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Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-16 11:49pm

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:It was dragging perhaps, but informative on the status of Oceania. Verilon, you think the Brotherhood actually has a genuine book?
What? Oh, I italicized the wrong part, btw. Meant to italicize. The Book.

I know that, O'Brien wrote The Book I was thinking if the brotherhood has an actual book, and not the Ministry's Version.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-16 11:50pm

Temjin wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote:
Temjin wrote:Three pages so far and there's only one other vote for Orson Scot Card
I've not read any of his books, but I don't care for him as a person. OSC is a complete asshole. He thinks the world revolves around him.
Where the hell did you get that?

I remember someone else on this board living in the same town and OSC condescending to every other writer on the planet in the local paper.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-16 11:51pm

Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:It was dragging perhaps, but informative on the status of Oceania. Verilon, you think the Brotherhood actually has a genuine book?
What? Oh, I italicized the wrong part, btw. Meant to italicize. The Book.
I know that, O'Brien wrote The Book I was thinking if the brotherhood has an actual book, and not the Ministry's Version.

Hmm.....It's a possibility. I thought The Book was the Brotherhood's?

Temjin · Post by **Temjin** » 2002-11-16 11:51pm

verilon wrote:
Temjin wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote: I've not read any of his books, but I don't care for him as a person. OSC is a complete asshole. He thinks the world revolves around him.
Where the hell did you get that?
I remember someone else on this board living in the same town and OSC condescending to every other writer on the planet in the local paper.

Well, that's new to me.......

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-16 11:52pm

Temjin wrote: I've not read any of his books, but I don't care for him as a person. OSC is a complete asshole. He thinks the world revolves around him.

Where the hell did you get that?[/quote]

From OSC himself. I happen to live near him. He has a column in a local weekly paper. Condescending ass.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-16 11:53pm

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote: What? Oh, I italicized the wrong part, btw. Meant to italicize. The Book.
I know that, O'Brien wrote The Book I was thinking if the brotherhood has an actual book, and not the Ministry's Version.
Hmm.....It's a possibility. I thought The Book was the Brotherhood's?

No, O'Brien wrote it too make others like Winston feel safe, lure them in. The Brotherhood's Book was never shown atleast the real one.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-11-16 11:54pm

verilon wrote:
I remember someone else on this board living in the same town and OSC condescending to every other writer on the planet in the local paper.

That would be me.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-16 11:55pm

Captain Lennox wrote:No, O'Brien wrote it too make others like Winston feel safe, lure them in. The Brotherhood's Book was never shown atleast the real one.

Or was it for the sole purpose of condemning people to Room 101, thus brainwashing them even more? Hm.....I dun think that the Brotherhood would have a Book, at least not on the level of O'Brien's, but maybe there is one?

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-16 11:56pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:
verilon wrote:I remember someone else on this board living in the same town and OSC condescending to every other writer on the planet in the local paper.
That would be me.

Selective memory can be a good thing....

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-17 12:00am

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:No, O'Brien wrote it too make others like Winston feel safe, lure them in. The Brotherhood's Book was never shown atleast the real one.
Or was it for the sole purpose of condemning people to Room 101, thus brainwashing them even more? Hm.....I dun think that the Brotherhood would have a Book, at least not on the level of O'Brien's, but maybe there is one?

Yeah, basically Verilon, suck in the undesirables. and if the Brotherhoo has a Book it would be a philoshopical, thats knida how Winston knew the book wasn't Goldstein's. asnd for some strange reason I think Goldstein is Big Brother.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-17 12:02am

Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:No, O'Brien wrote it too make others like Winston feel safe, lure them in. The Brotherhood's Book was never shown atleast the real one.
Or was it for the sole purpose of condemning people to Room 101, thus brainwashing them even more? Hm.....I dun think that the Brotherhood would have a Book, at least not on the level of O'Brien's, but maybe there is one?
Yeah, basically Verilon, suck in the undesirables. and if the Brotherhoo has a Book it would be a philoshopical, thats knida how Winston knew the book wasn't Goldstein's. asnd for some strange reason I think Goldstein is Big Brother.

Hm. That is quite the possibility. But then again, anything is possible. I think that there is no BB, and it's just a figurehead. The feudalist society of the place is overrated. The Inner Party controls everything the Outer Party does, and the proles just don't matter; they're expendable.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-17 12:07am

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote: Or was it for the sole purpose of condemning people to Room 101, thus brainwashing them even more? Hm.....I dun think that the Brotherhood would have a Book, at least not on the level of O'Brien's, but maybe there is one?
Yeah, basically Verilon, suck in the undesirables. and if the Brotherhoo has a Book it would be a philoshopical, thats knida how Winston knew the book wasn't Goldstein's. asnd for some strange reason I think Goldstein is Big Brother.
Hm. That is quite the possibility. But then again, anything is possible. I think that there is no BB, and it's just a figurehead. The feudalist society of the place is overrated. The Inner Party controls everything the Outer Party does, and the proles just don't matter; they're expendable.

Perhaps, though I'm subscribing too the 'without a figurehed' stance again, I duuno why. The proles aren't as expanable as you think. They are in number, but not in ideology the Outer Party needs a morale outrage too keep them going. Otherwise the Proles would be mostly n he Outer Party.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-17 12:08am

Captain Lennox wrote:Perhaps, though I'm subscribing too the 'without a figurehed' stance again, I duuno why. The proles aren't as expanable as you think. They are in number, but not in ideology the Outer Party needs a morale outrage too keep them going. Otherwise the Proles would be mostly n he Outer Party.

True. The proles do have some meaning to them; without them, the Outer Party would *be* the proles. What to you think happened to Winston, afterwards, anyways?

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-17 12:13am

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:Perhaps, though I'm subscribing too the 'without a figurehed' stance again, I duuno why. The proles aren't as expanable as you think. They are in number, but not in ideology the Outer Party needs a morale outrage too keep them going. Otherwise the Proles would be mostly n he Outer Party.
True. The proles do have some meaning to them; without them, the Outer Party would *be* the proles. What to you think happened to Winston, afterwards, anyways?

If, they'd hadn't shot him? 3 words: Jones, Aaronson, and Rutherford. Simple as that just a shell, doing menial work somewhere until the Thought Police got back too him, unless he manage too swim across too Eurasia, but I doubt he would get tha close too the coast before they got him.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-17 12:14am

Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:Perhaps, though I'm subscribing too the 'without a figurehed' stance again, I duuno why. The proles aren't as expanable as you think. They are in number, but not in ideology the Outer Party needs a morale outrage too keep them going. Otherwise the Proles would be mostly n he Outer Party.
True. The proles do have some meaning to them; without them, the Outer Party would *be* the proles. What to you think happened to Winston, afterwards, anyways?
If, they'd hadn't shot him? 3 words: Joes, Aaronson, and Rutherford. Simple as that just a shell, doing menial work somewhere until the Thought Police got back too him, unless he manage too swim across too Eurasia, but I doubt he would get tha close too the coast beore they got him.

Waitwaitwait....when did they shoot him? IIRC, he walked away (with Julia?).

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-17 12:17am

verilon wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:
verilon wrote: True. The proles do have some meaning to them; without them, the Outer Party would *be* the proles. What to you think happened to Winston, afterwards, anyways?
If, they'd hadn't shot him? 3 words: Joes, Aaronson, and Rutherford. Simple as that just a shell, doing menial work somewhere until the Thought Police got back too him, unless he manage too swim across too Eurasia, but I doubt he would get tha close too the coast beore they got him.
Waitwaitwait....when did they shoot him? IIRC, he walked away (with Julia?).

"And so the long awaited bullet entered my brain" the last page. Best part of the book right there.

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-17 12:19am

Captain Lennox wrote:"And so the long awaited bullet entered my brain" the last page. Best part of the book right there.

Damn...I must have missed that.....It's been three years since I read it, I need to go pick it up again...

Post by **haas mark** » 2002-11-17 12:34am

Whoever wrote Watership Down was a very good writer....I can't remembe rthe name for the life of me though.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2002-11-17 12:41am

verilon wrote:Whoever wrote Watership Down was a very good writer....I can't remembe rthe name for the life of me though.

It looks like Richard Adam from here and I'm too lazy to walk over to the bookshelf.

Post by **Zaia** » 2002-11-17 12:45am

Crap! Forgot Joseph Heller: 'Catch-22' and Ken Kesey: 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' & 'Sometimes A Great Notion.'

I know my choices aren't sci-fi, but these are my faves.... *shrug* Sorry.

PS: Ver, I think Richard Adams wrote 'Watership Down.' I think.