Ever been in a fight??

[Stuart Mackey]

How about dislocating their knee? that way you dont risk being arrested for carrying a conceled weapon {in NZ}. Besides, unless you know how to use a weapon properly, and when, having one can be a disadvantage. Its better to know good unarmed techniques, that way you draw less attention to yourself.

Don't know about NZ, but you can still go to jail for blowing a perp's knee out in Canada unless the perp has a weapon of some sort or he's a lot bigger than you, of if you're a girl. We have something here known as "excessive force" and they can stick various assault charges on top of that even when the perp is proven to be the aggressor. Chances are with a decent lawyer you can beat the charges, but it's still a hassle and then some.

Knowing unarmed techniques is good, but one should also be familiar with weapons so as to know how they're used and how to defend against them. As for carrying weapons, I'll always have a couple knives on me, and various common tools or objects that can be used as improvised weapons. Stuff like a Maglite AA flashlight or a good steel pen can be used as effective fistloads without drawing undue attention. For more info and ideas refer to http://donrearic.com/main.html.

In NZ if some bugger wants to pick a fight with you, a swift dislocation is fine. excessive force only kicks in when you start to stove in the ribs. It depends on the person however, Skinny guy like me should getaway with it cause I look totally weak and harmless. One thing you dont do in NZ is carry a weapon in a fight as it will send you to jail regardles of who started the fight.

[Stuart Mackey]

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What Don Rearic leans towards is effective self-defence that can be learned without years of commitment and constant training, that is where he's coming from.

I practiced CQC, this is millitary type stuff and is taught in a millitary manner. As such it is quick and brutal. There are no belts, no bowing and there are no mid to high kicks. It uses the scientific method to develop techniques, as such it is not static. You train in street wear, because thats what you will fight in on the stret or in the pub or what have you.
It was developed by the millitary, British, New Zealand, America, Australia, during the 1930's onwards.

I went to an Akido class a few weeks ago, and so much of it seemed utterly pointless, insofar as the training gear, etc, and the training culture, not nessarily the moves themselves, lacked realism.
I actually did Kung Fu some years ago and I learned more in one week of CQC than three months of Kung Fu. There was no pycological conditioning for being in a fight.
This is not to diss traditional martial arts, but just how I see them.

As such I am a firm beliver in 'Fight as you train, train as you fight'. Always look for more effective techniques and discard those which are of dubious value, anything less is a waste of time.
That was a good link as well, thanks

[Hyperion]

btw, one reason i prefer to be heavily armed is the way i'm built, i've got full symmetric double joints, wrists, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees (lock against kneecap), and ankles... problem with the dang things is that they give me a crap load of flexibility over a normal person, but at a horrendous cost, too easy to damage and the joints wear out very quickly under the undue strain of even normal operation, i already have arthritis in several joints and i'm only 19. this is one reason i also rely heavily on a "take first shot, then return fire and finish it" policy, that first hit from the other guy will be allowed, after that i have to complete it because one hit to any of the joints will disable it, potentially for good.

btw, this is also why i'm a natural with a staff, it feels right, and makes me an unholy horror with that weapon (have been told such when i was sparring against another guy with a staff at an SCA event)

[XPViking]

I practiced CQC, this is millitary type stuff and is taught in a millitary manner. As such it is quick and brutal. There are no belts, no bowing and there are no mid to high kicks. It uses the scientific method to develop techniques, as such it is not static. You train in street wear, because thats what you will fight in on the stret or in the pub or what have you.
It was developed by the millitary, British, New Zealand, America, Australia, during the 1930's onwards. - Stuart Mackey

Does one have to join the military to learn CQC Stuart?

XPViking

[Next of Kin]

Aerius wrote:

For example, in a fight at grappling distance between a TKD and Judo practitioner will likely end up with the TKD guy flat on the floor, while at range the TKD guy will have the advantage.

If they're both experienced fighters then they'll know what to do in order to stop a kicking attack or a throwing technique. I don't favour any particular style over another when I'm close or further away. What ever works will work.

[Next of Kin]

By Aerius:

Put a Krav Maga student up against a Aikido student after a month and the Aikido student will get his ass ruined.

You'll never know the outcome of a fight unless you pit those two individuals with those skills together. Depending on the people fighting, the outcome could favour the Aikido style or the Krav Maga Style. I'll say it again, I don't favour one art over the other, it is the student and the instructor that makes the difference!

After one month in Yoshinkan Aikido, a student should have learned how to throw punches to face, neck, and body; block punches to face, neck, and body; strike between the eyes, the side of the temple, the kidneys, and the groin; knife strike to the kidneys, wrist, stomach, and neck.Those are damn effective places to strike! I don't care who the target is but a good strike to the kidneys is going to double them over and cause them to piss blood for a couple of days. Krav Maga looks like a cool art and it is very serious. Both arts have the same goal in mind: subdue your opponent as quickly as possible

[Next of Kin]

I practiced CQC, this is millitary type stuff and is taught in a millitary manner. As such it is quick and brutal. There are no belts, no bowing and there are no mid to high kicks. It uses the scientific method to develop techniques, as such it is not static. You train in street wear, because thats what you will fight in on the stret or in the pub or what have you.
It was developed by the millitary, British, New Zealand, America, Australia, during the 1930's onwards.

I went to an Akido class a few weeks ago, and so much of it seemed utterly pointless, insofar as the training gear, etc, and the training culture, not nessarily the moves themselves, lacked realism.

It might sound funny but that is how my Aikido instructor comes to class--in track pants and sweater, rarely does he wear a dogi. That's too bad that your Aikido class was a waste so that is why you need to find a good club with a great instructor. The misconception with Aikido is that it is a limp-dick (to quote Arminius) martial art. Only a fool would believe that. Yes! Some of the motions look unbelieveable because very little power is put into the motion. If you felt that it lacked realism then why didn't you speak up and ask the instructor about freestyle techniques or self-defense techniques?

[Lord Pounder]

I live in Belfast, i've been involved in riots that'd make ur toes curl. I can handel myself, but those bastard police have guns and dogs.

[Next of Kin]

I live in Belfast, i've been involved in riots that'd make ur toes curl. I can handel myself, but those bastard police have guns and dogs.

With a name like Darth Pounder you sound like one mean dude or you just like to pound back the ale!

[Evil Sadistic Bastard]

I live in Belfast, i've been involved in riots that'd make ur toes curl. I can handel myself, but those bastard police have guns and dogs.

With a name like Darth Pounder you sound like one mean dude or you just like to pound back the ale!

I figured he'd be from Belfast. Here's to your health (clinks glass)

[Stuart Mackey]

I practiced CQC, this is millitary type stuff and is taught in a millitary manner. As such it is quick and brutal. There are no belts, no bowing and there are no mid to high kicks. It uses the scientific method to develop techniques, as such it is not static. You train in street wear, because thats what you will fight in on the stret or in the pub or what have you.
It was developed by the millitary, British, New Zealand, America, Australia, during the 1930's onwards. - Stuart Mackey

Does one have to join the military to learn CQC Stuart?

XPViking

No, but I am not sure where it is taught outside of Aussie/NZ.
Heh, I am reminded of the time I trained against some Army infantry NCO's. I got my ass handed to me 95% of the time. lol, but hey, they had trained as instructors. But it goes to show, if the other guy is bigger than you, stonger and knows the same stuff as you, you gonna be whipped.

[Stuart Mackey]

btw, one reason i prefer to be heavily armed is the way i'm built, i've got full symmetric double joints, wrists, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees (lock against kneecap), and ankles... problem with the dang things is that they give me a crap load of flexibility over a normal person, but at a horrendous cost, too easy to damage and the joints wear out very quickly under the undue strain of even normal operation, i already have arthritis in several joints and i'm only 19. snip

You poor bastard, athristis at 19. You have my sympathys.

[Stuart Mackey]

I practiced CQC, this is millitary type stuff and is taught in a millitary manner. As such it is quick and brutal. There are no belts, no bowing and there are no mid to high kicks. It uses the scientific method to develop techniques, as such it is not static. You train in street wear, because thats what you will fight in on the stret or in the pub or what have you.
It was developed by the millitary, British, New Zealand, America, Australia, during the 1930's onwards.

I went to an Akido class a few weeks ago, and so much of it seemed utterly pointless, insofar as the training gear, etc, and the training culture, not nessarily the moves themselves, lacked realism.

It might sound funny but that is how my Aikido instructor comes to class--in track pants and sweater, rarely does he wear a dogi. That's too bad that your Aikido class was a waste so that is why you need to find a good club with a great instructor. The misconception with Aikido is that it is a limp-dick (to quote Arminius) martial art. Only a fool would believe that. Yes! Some of the motions look unbelieveable because very little power is put into the motion. If you felt that it lacked realism then why didn't you speak up and ask the instructor about freestyle techniques or self-defense techniques?

Trouble where I am is the lack of choice. I dont doubt that Aikido can be effective, but my issue was the culture of it. I could have spoken up, but my experience ans that of some freinds is that, I am one person, they are not about to change for me.

[Hyperion]

btw, one reason i prefer to be heavily armed is the way i'm built, i've got full symmetric double joints, wrists, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees (lock against kneecap), and ankles... problem with the dang things is that they give me a crap load of flexibility over a normal person, but at a horrendous cost, too easy to damage and the joints wear out very quickly under the undue strain of even normal operation, i already have arthritis in several joints and i'm only 19. snip

You poor bastard, athristis at 19. You have my sympathys.

get's bloody friggin' irritating with washington state's weather, cold and wet sucks, that's when my knees start bugging out on me...and the fingers.

outside of probably being rather well fucked up by 30, it's not too bad of a problem... the extra flexability is very nice on occasion. for example i *CANNOT* be hogtied or handcuffed. the neighbor learned this when he was teaching his son how to tie someone up (i volunteered just cause it's fun ) freaked them both out real good when i just flipped over and knawed thru the ropes and tape. not to mention when i dislocated the shoulders and compressed the wrists to get out of the handcuffs...

[Stuart Mackey]

btw, one reason i prefer to be heavily armed is the way i'm built, i've got full symmetric double joints, wrists, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees (lock against kneecap), and ankles... problem with the dang things is that they give me a crap load of flexibility over a normal person, but at a horrendous cost, too easy to damage and the joints wear out very quickly under the undue strain of even normal operation, i already have arthritis in several joints and i'm only 19. snip

You poor bastard, athristis at 19. You have my sympathys.

get's bloody friggin' irritating with washington state's weather, cold and wet sucks, that's when my knees start bugging out on me...and the fingers.

outside of probably being rather well fucked up by 30, it's not too bad of a problem... the extra flexability is very nice on occasion. for example i *CANNOT* be hogtied or handcuffed. the neighbor learned this when he was teaching his son how to tie someone up (i volunteered just cause it's fun ) freaked them both out real good when i just flipped over and knawed thru the ropes and tape. not to mention when i dislocated the shoulders and compressed the wrists to get out of the handcuffs...

That is freaky.

[weemadando]

Does one have to join the military to learn CQC Stuart?

Just find yourself a free-form fighting or sparring club.

Or start one yourself. In the one myself and some friends started everyone brought along martial arts experience. And all but one lost to me (this guy got me a king-hit when I was coming up out of a failed grapple move) because I had genuine fighting experience. Its a great way to learn just how good your stuff really is.

[Next of Kin]

Does one have to join the military to learn CQC Stuart?

Just find yourself a free-form fighting or sparring club.

Or start one yourself. In the one myself and some friends started everyone brought along martial arts experience. And all but one lost to me (this guy got me a king-hit when I was coming up out of a failed grapple move) because I had genuine fighting experience. Its a great way to learn just how good your stuff really is.

I was peeking through Gozo Shioda's new book and he used to test his aikido by going down to brothels and picking some fights with the Japanese mafia men to test his techniques.

[Exonerate]

I think there was some Philippino/Malaysian fighting style...

[Next of Kin]

I think there was some Philippino/Malaysian fighting style...

continue...

[Hyperion]

You poor bastard, athristis at 19. You have my sympathys.

get's bloody friggin' irritating with washington state's weather, cold and wet sucks, that's when my knees start bugging out on me...and the fingers.

outside of probably being rather well fucked up by 30, it's not too bad of a problem... the extra flexability is very nice on occasion. for example i *CANNOT* be hogtied or handcuffed. the neighbor learned this when he was teaching his son how to tie someone up (i volunteered just cause it's fun ) freaked them both out real good when i just flipped over and knawed thru the ropes and tape. not to mention when i dislocated the shoulders and compressed the wrists to get out of the handcuffs...

That is freaky.

just a wee bit. it's even worse when i demonstrate it in person. i've caused some of the more squeamish people to upchuck. if i didn't have the damage to my back i'd be even worse, as it is my back is about as flexible as a metal rod. the damage is the legacy of a little pissing match i got into with a teacher in 2nd grade, damned 250# gorilla jumped[/i] on my back after he threw me to the floor. the resulting crack sound actually echoed on the walls, and very obviously i didn't get up under my own power for a good while. (btw, i was only about 45# at the time). i was lucky that it was technically a dislocation and minor bruising of the spine. the doctor did find evidence of it last year during a physical when i told him about the back problems. i had not gone to the doctor about it years ago as by the end of the day i was able to move the legs again.

[Stuart Mackey]

Does one have to join the military to learn CQC Stuart?

Just find yourself a free-form fighting or sparring club.

Or start one yourself. In the one myself and some friends started everyone brought along martial arts experience. And all but one lost to me (this guy got me a king-hit when I was coming up out of a failed grapple move) because I had genuine fighting experience. Its a great way to learn just how good your stuff really is.

It is best to be taught by those who have a few years of some seriously hard fighting under their belt, esp if you are a teen or early twentys. More imortaintly it is best to be tauight by those who can train you in the psycology {sp?}of close combat which I something that seems to be lacking in a lot of martial arts. Ultimatly a bunch of kids with a two or three years expereience is not the same as being taught by people who have decades of street fighting/brawling or even battlefield experience.

[weemadando]

It is best to be taught by those who have a few years of some seriously hard fighting under their belt, esp if you are a teen or early twentys. More imortaintly it is best to be tauight by those who can train you in the psycology {sp?}of close combat which I something that seems to be lacking in a lot of martial arts. Ultimatly a bunch of kids with a two or three years expereience is not the same as being taught by people who have decades of street fighting/brawling or even battlefield experience.

Kung fu looks nice. In a fight its pretty damn pointless. I'll just tackle you to the ground and bite your fucking nose off.

[Stuart Mackey]

It is best to be taught by those who have a few years of some seriously hard fighting under their belt, esp if you are a teen or early twentys. More imortaintly it is best to be tauight by those who can train you in the psycology {sp?}of close combat which I something that seems to be lacking in a lot of martial arts. Ultimatly a bunch of kids with a two or three years expereience is not the same as being taught by people who have decades of street fighting/brawling or even battlefield experience.

Kung fu looks nice. In a fight its pretty damn pointless. I'll just tackle you to the ground and bite your fucking nose off.

true enough. Its important to look at fighting as a science and apply the scientific method to it, which is why I fail to see the point in 19th century training uniforms, taking off your shoes etc, its just not realistic.
BTW, dont put your head down in a fight, lest some bugger like me chops the back of your neck, which would fuck you completly, ie paralysis/death.
Oh yeah, dont underestimate Kung Fu and some of the Asian martial arts as some of them are practical, or at least train properly. With Kung Fu a lot of the western schools are soft poor imitations of how it should be. My flattie has been doing KF for more than 15 years, most of that in Russia and what we have is childs play by comparison, over there its practical and the training is hard.