Man dressed as the devil disrupts ‘Passion’ movie

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2004-03-02 01:32pm

Darth_Zod wrote:damnit. now i've got an idea of creating something like say. . ."The Jesus Christ Picture Show". we'll get the audience to dress in costume and re-enact scenes in the movie. and it'll be a musical, like the rocky horror picture show!

You mean like Jesus Christ, Superstar?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2004-03-02 01:34pm

I posted the following on a Christian BBS:

Matthew 5
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

Romans 12
17Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. 18If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"says the Lord. 20On the contrary:
"If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head."21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Which of these did the woman who was supposed to be a servant of Christ follow? I do hold those who claim to serve Christ to a much higher standard than those who are lost. It is not surprising to me that a young man without Christ would behave in an ill manner, but it is very disappointing to read of those who claim to follow Christ throwing His teachings out the window when they become annoyed.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-02 01:36pm

Iceberg wrote:No, he "only" went out with the express intention of causing a public disturbance. Trying to anger people and ruin their moviegoing experience. BY HIS OWN WORDS, he was trolling for a reaction. He wasn't there to enjoy the movie, just to bother people.

he was wearing a costume. admittedly it's something i'd find a bit odd at a movie, but he didn't actively do anything else. it's not as though he was going into a church, it was a fucking movie. if people get so upset about something so simple it's their own damn fault.

Cornelius · Post by **Cornelius** » 2004-03-02 01:37pm

You're seriously equating throwing candy at the guy with beating the shit out of him? How weak is your constitution, anyway?

Actually you are right. I should have said throwing candy at them.

Cornelius · Post by **Cornelius** » 2004-03-02 01:39pm

No, he "only" went out with the express intention of causing a public disturbance. Trying to anger people and ruin their moviegoing experience. BY HIS OWN WORDS, he was trolling for a reaction. He wasn't there to enjoy the movie, just to bother people.

Doesn't give them the right to batter him and assault him (which they probably did if they gave him nasty comments, which is assault). It is their fault for being so gullible into falling into the trap.

Still, they had no right to do what they did, after all, Satan is part of their religion, and religion is protected.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-03-02 01:50pm

Cornelius wrote:Doesn't give them the right to batter him and assault him (which they probably did if they gave him nasty comments, which is assault). It is their fault for being so gullible into falling into the trap.

If one takes actions with the intent of inciting others, one is responsible for the consequences of that incitement.

Still, they had no right to do what they did, after all, Satan is part of their religion, and religion is protected.

Being an ass at a movie isn't protected, though.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2004-03-02 02:01pm

Not strictly on-topic, but here are a few useful phrases in Aramaic:

Shbuuq shuukhaaraa deel. Man ethnaggad udamshaa?
Sorry I'm late, have I missed any scourging?

Een, yuudaayaa naa, ellaa b-haw yawmaa laa hweeth ba-mdeetaa.
Yes i'm Jewish, but I wasn't there on the day.

Aykaa beyt tadkeetha? Zaaeq lee d-ashkeeg eeday men perdey deushaanaayey.
Where is the bathroom? I need to wash my hands of this popcorn.

Feelmaa haakaa tpeelaw froo'lee ksef dmaa!
This film is terrible-I want my blood money back!

Ayleyn enun oorquey?
Which ones are the Orcs?

CrimsonRaine · Post by **CrimsonRaine** » 2004-03-02 02:12pm

I don't know. I was non-too-impressed by this article. It was something that was kind of expected.

Now the woman who had a heartattack opening night. When's the last time you heard about that, eh?

Crimson Raine

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-02 02:40pm

Iceberg wrote:If one takes actions with the intent of inciting others, one is responsible for the consequences of that incitement.

what action? he wore a fucking costume. if it was any other movie he would've been looked at funny but otherwise left alone.

Being an ass at a movie isn't protected, though.

how is wearing a costume to a movie being an ass? it might've been done to see what kind of reaction he'd get, sure. but it's not as though movie theaters have very strict dress code policies. so long as he's wearing a shirt, shoes, and pants, or the equivalent, they could care less what else he has on.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-03-02 02:55pm

Darth_Zod wrote:
Iceberg wrote:If one takes actions with the intent of inciting others, one is responsible for the consequences of that incitement.
what action? he wore a fucking costume. if it was any other movie he would've been looked at funny but otherwise left alone.

Are you completely or just partially lacking in reading comprehension? He wore a devil costume with the intent of using it to incite others. He said so himself.

Being an ass at a movie isn't protected, though.
how is wearing a costume to a movie being an ass? it might've been done to see what kind of reaction he'd get, sure. but it's not as though movie theaters have very strict dress code policies. so long as he's wearing a shirt, shoes, and pants, or the equivalent, they could care less what else he has on.

It is INTENT and CONTEXT that define incitement, not the act itself.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-02 04:01pm

Iceberg wrote:He wore a devil costume with the intent of using it to incite others. He said so himself.

Actually, he went in order to prove that Christians can act like assholes when you offend them, despite all of the "peace" and "love" rhetoric. He was right.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-02 04:26pm

*Snort* The guy should talk. He's a grade A asshole himself.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-03-02 04:30pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Iceberg wrote:He wore a devil costume with the intent of using it to incite others. He said so himself.
Actually, he went in order to prove that Christians can act like assholes when you offend them, despite all of the "peace" and "love" rhetoric. He was right.

Do you deny that this guy spent something like forty-five to sixty-five bucks to go to a movie he neither liked nor wanted to like in order to offend people? Regardless of what point he wanted to prove, that pretty handily qualifies in my book under "going out of your way to piss people off."

Tasoth · Post by **Tasoth** » 2004-03-02 04:32pm

He may be in the wrong for wearing the devil costume, but he shouldn't have been treated as he was. Harsh words I could see, but pelted by candy and pop just because he wore something is beyond comprehension, especially from 'christians'. Sad that in a supposedly free country, this kind of thing is let happen.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2004-03-02 05:31pm

This raises an interesting question. Is someone an asshole for doing something that's passive and would only piss someone off if he is himself an uptight asshole? I say no.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2004-03-02 05:37pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:This raises an interesting question. Is someone an asshole for doing something that's passive and would only piss someone off if he is himself an uptight asshole? I say no.

Unless he had a devil costume lying around, he probably spent between thirty and fifty bucks to rent or buy the costume, plus about fifteen for ticket and concessions. Spending that much money to make a statement about a movie you don't even like is not "passive."

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-03-02 05:38pm

The kid was an asshole, and the moviegoers who were pelting him with food and whatnot weren't a bit better than him.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-03-02 05:47pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Idea!

Get me one of those Landover Baptist "ATHEIST" shirts, and wear it to the Passion.

That's asking for massive annoyance as people try to use the film to convert you at best, or an invitation for a lynching at worst depending on where you live. I know for a fact that the With One Accord ministry is based in Iowa, and their boss man writes essays for Jack Chick's website. Think about that.

Someone tries to convert me, I'll reduce them to tears. I doubt anyone less than a priest/deacon/whathaveyou would be able to bring about an arguement I couldn't shoot down, and if there was a priest or whatever, I'd pop a question while he was still sidling up to me. ("How do you know Satan didn't write the Bible?" is a good one.)

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-03-02 07:42pm

Darth_Zod wrote:damnit. now i've got an idea of creating something like say. . ."The Jesus Christ Picture Show". we'll get the audience to dress in costume and re-enact scenes in the movie. and it'll be a musical, like the rocky horror picture show!

We need a Jesus kickline.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-03-02 08:01pm

More Fun With Arameic!

B-kheeruut re'yaaneyh laa kaaley tsuuraathaa khteepaathaa, ellaa Zaynaa Mqatlaanaa Trayaanaa laytaw!
It may be uncompromising in its liberal use of graphic violence, but Lethal Weapon II it ain't.

Da'ek teleyfoon methta'naanaak, pquud. Guudaapaw!
Please turn off your mobile phone. It is blasphemous.

Shbuuq shuukhaaraa deel. Man ethnaggad udamshaa?
Sorry I'm late. Have I missed any scourging?

Aykaa beyt tadkeetha? Zaadeq lee d-asheeg eeday men perdey devshaanaayey haaleyn!
Where is the loo? I need to wash my hands of this popcorn.

Een, Yuudaayaa naa, ellaa b-haw yawmaa laa hweeth ba-mdeetaa.
Yes, I'm Jewish, but I wasn't there that day.

Demketh! Udamaa lemath mtaynan b-tash'eetha d-khashey?
I fell asleep! What station of the cross are we up to?

Ma'hed lee qalleel d-Khayey d-Breeyaan, ellaa dlaa gukhkaa.
It sort of reminds me of Life of Brian, but it's nowhere near as funny.

Ktaabaa taab hwaa

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meneyh.
It's not as good as the book.

Puuee men Preeshey, puuee!
Boo, Pharisees! Boo!

Etheeth l-khubeh 'almeenaayaa d-Maaran Yeshu Msheekhaa, ella faasheth metool Moneeqaa Belluushee!
I came for the everlasting love of our Lord Jesus Christ, but I stayed for Monica Bellucci.

Aamar naa laak dlaa yaada' naa haw gavraa. B-aynaa feelmaa hwaa?
I tell you I do not know the man. What's he been in?

Feelmaa haanaa tpeelaw! Proo' lee ksef dmaa!
This film is terrible. I want my blood-money back.

D-tetbuun deyn men yameen u-men semaal, la hwaat deel l-metal, ellaa l-ayleyn da-mtaybaa.
To sit at my right or my left is not for me to grant; it is for those to whom it has already been assigned.

Saabar naa da-mhaymen beh, ellaa la haymneth b-haw meemsaa d-beh.
I suppose I believe in Him, but I didn't believe him in it.

Saggee shapeer! Laa tsaabey naa d-esakkey l-mapaqtaa trayaanaaytaa.
Brilliant! I can't wait for the sequel (second coming).

Eeth lee 'ayney, ellaa layt lee d-ekhzey la-kteebaataa takhtaayaataa. Neqruuv leh?
I have eyes but I cannot see the subtitles. Can we sit closer?

Ayleyn enuun Oorqey?
Which ones are the Orcs?

Laa, haw Shem'uun Qooreenaayaa eethaw! Ezdar!
No, that's Simon of Cyrene! Pay attention!

Waay! Haw 'aalmeenaayaa hwaa!
Well, that was eternal.

Lebba deel daaleq, ellaa teezaa deel daamek.
My heart is on fire, but my bum is asleep.

Enaa mqatreg naa l-Ruumaayey.
I blame the Romans.

Tev attuun men qdaamaa!
Down in front!

B-zabnaa d-qeenduunos, tayyeb lkuun uurkhaa d-mapaqtaa.
In case of emergency, prepare ye the way of the exit.

Laa baakey naa-eeth gelaa b-'ayna deel.
I'm not crying; I've just got a mote in my eye.

Spreet mets'aayaa deelaak huu. [Or, if addressed to a woman, Spreet mets'aayaa deelek huu!]
Thine is the medium Sprite.

Peletaa kuullaah da-Qraabay Kawkbey.
It's all an allegory of Star Wars.

Shluukh kleelaa d-kuubayk, pquud. Laa meshkakh naa d-ekhzey l-ketaan tsuur- aathaa.
Could you take off your crown of thorns, please? I can't see the screen.

Baseem, ellaa saabar naa d-etstebeeth yateer b-Lebeh d-Gabaaraa!
Not bad, but I think I preferred Braveheart.

Source

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-02 08:51pm

Rogue 9 wrote:*Snort* The guy should talk. He's a grade A asshole himself.

No, I'd say grade B or C at best. He didn't throw anything at anyone. He didn't disrupt any activities or forcibly interject himself into anything. His behaviour was strictly passive. It is conceptually not much different from a female walking around in a Muslim nation wearing a T-shirt, and I don't see people screaming that women who try that are bitches (foolish perhaps, but not bitches).

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2004-03-02 08:54pm

Ok, doing something like this is just asking for trouble. Why didn't he just put a big bulls-eye on his shirt. I'm not saying that the movie go-ers had a right to spill coke on him but there is a line that sould not be crossed. It's not ok for me to make fun of jew, blacks, asians, muslims, budists, or hindus, but it's ok for someone (almost everyone on this board) to make fun of christians?!?! Talk about your double standards...

BTW, I don't think that it was everyone in the theater throwing things. I know that the Christian friends would just ignore or even just walk out. Plus, it was just one person spilling the coke.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-02 08:56pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:*Snort* The guy should talk. He's a grade A asshole himself.
No, I'd say grade B or C at best. He didn't throw anything at anyone. He didn't disrupt any activities or forcibly interject himself into anything. His behaviour was strictly passive. It is conceptually not much different from a female walking around in a Muslim nation wearing a T-shirt, and I don't see people screaming that women who try that are bitches (foolish perhaps, but not bitches).

Mike, you missed the part where I'm from outside Evansville and knew this guy in high school. Trust me, he's a Grade A asshole.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-02 08:58pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Mike, you missed the part where I'm from outside Evansville and knew this guy in high school. Trust me, he's a Grade A asshole.

That may well be, but the point remains that this determination cannot be made solely on the basis of him walking around in a devil costume at a fundie gathering.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-02 09:01pm

Lt. Dan wrote:Ok, doing something like this is just asking for trouble. Why didn't he just put a big bulls-eye on his shirt. I'm not saying that the movie go-ers had a right to spill coke on him but there is a line that sould not be crossed.

What is that line, and why should it not be crossed?

It's not ok for me to make fun of jew, blacks, asians, muslims, budists, or hindus, but it's ok for someone (almost everyone on this board) to make fun of christians?!?! Talk about your double standards...

Bullshit. There's a difference between making fun of people and making fun of ideas. A religion is nothing but an idea, and ideas are fair game.

BTW, I don't think that it was everyone in the theater throwing things. I know that the Christian friends would just ignore or even just walk out. Plus, it was just one person spilling the coke.

Easy for you to say here, but there is this thing called "mob mentality" which makes people behave more aggressively, and with less respect for principles. Besides, the article seemed to imply that the reaction was fairly disruptive.