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Does anyone have an idea of about many personnel are in those formations?

Squad -
Section-
Platoon-
Company-
Battlion-
Regiment-
Brigade-
Division-
Corps-
Army-
Army Group-

I think a division is 15,000 and a corps is 100,000.

depends on the army and the date.

Enforcer Talen wrote:depends on the army and the date.

For comparsion, say Modern against Napolenic era. For which countries, may American, British, Russian, or aleast standard Nato size. Estimates would be fine.

paladin wrote:Does anyone have an idea of about many personnel are in those formations?

Well for a modern army there is no absolute set but I'll give you a best estimate.

Fireteam-4
Squad - 13 (3 fireteams, 1 squad leader)
Section- Sometimes exists sometimes doesn't
Platoon- 38 (3 squads, Plt Sgt & Plt Cmdr)
Company- 155 os so (3 plts, hvy wpns plt, 1st Sgt, CO, &XO)
Battlion- 630 or so (3 CO, HQ Co, SgtMaj, CO, &XO)
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Any formation larger than this ceases to have a real definite structure and Battallion is the last level at which you will still have a narrow specialization as afterwards you put together multiple BNs to create fully self sustaining divisions.

I think a division is 15,000 and a corps is 100,000.

Most Divisions are about 20K plus and Corps is an organizational unit larger than division so it can actually just be a division with extra units or it could be six divisions depending on how admin wants it.

Hmm....one million divisions of clones would work out to 20 billion + which works good for a shock troop force according to my stormtrooper calcs by Marina's fleet numbers.

Assuming that one million, two hundred thousand wasn't just a preliminary force before the real thing arrived, in which case companies would seem about right.

CmdrWilkens wrote: Platoon- 38 (3 squads, Plt Sgt & Plt Cmdr)

That adds up to 41 Greg. 3 x 13 = 39 + 2 = 41

Squad: 10 infantry under 1 staff sargent (11 men)
Platoon: 4 infantry squads under a lieutenant (45 men)
Company: 4 infantry platoons under a captain (181 men)
Battalion: 4 or more infantry companies under a lieutenant colonel (725 men minimum)
Brigade: 3 or more infantry battalions under a colonel (2176 men minimum)
Division: 3 infantry brigades with artillery, combat support, and combat service support under the command of a major general (6528 men excluding artillery, combat support, and combat service support)

CmdrWilkens wrote:

paladin wrote:Does anyone have an idea of about many personnel are in those formations?

Well for a modern army there is no absolute set but I'll give you a best estimate.

Fireteam-4
Squad - 13 (3 fireteams, 1 squad leader)
Section- Sometimes exists sometimes doesn't
Platoon- 38 (3 squads, Plt Sgt & Plt Cmdr)
Company- 155 os so (3 plts, hvy wpns plt, 1st Sgt, CO, &XO)
Battlion- 630 or so (3 CO, HQ Co, SgtMaj, CO, &XO)
<snip>

Any formation larger than this ceases to have a real definite structure and Battallion is the last level at which you will still have a narrow specialization as afterwards you put together multiple BNs to create fully self sustaining divisions.

I think a division is 15,000 and a corps is 100,000.

Most Divisions are about 20K plus and Corps is an organizational unit larger than division so it can actually just be a division with extra units or it could be six divisions depending on how admin wants it.

The exception is generally communist countries, almost all of who formed very learn division based off Soviet WW2 experience, though the Russian army its self is abandoning such formations. Such division tended to have very high firepower and 9000 or so men. However they also tend to require a huge amount of support from Army level assets and can be incredibly venerable to attack against there logistics.

There no real need to theorize about the Clone army's composition, its probably similar to the organization of Stormtroops or Imperial Army units. Their TOE's can be found in WEG source books, and at Sheppard's site.

http://daltonator.net/mks/ISB/Ch8.htm

The totally number of division is a typical WEG massive understatement, but they're no reason to distrust the information at the Army level or below.

Beowulf wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote: Platoon- 38 (3 squads, Plt Sgt & Plt Cmdr)

That adds up to 41 Greg. 3 x 13 = 39 + 2 = 41

Shhhh, I should have put down 40 because you can always depend on a few slots being empty at any given time.

Alyeska wrote:Squad: 10 infantry under 1 staff sargent (11 men)
Platoon: 4 infantry squads under a lieutenant (45 men)
Company: 4 infantry platoons under a captain (181 men)
Battalion: 4 or more infantry companies under a lieutenant colonel (725 men minimum)
Brigade: 3 or more infantry battalions under a colonel (2176 men minimum)
Division: 3 infantry brigades with artillery, combat support, and combat service support under the command of a major general (6528 men excluding artillery, combat support, and combat service support)

The squad numebr is definately off and, again, a platoon (assuming we're talking infantry here) will have 3 infantry squads and 1 heavy weapons squad (medium mortars, anti-tank and heavy MG). At the Company level you will have 4 standard infantry platoons and a Headquarters Company with a heavy mortar plt, admin personnel, supply, logistics, etc.

At the BN level you will already tend to have different company types attached (MotorT, Maint, etc) but its the last size formaiton which isgenerally devoted to a narrow speciality. At the brigade and division level you ALWAYS interchange BN types in order to achieve the mix or heavy and light forces you need for a given type of brigade for division. Even an Infantry Division (or birigade for that matter) will have MechInf assets, Artillery assets, Suport assets, etc.

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Alyeska wrote:Squad: 10 infantry under 1 staff sargent (11 men)
Platoon: 4 infantry squads under a lieutenant (45 men)
Company: 4 infantry platoons under a captain (181 men)
Battalion: 4 or more infantry companies under a lieutenant colonel (725 men minimum)
Brigade: 3 or more infantry battalions under a colonel (2176 men minimum)
Division: 3 infantry brigades with artillery, combat support, and combat service support under the command of a major general (6528 men excluding artillery, combat support, and combat service support)

The squad numebr is definately off and, again, a platoon (assuming we're talking infantry here) will have 3 infantry squads and 1 heavy weapons squad (medium mortars, anti-tank and heavy MG). At the Company level you will have 4 standard infantry platoons and a Headquarters Company with a heavy mortar plt, admin personnel, supply, logistics, etc.

At the BN level you will already tend to have different company types attached (MotorT, Maint, etc) but its the last size formaiton which isgenerally devoted to a narrow speciality. At the brigade and division level you ALWAYS interchange BN types in order to achieve the mix or heavy and light forces you need for a given type of brigade for division. Even an Infantry Division (or birigade for that matter) will have MechInf assets, Artillery assets, Suport assets, etc.

I was just giving the basic definition behind them. I know that when you have larger formations you have different sized companys, battalions, etc... I know that Armored Divisions have a LOT more people, they also have brigades of tanks, bradleys, Air Brigades, then they have some batalions of Infantry as well.

Alyeska wrote:Squad: 10 infantry under 1 staff sargent (11 men)
Platoon: 4 infantry squads under a lieutenant (45 men)
Company: 4 infantry platoons under a captain (181 men)
Battalion: 4 or more infantry companies under a lieutenant colonel (725 men minimum)
Brigade: 3 or more infantry battalions under a colonel (2176 men minimum)
Division: 3 infantry brigades with artillery, combat support, and combat service support under the command of a major general (6528 men excluding artillery, combat support, and combat service support)

The number of lower units within each higher level vary far to much to place it down like that. Some armies have been sqaure all the way to the corps level, while others give it up at the platoon level if they ever have it.

Then of course you have all the add on units, few infantry batalions have four infantry companies for example, but they often have a heavy weapons company.

On the other hand some brigades have four or five manuver battalions plus one or two of support and artillery units.

Alyeska wrote: I was just giving the basic definition behind them. I know that when you have larger formations you have different sized companys, battalions, etc... I know that Armored Divisions have a LOT more people, they also have brigades of tanks, bradleys, Air Brigades, then they have some batalions of Infantry as well.

Actually the only reason Armored Division are so personnel heavy is the support personnel required to maintain the vehicles. A standard tank platoon is 4 vehicles for a total of about 16 people per platoon...as you can see the number of actual combat personel would be relatively small, its the support folks who make upthe difference.