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CBS and I believe MTV are both showing it tonight at ten.

Holy crap, that was fucking sweet! Nice new costume for Green Goblin II. The whole alien symbiont thing looks interesting.

The movie looks like garbage. As was the second.

I didn't catch the trailer. So who is the kindly mentor who befriends Peter only to betray him and turn into a super-villain this time? And how much teen angst will we have to sit through?

ifilms has it now:

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At work so haven't seen it.

The trailer has been posted online.

Here are my reactions. There are no spoilers outside of anything you can see in the trailer, but if you don't want to know anything, then don't read further.



-Looks like the Sandman is no throwaway, "goon" villain as many people speculated. Now he's being retconned into Uncle Ben's REAL killer. A major plot is that Peter wants revenge on this guy. And people thought there would be no problems fitting him, Harry, and the symbiote all in one movie.

-The symbiote costume looks like the main focus of the movie. At least it's tied to the Sandman plot, taking away Peter's inhibitions and making him more willing to kill in revenge.

-Gwen Stacey (who I don't think should even be in the movie, given the glut of characters and plots, and the fact that her most famous moment was already used up on MJ in the first movie) wasn't even mentioned, and only briefly seen. Will she be a throwaway minor cameo (perhaps a piece of ass that Peter cheats on MJ with, while wearing the evil suit), or did the trailer just leave her out?

-Like I've been saying, I've been VERY concerned about the the possible shafting of Harry Osborn. You know, the story arc they spent the last two movies building up. He doesn't even look like he'll be taking on the Green Goblin persona, wearing a generic, maskless suit instead. Way to downplay the guy who should be the main villain. Instead, it looks like Peter will just utterly PWN his ass while wearing the symbiote. Harry may just turn out to be a sacrificial lamb, beaten or killed off to show how hardcore the symbiote is.

Overall, I can't say that I'm as excited about this as I was about the last two movies. They really seem to be cramming in a shitload of characters and plots, and the one plot they did build on could possibly get shafted.

EDIT: Fixed link, although I see that it has just been posted.

Jim Raynor wrote: -Like I've been saying, I've been VERY concerned about the the possible shafting of Harry Osborn. You know, the story arc they spent the last two movies building up. He doesn't even look like he'll be taking on the Green Goblin persona, wearing a generic, maskless suit instead. Way to downplay the guy who should be the main villain. Instead, it looks like Peter will just utterly PWN his ass while wearing the symbiote. Harry may just turn out to be a sacrificial lamb, beaten or killed off to show how hardcore the symbiote is.

He could have lost the mask during the battle.

The Sandman connection is so much bullshit.

Also, why the fuck does the trailer spoil the (presumably) climactic tearing off of the symbiote scene? I also hope they give a good reason for what the symbiote is doing on earth.

I don't think it's much of a spoiler to see Peter tearing off the symbiote. It happened in the comics, and it's a necessity if Brock is to become Venom. If anything, I think seeing Peter chuck a fucking exploding bomb into Harry's face is a bigger spoiler.

The symbiote will probably be explained away as "nanotech" or something.

Jim Raynor wrote:The symbiote will probably be explained away as "nanotech" or something.

That's fairly similar to what the Ultimate explanation is. So it would have some basis in the comics.

Jim Raynor wrote:I don't think it's much of a spoiler to see Peter tearing off the symbiote. It happened in the comics, and it's a necessity if Brock is to become Venom.

It's a spoiler considering that it's aimed at a general audience and that they spent most of the trailer setting up how the costume is a Big Bad Thing, which gets undermined if we see Tobey Macguire tearing off the costume. Of course I know that this was how Parker rid himself of the symbiote originally. I'm thinking of Tom, Dick and Harry who haven't read a Spider-man comic.

If anything, I think seeing Peter chuck a fucking exploding bomb into Harry's face is a bigger spoiler.

Yeah, trailers suck.

The symbiote will probably be explained away as "nanotech" or something.

*grumbles about how there was no SECRET WAR movie*

Stofsk wrote:

If anything, I think seeing Peter chuck a fucking exploding bomb into Harry's face is a bigger spoiler.

Yeah, trailers suck.

From the way the scenes play out, it looks like he beats the shit out of Harry and then decides to get rid of the suit after seeing what he's done.

At least, that's the way it looks. At least Sandman looks pretty decent.

Over at Superhero Hype, there's a lot of fanboys complaining...because the trailer doesn't show Venom. The symbiote suit shouldn't have been in this movie period.

Jim Raynor wrote:Over at Superhero Hype, there's a lot of fanboys complaining...because the trailer doesn't show Venom. The symbiote suit shouldn't have been in this movie period.

If you're saying that because you think the Symbiote deserves a movie completely dedicated to it... I agree.

If you run the trailer slowly, you can see that Harry is clearly wearing a mask at one point. He takes it off or loses it. It's not a Green Goblin style mask, but it's pretty distinctive.

Jim Raynor wrote:-Looks like the Sandman is no throwaway, "goon" villain as many people speculated. Now he's being retconned into Uncle Ben's REAL killer. A major plot is that Peter wants revenge on this guy. And people thought there would be no problems fitting him, Harry, and the symbiote all in one movie.

LOL...ah retconning. It's not for comic books anymore. Marvel already infected the movies with it.

-The symbiote costume looks like the main focus of the movie. At least it's tied to the Sandman plot, taking away Peter's inhibitions and making him more willing to kill in revenge.

Yeah, saw that as well...and they really want to play up a "Bad" Peter angle....ugh.

-Gwen Stacey (who I don't think should even be in the movie, given the glut of characters and plots, and the fact that her most famous moment was already used up on MJ in the first movie) wasn't even mentioned, and only briefly seen. Will she be a throwaway minor cameo (perhaps a piece of ass that Peter cheats on MJ with, while wearing the evil suit), or did the trailer just leave her out?

It's looking from the first trailer is that is all she is. She's the Hot Blonde that Peter goes after because he's the BAD BOY.

-Like I've been saying, I've been VERY concerned about the the possible shafting of Harry Osborn. You know, the story arc they spent the last two movies building up. He doesn't even look like he'll be taking on the Green Goblin persona, wearing a generic, maskless suit instead. Way to downplay the guy who should be the main villain. Instead, it looks like Peter will just utterly PWN his ass while wearing the symbiote. Harry may just turn out to be a sacrificial lamb, beaten or killed off to show how hardcore the symbiote is.

And leave way for Peter to confront Uncle Ben's TRUE KILLER(Dun, dun, dunnnnnn). Which of course makes you question why did Raimi build up Osborn so fucking much for two movies.

All in all this is looking either to be a four hour display or a two hour WTF.

Ghost Rider wrote:

-Gwen Stacey (who I don't think should even be in the movie, given the glut of characters and plots, and the fact that her most famous moment was already used up on MJ in the first movie) wasn't even mentioned, and only briefly seen. Will she be a throwaway minor cameo (perhaps a piece of ass that Peter cheats on MJ with, while wearing the evil suit), or did the trailer just leave her out?

It's looking from the first trailer is that is all she is. She's the Hot Blonde that Peter goes after because he's the BAD BOY.

Considering there's no Secret Wars this time around, perhaps they're going the Ultimates route this time again (as otherwise they've got no real explanation for the Symbiote). In which case she doesn't die getting thrown off a bridge, but leaves Peter feeling equally responsible. (Even if it doesn't feel quite as 'real' in terms of what he did). But yeah. . .way too many characters. The Spiderman franchise is starting to suffer from the same thing that made Batman sink, though not quite to the same degree of suckitude. Yet.

I actually think that it's really, really difficult to make sequels to superhero movies in general, because of the nature of the genre. The best part of a superhero movie is the origin story. After that comes the "learning to accept his newfound powers/deformity/responsibility/whatever phase". And after that? An endless parade of new villains. The first two phases are cool, but after that, it just gets tedious.

Darth Wong wrote:I actually think that it's really, really difficult to make sequels to superhero movies in general, because of the nature of the genre. The best part of a superhero movie is the origin story. After that comes the "learning to accept his newfound powers/deformity/responsibility/whatever phase". And after that? An endless parade of new villains. The first two phases are cool, but after that, it just gets tedious.

X-Men managed to pull it off fairly well, especially since they had a virtual infinite pool of story ideas to pull off their movies from. Unfortunately changing directors in the third made it suck considerably, mainly because of the director shift, but in something like this I can imagine it would be good if there were an obvious direction planned for it, instead of simply adding in villain after villain ala Batman. Since a good deal of the popular superhero comics definitely have some type of direction they're heading for, or at least trying to work toward. Even Spiderman's not completely devoid of material that they couldn't have tied things in together with the previous movies a little more coherently with the Green Goblin arc and Harry going the vengeance route for his dad's death.

Looks to me like they're trying to set up a mirrored theme.

Harry thinks Peter killed his dad. Harry wants revenge.
Peter thinks Sandman killed his uncle. Peter wants revenge.

If Harry goes through with a serum treatment they'll both be under the influence of something that makes them crazy. So Harry fights Spider-man and Spider-man sees what blind vengeance can do to a man. Cue suit ripping and Venom creation.

All we need for that to be a complete mirror is for Sandman to be wrongfully accused... The police could be wrong, after all. Less retcon that way, too.

I do hope the movie isn't that predicable just from a trailer, though. Even if it is, it does look pretty nice.

Something of note; near the end, it looks like Sandman is being slammed by a wave of water down a drain. Looks like symbiote-spidey is going to wash him down (water is the traditional way Spider-Man beats Sandman, outside of vacuum cleaners).

I think Sandman is going to be the villain that Peter goes all out on while in a fit of rage and wearing the symbiote suit. He'll probably kill off Sandman and severely injure Harry, then try to remove the suit...

General Zod wrote:X-Men managed to pull it off fairly well, especially since they had a virtual infinite pool of story ideas to pull off their movies from. Unfortunately changing directors in the third made it suck considerably, mainly because of the director shift, but in something like this I can imagine it would be good if there were an obvious direction planned for it, instead of simply adding in villain after villain ala Batman. Since a good deal of the popular superhero comics definitely have some type of direction they're heading for, or at least trying to work toward. Even Spiderman's not completely devoid of material that they couldn't have tied things in together with the previous movies a little more coherently with the Green Goblin arc and Harry going the vengeance route for his dad's death.

Actually, the first X-Men just was not all that great. The second one was awesome. The third one was, well, third-rate.

Wasn't impressed yesterday and I'm still not impressed today.

General Zod wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:

-Gwen Stacey (who I don't think should even be in the movie, given the glut of characters and plots, and the fact that her most famous moment was already used up on MJ in the first movie) wasn't even mentioned, and only briefly seen. Will she be a throwaway minor cameo (perhaps a piece of ass that Peter cheats on MJ with, while wearing the evil suit), or did the trailer just leave her out?

It's looking from the first trailer is that is all she is. She's the Hot Blonde that Peter goes after because he's the BAD BOY.

Considering there's no Secret Wars this time around, perhaps they're going the Ultimates route this time again (as otherwise they've got no real explanation for the Symbiote). In which case she doesn't die getting thrown off a bridge, but leaves Peter feeling equally responsible. (Even if it doesn't feel quite as 'real' in terms of what he did). But yeah. . .way too many characters. The Spiderman franchise is starting to suffer from the same thing that made Batman sink, though not quite to the same degree of suckitude. Yet.

I hope it isn't the Ultimate Version symbiote. Part of Me thinks that they will use the Spidey Animated Series explanation which is like the comics minus the Secret Wars storyline. It seems like they were trying to set it up with pointlessly including John Jameson the astronaut in SM2. To me that is probably the best way to introduce the symbiote in a film if you aren't going to have the Secret Wars backstory.
As for me: I do think that Spidey 3 is in adger of being the weak/shitty 3rd movie that all Superhero movies seem to have. But at the same time it might break the curse.

Is it me or does it seem that there is a Curse that happens to all Good Superhero movie franchises. Namely, I would call it the "3rd movie Curse". Superman had Superman 3.
Batman had Batman Forever.
X-men had X3 the Last Stand.

What's the deal?