to the there)


Fuel Economy is a concern.
ROCKS the size of your HEAD is a Concern
Scuicidal Deer is a concern
Tourists who have no brains is a very big concern


I presently drive a GEO Metro Hatchback, My rear seats haven't been raised in two years!

I have front wheel drive
I have to pay for over a thousand Dollars a year in automotive repairs
It's a lot easier to drive in these moutians with a car with 4wd.
It's practically a nessesity in the winter
This year I got really sick because I had to wait 2 1/2 weeks without my diabetes meds because, I couldn't get my little car out of the park, because I don't have an SUV.

I HATE the stereotypical Urban SUV'ers that don't know how to drive, or how to handle a vehicle of that size, more then most of the people in this board. I am also purhaps one of the slowest driver's you will meet. (Hint: I don't trust the roads not to be slick deathtraps with rocks falling out of the sky onto you.
During the Winter your windows WILL form big spiderweb Cracks if you DON'T know how to safely defrost your windows, and don't possess the very expensive type of windows that handle that sort of temprature variation (The kind that come with most SUV's but DONT come with my 3 banger)
Right now, I have 6 months worth of Car Payments left
As soon as it's mine, I will probably trade it in for a Jeep

Fuck, I need to better insulate the engine, the Coolent/Anti-freeze is leaking.

[Pink Eye]

There is something called a SIDEWALK, you stupid dumbasses.

Unfortunately, in most cities bicycles are classified as vehicles, and are hence prohibited from riding on the sidewalk. Doing so can earn a fine (if any police officer cares, that is...)

In my opinion, anything that is motorized should be on the road. Things like a bicycle, skateboards or anything else that is human powered should be on the sidewalk.

[Pink Eye]

You're right, many people probably do not need them. But so what? They buy it because they want the prestige of owning an SUV or they just have money to burn. Why do people need a Corvette? a Viper? a Cobra Mustang? or any other high horse powered sports car? We have speed limits, so why make cars that are built for performance, power, and handling...earmarks of a racing car?

And it makes them assholes. What part of this don't you understand? This is the fucking problem with Americans; you can't say anything bad about any activity before they start whining about their rights. Yes, you have the constitutional right to be a prick; I also have the right to call you a prick if you do something which is grossly inconsiderate of others.

This goes double for Falcon and Shep, both of whom are trying to turn this into some kind of "anti-SUV people are fascists!" crusade. Shut the fuck up and shove that strawman up your ass. Yes, you have the right to own an SUV, but that does not make it OK to be one of the assholes who buys one just for the sake of dick compensation.

No, the point is there are plenty of other vehicles that do the same thing as SUV's are accused of; but it is the SUV that is often singled out. And I am certainly not whining, I am pointing out similar problems with other vehicles.

[Pink Eye]

This entire thread is going nowhere and is rapidly degenerating into a flamefest.

*finger hovers over lock button*

Yeah, I agree. No one has a good reason to show why SUV's suck. They do not pollute nor anymore dangerous than any other heavy trucks, vans, sport cars, or even some heavy insane cars [Lincoln Town Car anyone?].

Rather it is "they are an inconvenience and danger to me because I drive a crash zone [Geo Metro, Honda Civic del Sol, Mazda Miata]." Or "Ewwwwww white yuppies drive them and I am jealous and angry because they don't need them!"

But wasn't this about the anti-SUV campaign? The whole idea that SUV's fund terrorism because of poor gas mileage? Bah! So does a freakin' Ford F-350 dually!

[Colonel Olrik]

There is something called a SIDEWALK, you stupid dumbasses.

Unfortunately, in most cities bicycles are classified as vehicles, and are hence prohibited from riding on the sidewalk. Doing so can earn a fine (if any police officer cares, that is...)

In my opinion, anything that is motorized should be on the road. Things like a bicycle, skateboards or anything else that is human powered should be on the sidewalk.

Shep and disgusting avatar guy, you're both wrong.

As far as cities are concerned, welcome to EUROPE. The tendency, and many towns are already like that, is to rob a lane from the roads and dedicate it to bikes, skates and alike. One of the best ways of doing a few miles in a city is by bike, without jamming the streets and polluting the environment. Simply putting them in the sidewalks is not a solution, given that a bike can easily do more than 40 Km/h, and the sidewalks are full of people walking.

In the less challenging roads outside the cities (with the exception of highways) there's no reason why bikes shouldn't have the exact same rights as any other road user.

[phongn]

The giant ones are, of course, nothing but a grotesque status symbol for dick compensation. Any so-called "luxury SUV" is dick compensation. The old ones, like Cherokees, look like toys compared to the rolling monoliths that are being sold today.

I drive an 89 Cherokee. I bought it primarily for the cargo space I make use of frequently. I think in my family only two don't own an SUV (normal size) and/or a minivan and I promise you that none of them bought it for the status (kids/work).

However, most of what has been said about the current trend in huge SUV's is true for the most part. I could never understand shelling out $40,000 for a vehicle that you're never going to use for it's intended purpose or fully utilize.

BTW, am I the only person here who actually owns an SUV?

Quite possibly. My family has one, but I don't own one.

[phongn]

Actually, accountants happened. Old cars were over-engineered, with huge safety factors. New cars are built with the absolute minimum thickness and strength of materials required to barely meet safety standards.

You can thank the stock market, corporate strategy which is based on short-term profits, and people with the letters "MBA" on their resumes.

One of the interesting things about newer cars is that, yes, in many regards they are seriously tinny but older cars are not nesserily safer, or are downright unsafe, compared to newer cars. Older cars will not have airbags or crumple zones, or a miriad of saftey fetures of a modern vehicle. Also bulk has a lot to do with it, a modern Ford Falcon will rape a Mini/ Beetle/ Morris Minor any accident.

Crumple zones are it. Slight crashes total modern cars because of the crumple zones. Better then driving an ancient Buick and getting a steering column through the chest.

Crumple zones = teh win. Chevy Astro Minivan broadsided my aunt's Nissan Maxima (on the driver's side, where I was in back) and totalled it, but no-one inside was harmed (except for glass cuts).

[Peregrin Toker]

Yeah, I agree. No one has a good reason to show why SUV's suck. They do not pollute nor anymore dangerous than any other heavy trucks, vans, sport cars, or even some heavy insane cars [Lincoln Town Car anyone?].

Well, the case with SUVs are not that they're particular dangerous or polluting. (A Ford Excursion actually has better fuel economy than a 1968 Dodge Charger - although that's not much of an achievement)

The problem with SUVs is that most SUV-owners buy them knowing that they're never going to use it for what a SUV is designed for - off-road driving.

[phongn]

Yeah, I agree. No one has a good reason to show why SUV's suck. They do not pollute nor anymore dangerous than any other heavy trucks, vans, sport cars, or even some heavy insane cars [Lincoln Town Car anyone?].

Well, the case with SUVs are not that they're particular dangerous or polluting. (A Ford Excursion actually has better fuel economy than a 1968 Dodge Charger - although that's not much of an achievement)

The problem with SUVs is that most SUV-owners buy them knowing that they're never going to use it for what a SUV is designed for - off-road driving.

More than that, most SUV drivers don't drive them well!. That appears to be the big issue.

[Sea Skimmer]

Just toss in some HARMS so that I can deal with the Fucktards who use Cell Phones while driving, and I'll buy one.

The Russians actually did that in Chechnya. They discovered a Chechen commander was using a cell phone for communications. So they modified a ARM seeker to home in on the different emission type. When he next made a call a Su-24 launched the missile, they had a rough idea of his location. After spotting the blast another aircraft bombed the building as well.

It helped that the local cell phone network belonged to the Russian government.

[Tosho]

The Japanese ones are shit. The Ford Exploder is built off a modified light
truck chassis (ford ranger if I recall correctly), and the japanese have
never been able to beat detroit in trucks, because
that's the last bastion of overengineering in the american
automotive industry.

Wow, Who would have thought that the japanese would be bad at making large vehicles?! IIRC Japan is half the size of california and has half the pop. of the U.S. and furthermore 70% of its territory is mountainous & 15% is used for farming leaving 15% for urban areas! Imagine trying to stuff the majority of the 125 million people into a area 7.5% the size of california.Leading of course to the japanese system of: build small,build tall.

[Darth Wong]

Yeah, I agree. No one has a good reason to show why SUV's suck. They do not pollute nor anymore dangerous than any other heavy trucks, vans, sport cars, or even some heavy insane cars [Lincoln Town Car anyone?].

I like the way you completely ignored the point about how these vehicles have the traffic obstruction characteristics of a truck, without requiring any special license or particular need in most cases.

Rather it is "they are an inconvenience and danger to me because I drive a crash zone [Geo Metro, Honda Civic del Sol, Mazda Miata]."

Interesting way of re-phrasing the fact that they are unusually dangerous to small-car owners. I had no idea that concern for injuries and fatalities was considered insubstantial whining.

Or "Ewwwwww white yuppies drive them and I am jealous and angry because they don't need them!"

Interesting way of re-phrasing the fact that they are grossly inconsiderate and totally unnecessary in most cases.

Following in your technique of appeal to mockery, the SUV argument seems to be "I have the God-given right to be an asshole, block other drivers' view of the road and thus create a safety hazard if I want to, pump out more pollutants than everyone else (since I'm too fucking stupid to realize that if you burn three times more gas, you will create roughly three times more pollution), and put everyone at severe risk who doesn't have an oversized vehicle like mine. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of the way because I've got money and I can do whatever I want. It's all about my rights, after all. Nothing else matters."

[Montcalm]

Why buy a suv when you are alone in it, for a family its ok but when you see hundreds of them on the roads or in the streets there`s only one person in it, don`t tell me they never heard of carpooling.

[Colonel Olrik]

Bump!


Just to inform that this thread has been cleared of pinkie's shit.

[weemadando]

Nothing irritates me more than goddamn urban 4WDs, aka Toorak Tractors/whatever.

You want a big car? Buy a fucking mini-van or station wagon!

You have a fucking 4WD? Take it off road once in a while!

I propose that we form the S.U.V Liberation League!

We free S.U.V's that are trapped in urban servitude and let them run free in the wilderness where they belong! No court would ever convict us!

Free the S.U.V'S!

[Raptor 597]

Yes, those Prissy suburanites must be destroyed! I eally hate those SUVs in the city not serving their truly needed purpose.