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#1 reason I (personally) hate ATI
Posted: 2003-01-21 05:01am
by Crayz9000
Their drivers. The following Mozilla bug is now considered to be a result of ATI's drivers:
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101055
There was some real choice feedback from some of the users here:
No driver since my B/W G3 was released has been of any help. My pleas to ATI have fallen on deaf ears. They suggested I make sure my monitor was plugged into the graphics card. I hope Apple doesn't ever make the ATI mistake again.
I agree, it's probably not just Mozilla (another problem involving bookmark-caused crashes has also occurred on Opera after importing my lengthy bookmark list from Mozilla). But, apparently, it's up to you clever folks to fix it if it's to be fixed, because ATI doesn't give a damn.
Posted: 2003-01-21 05:16am
by Red Knight
Woo, Go ATI!
Posted: 2003-01-21 09:45am
by Crazy_Vasey
With every new release of Mozilla I am disappointed that this bug has not been
fixed. I cannot use Mozilla at all because it invariably freezes the computer
within minutes of starting Mozilla, even if I don't use it. All releases of
Mozilla I have tried, as well as Netscape 7, suffer from the same problem.
Switching to thousands of colours circumvents the problem but is unacceptable to
my work.
The computer is a silver G4 Mac, 800 MHz, 512 MB, running a German version of Mac
OS 9.2.2. The computer came with an ATI card. I have removed the card and all ATI
system extensions; I am now using a Formac PCI GA12 graphic card driving a 24
inch (ratio 1.6 : 1) ProNitron 24/600 monitor at 1536 x 936. The problem
persists. (Seems like either there is still something from ATI lurking somewhere,
or else the ProGraphics driver suffers the same problems as ATI.)
Doesn't sound like an ATI problem to me.
Posted: 2003-01-21 09:53am
by Mr Bean
That sounds like an OS-Video Card interface bug rather than just a pure Video Card problem
Posted: 2003-01-21 10:45am
by phongn
Mr Bean wrote:That sounds like an OS-Video Card interface bug rather than just a pure Video Card problem
Hence it being a driver problem?
Posted: 2003-01-21 11:49am
by Darth Wong
ATI's drivers are shit. They've been shit for a long time. For a while it appeared that they were improving, but it sounds like they're still shit.
It's tragic, really; their hardware is awesome, but unless you have a single-minded focus on DirectX games, their drivers are shit.
I've been experimenting with a Radeon 9700 Pro on a professional OpenGL CAD/CAM app, and it sucks. Their Linux drivers are shit too.
Posted: 2003-01-21 12:15pm
by MKSheppard
Darth Wong wrote:
It's tragic, really; their hardware is awesome, but unless you have a single-minded focus on DirectX games, their drivers are shit.
Say it with me: NVIDIA is king......ATI cards do not support
table fog, which means no fog effects in COMBAT MISSION...
a HERESY!
Posted: 2003-01-21 12:19pm
by Darth Wong
It would be nice to have NVidia's driver quality with ATI's hardware, that's all I can say. And TruForm rocks. But with shit drivers ...
Posted: 2003-01-21 12:32pm
by phongn
Darth Wong wrote:ATI's drivers are shit. They've been shit for a long time. For a while it appeared that they were improving, but it sounds like they're still shit.
Their Mac drivers are, apparently, still shit. The Windows drivers (esp. with Catalyst 3.0) are improving.
I've been experimenting with a Radeon 9700 Pro on a professional OpenGL CAD/CAM app, and it sucks. Their Linux drivers are shit too.
Which revision are you using?
Posted: 2003-01-21 01:17pm
by Darth Wong
phongn wrote:Which revision are you using?
I don't remember; I downloaded the drivers about a month ago.
Posted: 2003-01-21 01:26pm
by Utsanomiko
Hmm, I got a 9700 128MB ATI Radeon with my computer about a month ago, but that was mostly due to selection and the need to buy it before New Years. Haven't had any trouble with it yet, except I can't get NWN to properly show reflections on metal armor and swords.
Maybe i'll upgrade in a year or so.
Posted: 2003-01-21 01:29pm
by The Yosemite Bear
Yeah, the only real reason I switched to XP, instead of Mandrake was that I couldn't get all of the hardware conflicts involved with my Frankienstine's drivers sorted out with Linux.....
Yes, I do have copys, and I still have my old DR Dos 7.0 floating around here too.
Posted: 2003-01-21 02:15pm
by Crazy_Vasey
Well I got a Radeon 9500 for christmas and I've had no problems. Apart from the shitty old powerpack on my PC that couldn't handle the voltage the card needed and went pop. Not exactly the cards fault though.
Posted: 2003-01-21 06:35pm
by phongn
Darth Wong wrote:phongn wrote:Which revision are you using?
I don't remember; I downloaded the drivers about a month ago.
They have a new driver set out (Catalyst 3.0), but it does require DX9 to install (presumably you're testing this on a Windows machine?)
Posted: 2003-01-21 07:17pm
by Mr Bean
Hence it being a driver problem?
Probably
I'm not a programing genius(I had enough trouble learning English) though hopeful in around 2 1/2 years I can change that from
"Well I don't realy know, I never learn programing"
to...
"Damint! I should have know this stuff! I spent my own hard earned money and went to school for years to learn it!"
Wait... thats not much better
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Back onto the topic at hand, I personaly(Along with a few tens of thousands of others) and waiting to see what Nvidia can pull with FX, We are talking about a near 200 mhtz Core jump and a 300 mhthz Memeory jump, If that (Being the pre-release alpha card sent to some lucky reviews) is just 10-20% better than the Radeon 9700 with CAT 3 Drives.... Wonder what the Gold version will do?
Posted: 2003-01-21 07:26pm
by phongn
Competition is good. ATI is probably going to release the R350 around the GFFX's launch.
Posted: 2003-01-21 08:33pm
by Dalton
I have an R8500LE, no problems with it yet. Phong, didn't you just order one?
Posted: 2003-01-21 09:19pm
by phongn
Dalton wrote:I have an R8500LE, no problems with it yet. Phong, didn't you just order one?
Yeah, I now have an R8500LE/128MB. It runs SC4 much better than my old G400 (so slooooow...)
Posted: 2003-01-21 09:54pm
by Enlightenment
Darth Wong wrote:It would be nice to have NVidia's driver quality with ATI's hardware, that's all I can say.
Considering the number of times the nVidia drivers have BSODed my system I'd hate to imagine what ATI's drivers must be like.