Feels good to be an ass sometimes

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 06:16am

I hear ya on the late hours, not the ideal time to be getting into hardcore philosophical matters.

But you other comment where you imply that Murder is the only form of revenge is still cracking me up.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-10-16 06:33am

Yeah, Spanky, that "you gotta kill whoever you're going after" bit was very "otaku" of you. And that's just silly.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-10-16 06:56am

Just calling you on your overgeneralization on the first point.

Bullshit; lets go through some scenarios to save any more taking-out-of-context rubbish. If you get hit by a guy in a gang, of course you don't hit back; you get the fuck out of there. By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.

Actually, you brought up both points. And I'm curious why you are willing to think about your self-preservation when faced with a gang and willing to commit a suicidal attack against a single "gorilla," even though your overall chances of winning may be exactly the same.

yeah right.

In that scenario, I'm presuming that the Defender COULD have made a beanpaste out of 10 of the Provokers if he wanted to. If you are running away because you are scared, then you may be a coward. If you are running away because the enemy is decisively superior, that's pragmatism. If it is because of a hard dug principle, it is courageous and principled (the positive half,) or stubborn (the more negative half.)

Maybe. And maybe if that lady wasn't such a bitch, he wouldn't have been so against going to church and his Dad wouldn't have then beat him up. Maybe....what if....who fucking knows.

My point is, a person so insensitive is unlikely to be harmed mentally by such a message, and if she is, IMHO she had that coming.

I can judge him if I want; you post stuff like this on a message board, and you'll get heaps of judgements. What's wrong with that?

You CAN, and even if you can't post it on a message board, you no doubt have an opinion formed in your brain. You no doubt have your ideal method of dealing with a similar situation, and may very well have done it already.

IMHO, however, yours is an opinion, an indication of how you would handle it, and is dependent on your personality and your personal "fill-in" of the many sections he could never have described to you in the confines of a message board. Your solution is not necessarily applicable to him or even his situation in general - perhaps even after talking to his Dad, for instance, he might still feel a need to get that woman.

Without knowing that truth, it is very difficult for you to justify a claim that his solution would not work for him, and that your solution would. Thus your judgment is not justified.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-10-16 07:04am

Zaia wrote:Congratulations on lowering my opinion of men in general even farther than it was before I read this thread.

God damn it superman now look what you've done! She hates us all. I blame the internet.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-10-16 07:20am

Zaia wrote:Congratulations on lowering my opinion of men in general even farther than it was before I read this thread.

In all fairness, not all of us are like that Z, take myself for example, my resemblance of a burn victim with a skin condition would make me lucky to have any woman to the point wher eI wouldwillingly submit myself to horrible torutures that tear the psyche and body for female companionship, like buying tampons at the grocery store.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 08:51am

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Just calling you on your overgeneralization on the first point.

It's an overgeneralisation only if you think I'm a blockhead, or took the point out of its context. Do you really think I'd turn the other cheek if my mom picked up the butchers knife and charged my sister? Are we having a conversation here, or some kind of lets-nitpick-for-every-base-uncovered-a-thon?

Bullshit; lets go through some scenarios to save any more taking-out-of-context rubbish. If you get hit by a guy in a gang, of course you don't hit back; you get the fuck out of there. By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.
Actually, you brought up both points. And I'm curious why you are willing to think about your self-preservation when faced with a gang and willing to commit a suicidal attack against a single "gorilla," even though your overall chances of winning may be exactly the same.

Because I'm outnumbered. I wouldn't lose respect for myself walking away from a one to many scenario, because I know how dangerous taking on more then 2 strangers can be.

But one on one is fair; I can always get over a broken rib if it came down to that. And if you really have a fear of dying against a guy on a nightclub dance floor, then you probably SHOULD walk away.....and into a boxing centre the next morning for some lessons.

yeah right.
In that scenario, I'm presuming that the Defender COULD have made a beanpaste out of 10 of the Provokers if he wanted to.

real life isn't like a Jakie Chan movie. Gangs don't follow the gentlemans rule of "one on one", and no man on this planet can take on ten men at the same time.

If you are running away because you are scared, then you may be a coward. If you are running away because the enemy is decisively superior, that's pragmatism. If it is because of a hard dug principle, it is courageous and principled (the positive half,) or stubborn (the more negative half.)

How can you tell if that stranger who just hit you is superior? Cause he's giving you a mean look? His big muscles? What?

Maybe. And maybe if that lady wasn't such a bitch, he wouldn't have been so against going to church and his Dad wouldn't have then beat him up. Maybe....what if....who fucking knows.
My point is, a person so insensitive is unlikely to be harmed mentally by such a message, and if she is, IMHO she had that coming.

How do you know she's insensitive? She yelled at a 12 year old boy; that's not enough to conclude she's insensitive or even deserved a mention in his email to the church [ignoring Supermans thoughts of her for the moment]. She could have been hard to all the kids there; so fucking what, that's life, some adults give kids a hard time, sometimes out of love, or hate, or whatever.

So why am I ignoring Supermans judgement of her? Because Superman is the type of guy who throws steaks at ladies in restuarants for no reason; the type of guy who walks up to strange ladies to tell them they're "fat" for no fucking reason or whatever the fuck he said, I can't remember exactly what it was at the moment.

In other words, I'm not holding much stock in Supermans opinions.

I can judge him if I want; you post stuff like this on a message board, and you'll get heaps of judgements. What's wrong with that?
IMHO, however, yours is an opinion, an indication of how you would handle it, and is dependent on your personality and your personal "fill-in" of the many sections he could never have described to you in the confines of a message board. Your solution is not necessarily applicable to him or even his situation in general - perhaps even after talking to his Dad, for instance, he might still feel a need to get that woman.

Oh come on! He's been sitting on this thing for over 10 years! Why suddenly did he chose NOW to "get her"? I'm not so sure that she even really botheres him, and in fact shot that email out of boredom more then anything else.

Without knowing that truth, it is very difficult for you to justify a claim that his solution would not work for him, and that your solution would. Thus your judgment is not justified.

...my 2 cents. Forgetful BoredShirtless.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-10-16 09:17am

BoredShirtless wrote:Because I'm outnumbered. I wouldn't lose respect for myself walking away from a one to many scenario, because I know how dangerous taking on more then 2 strangers can be.

But one on one is fair; I can always get over a broken rib if it came down to that. And if you really have a fear of dying against a guy on a nightclub dance floor, then you probably SHOULD walk away.....and into a boxing centre the next morning for some lessons.

300 pounds to 120 is fair? Wierd system IMHO. But OK, I understand now.

life isn't like a Jakie Chan movie. Gangs don't follow the gentlemans rule of "one on one", and no man on this planet can take on ten men at the same time.

Weren't you the one that just mentioned we shouldn't be nitting each other? Obviously, that's hyperbole to suggest that the reason he's walking away is not because he can't beat that other guy.

How can you tell if that stranger who just hit you is superior? Cause he's giving you a mean look? His big muscles? What?

No guarantee. But all else being equal, if he's muscular, double my mass, a full head or two over me (I'm small - this kind of combination is hardly rare for me,) me, not knowing any martial arts, has no chance. I suppose if you knew some fighting skills, you COULD gamble your fighting skill is so much higher than his that you could beat his huge "inborn" advantage, but I still won't be counting on it.

How do you know she's insensitive? She yelled at a 12 year old boy; that's not enough to conclude she's insensitive or even deserved a mention in his email to the church [ignoring Supermans thoughts of her for the moment]. She could have been hard to all the kids there; so fucking what, that's life, some adults give kids a hard time, sometimes out of love, or hate, or whatever.

For all we know, she could actually be a nice lady, but Superman put shit onto her steak dinner one day. However, all we got is Superman's word, so I'm assuming it is the truth, and she was cruel to HIM, at least.

While we are going on "that's life," it covers a lot of things. "That's life" doesn't mean it is OK or he shouldn't have the chance to get back at her.

Oh come on! He's been sitting on this thing for over 10 years! Why suddenly did he chose NOW to "get her"? I'm not so sure that she even really botheres him, and in fact shot that email out of boredom more then anything else.

I see you know Superman really well

Anyway, I suppose it just occurred to him to solve it one day. Some people sit on the fact they had been raped or something for many years. Sure, some of those are probably hoaxes for various gain, but some are probably true as well.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 09:57am

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote: No guarantee. But all else being equal, if he's muscular, double my mass, a full head or two over me (I'm small - this kind of combination is hardly rare for me,) me, not knowing any martial arts, has no chance. I suppose if you knew some fighting skills, you COULD gamble your fighting skill is so much higher than his that you could beat his huge "inborn" advantage, but I still won't be counting on it.

You're right to be concerend about a guy double your mass, and without you knowing how to defend yourself; I was really speaking from my own POV, which clouded my thinking a bit. I can get arrogant in that way

How do you know she's insensitive? She yelled at a 12 year old boy; that's not enough to conclude she's insensitive or even deserved a mention in his email to the church [ignoring Supermans thoughts of her for the moment]. She could have been hard to all the kids there; so fucking what, that's life, some adults give kids a hard time, sometimes out of love, or hate, or whatever.
For all we know, she could actually be a nice lady, but Superman put shit onto her steak dinner one day. However, all we got is Superman's word, so I'm assuming it is the truth, and she was cruel to HIM, at least.

It's time to refresh our memories:
There was a woman there who was a big time bitch and would often yell at me (when I was 12, mind you) and find reasons to get me into trouble. She was also 40 something, single and a repressed homosexual (it was pretty obvious).

So, I left the church a nasty email and called her a dyke and whatnot. HA HA! Take that!

Dude. Seriously. That looks like a whinge from a little kid. I can't tell whether Superman is being serious, flippant, or what.

While we are going on "that's life," it covers a lot of things. "That's life" doesn't mean it is OK or he shouldn't have the chance to get back at her.

Of course "that's life" coveres lots of things. But here it's only covering the lady yelling at Superman.

Oh come on! He's been sitting on this thing for over 10 years! Why suddenly did he chose NOW to "get her"? I'm not so sure that she even really botheres him, and in fact shot that email out of boredom more then anything else.
I see you know Superman really well

Anyway, I suppose it just occurred to him to solve it one day. Some people sit on the fact they had been raped or something for many years. Sure, some of those are probably hoaxes for various gain, but some are probably true as well.

Looks like you know him better but

He's been vague and flippant enough to convince me that lady doesn't really bother him. Like I said, he was probably just bored when he wrote that email.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-10-16 10:19am

BoredShirtless wrote:Bullshit; lets go through some scenarios to save any more taking-out-of-context rubbish. If you get hit by a guy in a gang, of course you don't hit back; you get the fuck out of there.

If you can, if you can't you'll have to fight for your life, and if you fail, you're fucked.

By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.

And that would be fucking stupid. You better make sure he goes down on the first hit if you're dumb enough to do this. For all you know he's hopped up on drugs and just spoiling for a chance to beat you to a bloody pulp. You have a clear chance to walk away and avoid trouble, why would you go back and willingly risk getting the shit beat out of you? Sure you might win, but what do you want to bet on that? A black eye? A few knocked out teeth? A few broken bones? A month in a coma and 5 years of rehab? Life as a quadraplegic? Your life? Is your "honor" worth so much that you'd risk all that just to avoid a percieved stain on it?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-10-16 10:33am

aerius wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:Bullshit; lets go through some scenarios to save any more taking-out-of-context rubbish. If you get hit by a guy in a gang, of course you don't hit back; you get the fuck out of there.
If you can, if you can't you'll have to fight for your life, and if you fail, you're fucked.

By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.
And that would be fucking stupid. You better make sure he goes down on the first hit if you're dumb enough to do this. For all you know he's hopped up on drugs and just spoiling for a chance to beat you to a bloody pulp. You have a clear chance to walk away and avoid trouble, why would you go back and willingly risk getting the shit beat out of you? Sure you might win, but what do you want to bet on that? A black eye? A few knocked out teeth? A few broken bones? A month in a coma and 5 years of rehab? Life as a quadraplegic? Your life? Is your "honor" worth so much that you'd risk all that just to avoid a percieved stain on it?

That's a macho thing. Unless you beat the shit out of an antagonist like that then you're no longer considered a man or honourable as he walked all over you. There are limits to honour and having the shit kicked out of me because I "tried" doesn't sound too good. Excuse me for avoiding a possible life as a cripple so my manliness is dented somewhat.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-10-16 10:57am

On the other hand, if some idiot half your strength picks a fight with you..

- hey, it has happened to me once. I could scarcely believe the bug had actually punched me (bar fight, one of my friends was his former girlfriend)..

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-10-16 11:11am

Colonel Olrik wrote:On the other hand, if some idiot half your strength picks a fight with you.. - hey, it has happened to me once. I could scarcely believe the bug had actually punched me (bar fight, one of my friends was his former girlfriend)..

You are still in trouble. You have 2 eyes, a throat, and 2 testicles. All he has to do is hit you in one of these places and you'll be in a world of trouble before you even know it. Yes you have him at a disadvantage, but that doesn't mean he can't hurt or kill you. Treat him the same way as a guy who's twice as big & strong as you, because either one can kill you just as dead. My personal personal philisophy is that if I have no way to avoid a fight, make sure the other fucker ends up crippled and/or unconscious or dead. Don't dick around, take him out, and take him out as fast as you can any way you can.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 11:17am

aerius wrote:
By a 300 pound gorilla who starts some shit on the dance floor, you fucking wack him back, even if you think you'd lose. At least you'd have tried, instead of slinking away with your body ok but without your self-respect.
And that would be fucking stupid. You better make sure he goes down on the first hit if you're dumb enough to do this. For all you know he's hopped up on drugs and just spoiling for a chance to beat you to a bloody pulp. You have a clear chance to walk away and avoid trouble, why would you go back and willingly risk getting the shit beat out of you?

I can box, so I don't have to cop that. And if he's on drugs, I'll know, and may fall back, depending on how I feel about him.

Sure you might win, but what do you want to bet on that? A black eye? A few knocked out teeth? A few broken bones? A month in a coma and 5 years of rehab? Life as a quadraplegic? Your life? Is your "honor" worth so much that you'd risk all that just to avoid a percieved stain on it?

It's not about honour; it's about self respect. I couldn't imagine some guy hitting me and just letting him walk away. There are always exceptions of course, even not considering weapons.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-10-16 11:25am

aerius wrote: You are still in trouble. You have 2 eyes, a throat, and 2 testicles. All he has to do is hit you in one of these places and you'll be in a world of trouble before you even know it. Yes you have him at a disadvantage, but that doesn't mean he can't hurt or kill you. Treat him the same way as a guy who's twice as big & strong as you, because either one can kill you just as dead. My personal personal philisophy is that if I have no way to avoid a fight, make sure the other fucker ends up crippled and/or unconscious or dead. Don't dick around, take him out, and take him out as fast as you can any way you can.

I agree. In that particualr situation, right after his unexpected punch in the face I threw him to the floor violently (that cut out his fighting will), and my friends then came and prevented more fighting (after that first rush, I was ready to shred him).

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-10-16 11:25am

You know, that church, in my mind, really ruined my childhood. It really did. One memeber attempted to sexually assault me, another member actually stalked me for about a month, that woman I told you about shoved me into a wall once (not even counting the yelling and telling me how bad I was), I could go on and on. Between my dad and that church, my childhood was pretty fucked up. Believe me, I would like nothing more than to march over there right now and shove that stupid bitch right through a wall. Hell, I would love to burn that damn church to the ground, but of course I would never do any of these things. That email was enough and it felt pretty good.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 11:30am

Robert Treder wrote:Yeah, Spanky, that "you gotta kill whoever you're going after" bit was very "otaku" of you. And that's just silly.

*shrug* What can I say? The Book of Five Rings made quite a large impact.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-10-16 11:35am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Uts and I do not have the typical sibling rivalry between us that most brothers do.

And again, defence is different from revenge...

Actually, I was thinking of something in the vein of the photo he posted of you sleeping. I wasn't thinking of him trying to smack you around or anything like that. Maybe "borrowing" all of your stuff without asking but nothing violent.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-10-16 11:38am

That probably wouldn't work because we pretty much have always shared all of our stuff.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-10-16 11:42am

BoredShirtless wrote:
aerius wrote:And that would be fucking stupid. You better make sure he goes down on the first hit if you're dumb enough to do this. For all you know he's hopped up on drugs and just spoiling for a chance to beat you to a bloody pulp. You have a clear chance to walk away and avoid trouble, why would you go back and willingly risk getting the shit beat out of you?
I can box, so I don't have to cop that. And if he's on drugs, I'll know, and may fall back, depending on how I feel about him.

For your good let's hope you're right. You sure have a lot of trust in your boxing abilities, but you gotta ask yourself, is that enough? Unless you hit him with a perfect sucker punch he can still recover enough to take you out. Are you sure you can hit him with that perfect punch? Think real hard about it. As for drugs, if he's hopped up on PCP's chances are you won't know it till he laughs off your punch, picks you up with one arm and throws you 20' across the room, after which he drops you headfirst into the floor a few times for fun.

It's not about honour; it's about self respect. I couldn't imagine some guy hitting me and just letting him walk away. There are always exceptions of course, even not considering weapons.

Imagine it, and get used to it, or consider a lifestyle change to avoid these situations. That's why I don't go to downtown bars and stay away from nightclubs, I'm too old to be getting into stupid fights and having drunken assholes take shots at me for shits & giggles.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 11:43am

aerius wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:On the other hand, if some idiot half your strength picks a fight with you.. - hey, it has happened to me once. I could scarcely believe the bug had actually punched me (bar fight, one of my friends was his former girlfriend)..
You are still in trouble. You have 2 eyes, a throat, and 2 testicles. All he has to do is hit you in one of these places and you'll be in a world of trouble before you even know it. Yes you have him at a disadvantage, but that doesn't mean he can't hurt or kill you. Treat him the same way as a guy who's twice as big & strong as you, because either one can kill you just as dead. My personal personal philisophy is that if I have no way to avoid a fight, make sure the other fucker ends up crippled and/or unconscious or dead. Don't dick around, take him out, and take him out as fast as you can any way you can.

You're a dangerous man aerius. It only takes one punch to the floating ribs to disable a person. And in my experience, people usually lose their will to fight once they get hit in a nerve laden area like the eye socket. Although I do understand your philosophy, I don't agree with it.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-10-16 12:01pm

BoredShirtless wrote:You're a dangerous man aerius. It only takes one punch to the floating ribs to disable a person. And in my experience, people usually lose their will to fight once they get hit in a nerve laden area like the eye socket. Although I do understand your philosophy, I don't agree with it.

I suppose I should introduce you to my buddy Brent, who was my training partner and from whom I learned more about fighting than anyone else. He took a baseball bat to the floating ribs and was still able close with the attacker and take him out with a shoulder block to the knees. The attacker went down with a broken knee and stayed down after Brent gave him a hit in the temple. Brent got his ribs broken, but he was far from disabled and still took out his attacker. From my experience I've cracked a floating rib (and dislocated my shoulder) from a bad fall off my bike, and to tell you the truth it's far from disabling. Hurt like a bastard and made it hard to breathe, but I could still walk & move around.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 12:07pm

aerius wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:
aerius wrote:And that would be fucking stupid. You better make sure he goes down on the first hit if you're dumb enough to do this. For all you know he's hopped up on drugs and just spoiling for a chance to beat you to a bloody pulp. You have a clear chance to walk away and avoid trouble, why would you go back and willingly risk getting the shit beat out of you?
I can box, so I don't have to cop that. And if he's on drugs, I'll know, and may fall back, depending on how I feel about him.
For your good let's hope you're right. You sure have a lot of trust in your boxing abilities, but you gotta ask yourself, is that enough?

I sure hope so!

And if it isn't, then I'll only have myself to blame.

Unless you hit him with a perfect sucker punch he can still recover enough to take you out.

So what if he recovers; I wont just be standing there waiting for him to get his bearings back.

Are you sure you can hit him with that perfect punch? Think real hard about it.

I don't need to, because I don't see why it's so vital to take someone out in one punch. I'd be great if I do, but I wouldn't be giving up if I don't.

As for drugs, if he's hopped up on PCP's chances are you won't know it till he laughs off your punch, picks you up with one arm and throws you 20' across the room, after which he drops you headfirst into the floor a few times for fun.

Eye contact; I'll know.

It's not about honour; it's about self respect. I couldn't imagine some guy hitting me and just letting him walk away. There are always exceptions of course, even not considering weapons.
Imagine it, and get used to it, or consider a lifestyle change to avoid these situations.

No aerius. You've given in to fear. I will not.

That's why I don't go to downtown bars and stay away from nightclubs, I'm too old to be getting into stupid fights and having drunken assholes take shots at me for shits & giggles.

If that's truly your only reason, then I feel a little sorry for you.

BoredShirtless · Post by **BoredShirtless** » 2003-10-16 12:16pm

aerius wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote:You're a dangerous man aerius. It only takes one punch to the floating ribs to disable a person. And in my experience, people usually lose their will to fight once they get hit in a nerve laden area like the eye socket. Although I do understand your philosophy, I don't agree with it.
I suppose I should introduce you to my buddy Brent, who was my training partner and from whom I learned more about fighting than anyone else. He took a baseball bat to the floating ribs and was still able close with the attacker and take him out with a shoulder block to the knees. The attacker went down with a broken knee and stayed down after Brent gave him a hit in the temple. Brent got his ribs broken, but he was far from disabled and still took out his attacker.

I'm finding this very hard to believe. Are you sure it was his floating rib and not one of the others? No offense, it's just in my experience, getting your floating rib broken is a show stopper.

From my experience I've cracked a floating rib (and dislocated my shoulder) from a bad fall off my bike, and to tell you the truth it's far from disabling. Hurt like a bastard and made it hard to breathe, but I could still walk & move around.

Ok, you can move around; but you're "disabled" in a fighting sense, right?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-10-16 12:21pm

I've been hit in the floating ribs many times during tae kwon do practice and during wrestling. I've had to tap out every time. That hurts!

Zac Naloen · Post by **Zac Naloen** » 2003-10-16 12:24pm

BoredShirtless wrote:
aerius wrote:
BoredShirtless wrote: I can box, so I don't have to cop that. And if he's on drugs, I'll know, and may fall back, depending on how I feel about him.
For your good let's hope you're right. You sure have a lot of trust in your boxing abilities, but you gotta ask yourself, is that enough?
I sure hope so! And if it isn't, then I'll only have myself to blame.

From this comment im already fairly certain i could take you out.

1 or 2 leg take down, get you on the floor, your going to panic, immediately move into a calf lock... put you in shit pain, release that and move on to an ankle lock, break the ankle, will take about ten seconds if i get the lock right first time, then i'd probably stand back and watch you roll about a bit... if you try and get back onto you feet, easiest way to put a stop to that, kick in the ankle, and then i would probably have to sit on you.

if the original lock doesn't work, i'll move up the body pin you to the ground with my weight, get you with a flurry of punches to the face (your head will also be hitting the ground, it hurts A LOT trust me) then perform an arm lock, breaking the arm, after that i'll reposition myself with a knee to the base of your ribcage, you won't be able to breath, and will also give me free range of choice of where to go from there.

All this of course is assuming your mates don't kick me in the head the moment you hit the ground.