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She says that this is useless, and that she'd like to throw it away...

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If she's really got a hard on to get rid of it, at least give it to a library or museum.

Wow, I've stumbled onto someone who quite possibly has a mother as bad as mine. Seriously what the fuck. Why does she want to get rid of it?

How nice to know that your first reaction to this is to beat your own mother.

Durandal wrote:How nice to know that your first reaction to this is to beat your own mother.

I doubt there's family violence to be had here. Wellll...

Would she still be like that if you just accidentally found a copy of the Declaration of Independence there or the first edition of Action Comics?

Mucho dollari.

So, what is it?

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:So, what is it?

Yeah, I was going to wait for someone else to ask first...

What the hell is that, and why would you beat your own mother over it?

It's the signing in document of President Cleveland, if I read it right.

I'll give you $20 for it, Shep.

Looks to me like it is official documentation of the appointment of one, Edward Shanahan, to the office of Postmaster by Grover Cleveland.

Shep, why do you have a historical document lying around your house?

No wonder why so many historical items are lost, they're trashed by mothers who don't know better!

Postmaster of Amsterdam in the county of Montgomery New York it reads. Given how many towns there must be in the nation even back then, he must've done a lot of signings!

Adrian Laguna wrote:Shep, why do you have a historical document lying around your house?

Specifically, a document that probably should have stayed in New York as well. Did you have family or friends in Amsterdam, Shep?

Take it on the touring antique roadshow and see how much you can get for it.

And stop beating your mom.

I understand the frustration, actually. My mom had collected together a bunch of Rudyard Kipling 1st and 2nd printings and pretty much had them packaged up to be tossed when she asked me to "go through that old stuff and see if there's anything you want".

When I freaked out that she was going to throw it away she just looked at me with that half deer-in-the-headlights look and the half-bemused look of seeing a child discover that some random old toy had been thrown away in a housecleaning. She just had zero sense of how anyone could see that stuff as valuable or interesting.

The odd thing is, she does see the value in collecting antique kitchen appliances-- somewhere in my parents' house is a stack of old potato mashers, pickle jars, salt bowls (before there were salt shakers, it was kept in tiny finger bowls, I understand) and hand-crank meat grinders.

I dunno what it is about a lot of moms that gives them the sense they can just chuck anything they want without at least asking first. It's very disrespectful.

I don't understand the urge to beat one's own mother. But I don't think like most other men. Not saying that's a bad thing (the urge and actually doing it are two totally different worlds), just that I never understood it. When my mom threw away something of mine when I was a kid, I ran away from home and didn't give a thought about "beating" and didn't get angry . But yeah I doubt he really means beat.

Coyote wrote:I understand the frustration, actually. My mom had collected together a bunch of Rudyard Kipling 1st and 2nd printings and pretty much had them packaged up to be tossed when she asked me to "go through that old stuff and see if there's anything you want".

When I freaked out that she was going to throw it away she just looked at me with that half deer-in-the-headlights look and the half-bemused look of seeing a child discover that some random old toy had been thrown away in a housecleaning. She just had zero sense of how anyone could see that stuff as valuable or interesting.

Rudyard Kipling 1st and 2nd Printings?

I try to twist my head around to see how anyone could view those as garbage, but I just can't.

Coyote wrote:I dunno what it is about a lot of moms that gives them the sense they can just chuck anything they want without at least asking first. It's very disrespectful.

Several of the Nag Hammadi scrolls were lost since the mother of the shepheard that found them used them as kindling.

I think there's something about women that see things that way at times, since they wouldn't have any special attachment to such an item, and since they can't remember seeing you making a fuss about it they assume its worthless.

Not all women, and men can make the same mistakes at times, but sometimes there seems to be something there...

I can understand the mom. I never understood collectors. This is just some old crap that attracts dust and seems of no use other than lying around.

salm wrote:I can understand the mom. I never understood collectors. This is just some old crap that attracts dust and seems of no use other than lying around.

There are plenty of ways to value an item. Sentimentality, the history of it, the craftsmanship, the notoriety, etc.

Artwork is collecting too, would you call them old crap that attracts dust?

Trytostaydead wrote:

salm wrote:I can understand the mom. I never understood collectors. This is just some old crap that attracts dust and seems of no use other than lying around.

There are plenty of ways to value an item. Sentimentality, the history of it, the craftsmanship, the notoriety, etc.

Artwork is collecting too, would you call them old crap that attracts dust?

Really depends on. If the artwork is stashed away and has no purpose besides "having it" then it´s old crap. If it´s hung up somewhere for decoration or put to some other use it´s obviously useful.

I have a freind who collects these little hot wheel cars. He doesn´t unpack them and he stores them in a box at home. I mean if he´d at least open them and set them up or play with them or something but they just sit there in their orignal packing stored away in a box in the dark. What the hell is that supposed to be good for?
I mean apparently there is some sort of satisfaction that some people drieve from collecting stuff, i´m just saying that this concept is completely alien to me and perhaps to the mom.

salm wrote:I can understand the mom. I never understood collectors. This is just some old crap that attracts dust and seems of no use other than lying around.

Throwing out stuff that is almost certainly worth a bit of money is not a good idea. Even if you don't have any use for it you can always sell it.

I mean apparently there is some sort of satisfaction that some people drieve from collecting stuff, i´m just saying that this concept is completely alien to me and perhaps to the mom.

Owning a piece of history - be it a document or a Hot Wheels car - allows you to be part of it. You become the caretaker of something with all the legacy and significance it carries. I feel every old thing is like a small time machine; it's seen things and been places that only exist in history books now. Haven't you ever held a two thousand year old coin and wondered who paid his breakfast with it all those lifetimes ago? Or bought an old toy just because you couldn't stand the idea of it ending up in a landfill? Never teared up when you looked at a painting, trying to take in just how many people before you stood in that same place, thousands of souls from across the ages who had that one experience in common?

I'm deeply puzzled why some thoughtless person would throw away an important looking old document like that - it fills me with the same kind of anger when I see valued family photos getting burned or beautiful buildings getting demolished.

Bounty wrote: Owning a piece of history - be it a document or a Hot Wheels car - allows you to be part of it. You become the caretaker of something with all the legacy and significance it carries. I feel every old thing is like a small time machine; it's seen things and been places that only exist in history books now. Haven't you ever held a two thousand year old coin and wondered who paid his breakfast with it all those lifetimes ago? Or bought an old toy just because you couldn't stand the idea of it ending up in a landfill? Never teared up when you looked at a painting, trying to take in just how many people before you stood in that same place, thousands of souls from across the ages who had that one experience in common?

No, never felt that way. However i know what it feels like to have too much unnecessary stuff lying around and blocking up living space. That´s why 3 or four times a year i go through all of my stuff and throw out or give away everything that i don´t need. Books, finished computer games, comics, old legos, clothes etc... everything has to go. Owning a lot of stuff makes you dependant. Dependant on a large appartement, on your parents basement, on transport companies in case you want to move and so on. If i own little i can just pack up my stuff and move somewhere completely different without large inconveniences.

I admit though, should this document be of any value i´d of course rather sell it or give it to whoever would want it.

Grandma sold some furniture that had been in our family for several generations. Prior to her generation, that is.

And she didn't even mention that it was for sale, thereby giving us the chance to buy it!

Similarly with the fisher-price airport set. And the bath toys, except for the sailboat (which my daughter is happily uses now, though sans sail until she learns not to chew on things). And most of the micro-machines (one was saved by my losing it under a dresser).

We managed, barely to save the baby pictures of her husband's grandparents.

On a much smaller scale, I told mom not to throw out the nintendo. A few months later, I found out she had thrown out 'the atari'. Mom, the word 'atari' does not appear on that box. What word appears on it? Yeah. 'nintendo'. I knew I should have taken it.

But then it would have been stolen with my lego collection when my apartment was broken into.

drachefly wrote:Grandma sold some furniture that had been in our family for several generations. Prior to her generation, that is.

And she didn't even mention that it was for sale, thereby giving us the chance to buy it!

When that thing happens it is usually a "I had no idea you wanted that old junk!" (even if you said so repeatedly) with a bit of not wanting the old garbage to clutter up another family home.

drachefly wrote:Similarly with the fisher-price airport set. And the bath toys, except for the sailboat (which my daughter is happily uses now, though sans sail until she learns not to chew on things). And most of the micro-machines (one was saved by my losing it under a dresser).

"Why on Earth would anyone want this? They haven't used it or talked about it in ages, they must have forgotten entirely."

drachefly wrote:We managed, barely to save the baby pictures of her husband's grandparents.

On a much smaller scale, I told mom not to throw out the nintendo. A few months later, I found out she had thrown out 'the atari'. Mom, the word 'atari' does not appear on that box. What word appears on it? Yeah. 'nintendo'. I knew I should have taken it.

In one ear, out the other, and "Does he want me to keep this junk around forever? I'll just throw it out and he'll never notice."

Note all explanations are based on personal experience

Women can often be amazingly bad at figuring out what men, even family members, want and cherish.

drachefly wrote:But then it would have been stolen with my lego collection when my apartment was broken into.

Awww that sucks!