Tarot, Palms, Other Clairvoyancies (& Homosexuality?)

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:06pm

victorhadin wrote:
Well that's kinda besides the point. Given the rather hectic nature of my university life, I would place your 'woman making you happy' in the 'spend an interesting night with a woman category'. In the times I am generally being more sedentary, I would simply change the goalposts to a different definition of 'making me happy'. Since in any given couple of weeks someone will certainly make me happy (it'd be a godawful set of weeks for that not to happen) clearly a fair percentage of the time it will be a woman doing so, regardless of the personal definitions I lay down for 'make me happy'.

Or to put it another way, I could say that a man or a woman (pick your prophecy) would make you happy in the next two weeks, and chances are I'd be right. I could even go out on a limb and say 'I foresee that a relative of yours will make you happy' and chances are it will happen.

Associations are where you find them.

You do realize that I never outrightly said that this woman would make you happy, do you not? I said that you'll be happy in the next few weeks, and a woman might have something to do with it.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 02:10pm

Ah, just give up, verilon. They read what they want to read.

And one point to make... homosexuality has nothing to do with believing or being able to do and sense these things. It's much deeper than that.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:22pm

Lagmonster wrote:
verilon wrote:You actually expected me to believe that? Hah! Ghosts are not normally wanting to be visible to humans, unless for malicious reasons. These obviously were, but the story was cheesy and unreliable. I know what ghosts are like, and they are not this kind. Either they are not visible, they are playful, or they hide out in the dark and only come out then. (Don't let me get started on my motel room experiences or my Oklahoma experience.)
I didn't claim they were real, I claimed he was serious about them. In fact, he didn't even think they were ghosts, but something else. Okay, tell me YOUR story. I told you, I'm a collector. I want to hear your tales of the spooky and odd.

Oh, and I should have given you a better story, one that actually applies to ghosts, straight up. You're right, that was my call, because I happen to like that 'evil kids' story specifically.
http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/asu-ghost.html

That one seems more believable. My stories may not be all that intriguing or whatnot, but they sure scared the hell out of me, especially being one of them was when I was a kid.

When I lived in Oklahoma several years back, I was in Lawton. Ok, not important. Whatever the case, I decided I was going to sleep in the living room for whatever reason. While in there, there appeared a set of red dots that looked exactly like eyes. Now, I blinked once, and it multiplied--there were now four eyes. Terror rushed over me, and I could not tear my eyes away from theirs. I blink again--now there are eight--sixteen--thirty-two--they keep doubling and doubling until I jsut can't handle it any more. Never again did I sleep in that living room.

Motels. Goddess, they are horrible to me. I will NOT, I repeat, I WILL NOT, sleep in a motel room without light for the simple fact that I have a ghost following me. I don't sleep ANYWHERE if there is not some sort of light....especially in a motel room. There is always a tall, dark, cloaked figure that appears out of nowhere...it materializes before my very eyes. It always comes toward me, and I always see its fangs. White, sharp fangs, dripping with blood, in its blacker-than-black coat... I will not sleep in a dark motel room. And this has been going on since childhood, and it still happens to this day.

When I lived in Roswell, I had to sneak out of my house to go to school sometimes (long story, very personal). Anyways, I was walking to the oublic bus stop one time, right, and the street is literally deserted save myself. I am walking along and behind me I hear a shuffling sound, and a voice. The voice says, as if it were ending a sentence, "kill Jack." Now this completely freaked me out because one of my best friends at the time was named Jack.

Tell me these aren't strange stories.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:23pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Ah, just give up, verilon. They read what they want to read.

And one point to make... homosexuality has nothing to do with believing or being able to do and sense these things. It's much deeper than that.

I know...it just seems that a lot of homosexual and bisexual people are "prone" to this sort of thing. I was just wondering. Besides, I like arguing for the sake of arguing, esp. if I am right.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 02:25pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Ah, just give up, verilion. They read what they want to read.

Some people prefer not knowing their fate, too. Let's assume his predictive ability is genuine. If you told someone you forsee them dying in the next few months...well, you can imagine what kind of reaction they would have. No one deserves to be cursed with knowing their own future, good or bad.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 02:27pm

Lagmonster wrote:
Some people prefer not knowing their fate, too. Let's assume his predictive ability is genuine. If you told someone you forsee them dying in the next few months...well, you can imagine what kind of reaction they would have. No one deserves to be cursed with knowing their own future, good or bad.

I agree with that. I would never tell anyone I have a feeling they are going to die. What I meant was Bean misread what verilon said for him and victorhadin misread his as well.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:30pm

Lagmonster wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:Ah, just give up, verilion. They read what they want to read.
Some people prefer not knowing their fate, too. Let's assume his predictive ability is genuine. If you told someone you forsee them dying in the next few months...well, you can imagine what kind of reaction they would have. No one deserves to be cursed with knowing their own future, good or bad.

I agree with Kelly here, I won't tell someone that they sre going to die, that's just wrong. But riddle me this: I tell a random person that he is having a wonderful life, based on the vibes I felt. And he called me on it. Said it was true. How do you feel about that?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 02:30pm

And besides, the whole Bean thing, sorry, but I was trying to prove a point and I had to get it off my chest.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 03:04pm

verilon wrote:I agree with Kelly here, I won't tell someone that they sre going to die, that's just wrong. But riddle me this: I tell a random person that he is having a wonderful life, based on the vibes I felt. And he called me on it. Said it was true. How do you feel about that?

I don't really want to stick into the trenches on this one with you.

But, if someone were to say it to me, I'd say it was too obvious. I could look at people and have at least a 50% chance of guessing whether they were having a good life or not. And even so, I've had moments in my life that were deadly awful, but if you ask me today, being where I am, I'd say I was having a terrific go of it.

Talking about vibes...If the random person is at least smiling and carrying themselves well and seemed well-dressed and healthy, you could venture that you feel, from your impression of them, that they were having a good life, and be right.

No, even Bean's prediction was more specific.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 03:07pm

Lagmonster wrote:
verilon wrote:I agree with Kelly here, I won't tell someone that they sre going to die, that's just wrong. But riddle me this: I tell a random person that he is having a wonderful life, based on the vibes I felt. And he called me on it. Said it was true. How do you feel about that?
I don't really want to stick into the trenches on this one with you.

But, if someone were to say it to me, I'd say it was too obvious. I could look at people and have at least a 50% chance of guessing whether they were having a good life or not. And even so, I've had moments in my life that were deadly awful, but if you ask me today, being where I am, I'd say I was having a terrific go of it.

Talking about vibes...If the random person is at least smiling and carrying themselves well and seemed well-dressed and healthy, you could venture that you feel, from your impression of them, that they were having a good life, and be right.

No, even Bean's prediction was more specific.

The fact of the matter is, he didn't present himself at all. He wasn't really smiling, nor did he look angry or depressed. I just, well, felt it.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 03:10pm

And to be more specific, I said, "You're involved with someone and you're very happy." He said yes, this was true.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 03:40pm

verilon wrote:And to be more specific, I said, "You're involved with someone and you're very happy." He said yes, this was true.

Better, but not there yet. Don't let me get you down, though. I've spent whole evenings in abandoned houses, miles from anywhere, with a psychic who claimed to experience unimaginable emotional trauma the whole night, and who at least was able to say "I feel something awful is about to happen" moments before a pair of tables collapsed to splinters for no reason.

I like ghostly experiences, even if I believe they have more mundane explanations, were I to look hard enough. However, as a more adventurous youth that often put me in the company of true believers like yourself.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 03:47pm

Have you ever seen House on Haunted Hill? Remember the little cherubim faces? Listen to this:

I was over at my friend Lori's house. We were fixing the lights in her room (we were trying to hang up some black lights). She has a lot of glow in the dark stuff in her room. Well, at one point we had all the lights off. I swear I saw one of those faces, but it was the glow-in-the-dark green color. And she claimed that it was her glow-in-the-dark stuff, but it was nowhere near that.

Or, the first time I went over to her place, she was putting up some shelves in the bathroom, right? Well, she was finished doing that, and we went into her room (studio apartment). About five minutes later, the stuff fell down. I realize that this could have happened anyways, due to it not meing secured properly, but we tested it.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 03:59pm

verilon wrote:Have you ever seen House on Haunted Hill? Remember the little cherubim faces?

I've seen all the 'best' ghost movies. None are even halfway entertaining compared to being thrust forefront into a scary situation in a place that is widely reputed to be haunted, and in which many bizarre things happen. As I said, I don't believe in ghosts, but that's easy to say when you aren't in a pit somewhere in the middle of the night in an old monestary in Italy and pebbles are flying out of cracks in the wall and screams are echoing up the hallways from way below.

As for your experiences, just enjoy them. Until a knife leaps off the countertop and chases you around the kitchen or something spectaular and improbable like that, just get right back into the thick of it and prod around. People pay hundreds of dollars to watch Freddy eviscerate people, but you can get far better thrills just on a midnight hike through an old, sealed up turn of the century hospital.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 04:06pm

Or a cemetary. Or the old abandoned asylum down the street.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 04:09pm

you guys are adrenaline addicts.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 04:13pm

Whatver. I never hanmg out in cemetaries, and the asylum down the street gives me the creeps.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 04:18pm

Ok, Lagmonster is an adrenaline addict.

You, verilon, are just cool.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 04:18pm

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 04:29pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Ok, Lagmonster is an adrenaline addict.

Thanks, Kelly. Now people will think I hurl myself out of airplanes and off bridges for fun.

I'm actually not that adventurous any more. The internet has made it largely unnecessary for me to buy a plane ticket in order to see strange and unusual things.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-07 04:31pm

There's nothing wrong with being an adrenaline junkie.

And you're right. There are much more strange things on the internet than out in real life. Just look at Azeron for instance.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 04:31pm

*growl*

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-10-07 04:45pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:And you're right. There are much more strange things on the internet than out in real life. Just look at Azeron for instance.

I basically group everyone who voices an opinion into two categories: The ones who can do something about it and the ones who can't. Unless he can affect change with his bizarre political ideas, it doesn't matter to me what he says. Much like the recently-departed racists of WCOTC. They have no impact, so they have no value.

And back to the tempo of the thread, if any of you have interesting stories to share, I'd be happy to add them to the collection.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-07 04:48pm

verilon wrote:
Larz wrote:Verilon, you ask a question about supernatural stuff to a bunch of people who feel it is our soul pupose to destroy people who believe in debunk, illogical, irational chains of thought that cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Tarots and other future portraying methods work on the basis of vagueness. Is it entertaining, it can be, can it make a desicion for the better, perhaps, will it always work, no. Tarot only draws out vague similarities of all humans by chance of luck of draw and probability. It is then interperited and given to the one seeking the reading in vague bits to let them decipher for themselves and the reader, who then participates in a little psycoanalysis and points the troubled individual (that is usually the kind of people who go to fortune tellers in the first place) towards a path that seems to be the best for them, or just ends it there and leaves them to ponder the dusted off truths that they already knew or ponder how the hell probablity pulled up some of the cards. Vagueness, luck of draw, and the natural troubles and emotions of humans put in written meaning and attributed to each card, that is what tarot is. Fortune tellers are just psycoanalyzers who start very vague and home in on the situation by playing a mind trick that forces the individual to divulge all the information the teller wants. And palm reading is the same as tarot. Its all just Frued to me.
Haha! So you're sayin gthat every little symbol representing something in that person's life, and then connecting, is an irrational belief. I know for a fact that you, sir, have even had a Tarot reading before. And Tarot is not the "luck of the draw" you make it out to be. It is chance, yes, that these cards pop out and mean these things, but don't you think it is a bit eerie that they mean what they mean, considering what questions people ask? Palm reading, I dunno. I've never done palms.

I have had a tarot reading, and it was very vague and basically posed the question to me whether each thing was right or wrong. "You are unhappy in life" everyone is unhappy about something. "Success will come your way" what kind?, when?, it just puts the thought in the mind. I'm saying that tarot is nothing more but vague mind games that string along the weak minded to believe something that isn't really being told to them. They are making up the fortune, the teller only gives them ideas and tells them what they want to hear. "I have a peace, a constant"... last time I check my only constant was chaos, that is in no form a peace in my mind. It is vague, I could have been the happiest fundie in the world and that reading would have worked for me because the descriptions will work for anyone, "you will die" duh... "you will be happy in the future" enivitably, a happy moment will happen, so duh. The only erie part of it is that their are people out their who take the time to think about different respones that apply to all people and place these as interpertations of cards. Fortune telling of any sort is about as accurate as asking an eightball or pasting notes on a board and throwing darts at it to find out ones future. Vague for a reason, the only fortune telling being done by the mind of the one getting their fortune told. "You will find wealth in your work"..." WOW, I just got a new job, this stuff must be real!"

Mindgames Verilon, mindgames is all that it is.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-10-07 05:00pm

Larz--

You don't know who I am do you? Or are you just ploying that you don't to get your point across? Anyways, it's not mindgames...there are these "spots" of energy that enhance perception and intuition. And then there are your Guardians, who also help you. Some people, if you hang out with the right people, you will gain TREMENDOUS access to your intuitive powers...look at me for example. One year ago, I would never have thought that I could hae had this much going on inside of me. But as you said, your constant is chaos. That is also a lot like my life, but chaos can equal a sort of peace. As I said earlier in the thread, some people have natural block to this type of thing; maybe you are one of them.

All--

I just found out my moon sign--Pisces. I have no clue what Pisces traits are, except that it makes me a double water element. Libra is my Ascendant, and Virgo is my Descendant. Yes, I bring change, and I don't know too many Virgo traits. Or any, for that matter. But Cancer (Water), Pisces (Water), Libra (Air), Virgo (Earth). ALl my strongest Elements before Fire. Hm.