Windows rot?
Posted: 2003-01-29 08:08pm
I've heard a few times about the Windows OS decaying over time. What causes this, and how can you spot it?
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The Rants on his homepage.Malecoda wrote:Mike explains it very well. It's been a long time since I read it so I don't know exactly where, but you can look around Stardestroyer.net just as well as I can.
It's a notorious problem in Win9x. What happens is that you keep writing stuff to the registry and programs you install overwrite the shared DLLs. Eventually your registry gets cluttered and full of errors, and your shared libraries start to do things the programs calling them aren't expecting. At which point the OS's performance starts to degrade and it crashes more and more often, which causes even more damage to the registry and corrupts even more of your shared data until you're forced to reinstall the OS. Occasionally, the problem gets so bad, a simple reinstall won't do. You end up having to scrub the hard disk and start fresh.Raxmei wrote:I've heard a few times about the Windows OS decaying over time. What causes this, and how can you spot it?
You use ME?GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:It's a notorious problem in Win9x. What happens is that you keep writing stuff to the registry and programs you install overwrite the shared DLLs. Eventually your registry gets cluttered and full of errors, and your shared libraries start to do things the programs calling them aren't expecting. At which point the OS's performance starts to degrade and it crashes more and more often, which causes even more damage to the registry and corrupts even more of your shared data until you're forced to reinstall the OS. Occasionally, the problem gets so bad, a simple reinstall won't do. You end up having to scrub the hard disk and start fresh.Raxmei wrote:I've heard a few times about the Windows OS decaying over time. What causes this, and how can you spot it?
*sigh*
I've been rot-free since about April of last year. But my current install of WinME is starting to decay like a five-day dead corpse. And I just when I was getting used to one or two week uptimes too.
Days? Days on Windows 98? Hah, I get minutes, a couple of hours if I'm lucky. In fact, about every 6 hours or so, I get a total 'Oh Shit' crash where *every single program* running fails for no reason at all. In fact, 98 totally corrupts every year sometime around April or December. This is compounded with the fact that I have msn internet service, too, which makes things far worse.Uraniun235 wrote:Just using Windows 9x causes it. It's not as bad on Win2000. XP, I don't know, don't care, I'm not using that piece of garbage until I absolutely must.
What it is is just performance degradation, as well as slowly deteriorating stability.
On Windows... I heard Win 98 couldn't have an uptime of greater than so many days (like 80 or something like that) and I was wondering just what made Windows crash after that amount of time.
Yes, oddly enough I do. I've had better experiences with ME than most people. And it has some features that Win98/98SE lacks. So as a result, my desktop uses ME. My laptop OTOH uses Win2K SP2. Windows 2000 is a great OS for portable computers. It's stable, it has many of the device drivers, and it was built for networking. (Really nice to plug my laptop's NIC into the local intranet and immediately get an IP and access.) I may move my desktop to Windows 2000 though.Shinova wrote:You use ME?GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:It's a notorious problem in Win9x. What happens is that you keep writing stuff to the registry and programs you install overwrite the shared DLLs. Eventually your registry gets cluttered and full of errors, and your shared libraries start to do things the programs calling them aren't expecting. At which point the OS's performance starts to degrade and it crashes more and more often, which causes even more damage to the registry and corrupts even more of your shared data until you're forced to reinstall the OS. Occasionally, the problem gets so bad, a simple reinstall won't do. You end up having to scrub the hard disk and start fresh.Raxmei wrote:I've heard a few times about the Windows OS decaying over time. What causes this, and how can you spot it?
*sigh*
I've been rot-free since about April of last year. But my current install of WinME is starting to decay like a five-day dead corpse. And I just when I was getting used to one or two week uptimes too.
I hear it was so bad that Microsoft refused to acknowledge that they made it.
Whats funny is I think you and I are probably the only people still using ME. Personally I've had a pretty darn good experience with it and right until when I started redoing my hardware has it given me any problems. Before that I was accustomed to month long uptimes.GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:It's a notorious problem in Win9x. What happens is that you keep writing stuff to the registry and programs you install overwrite the shared DLLs. Eventually your registry gets cluttered and full of errors, and your shared libraries start to do things the programs calling them aren't expecting. At which point the OS's performance starts to degrade and it crashes more and more often, which causes even more damage to the registry and corrupts even more of your shared data until you're forced to reinstall the OS. Occasionally, the problem gets so bad, a simple reinstall won't do. You end up having to scrub the hard disk and start fresh.Raxmei wrote:I've heard a few times about the Windows OS decaying over time. What causes this, and how can you spot it?
*sigh*
I've been rot-free since about April of last year. But my current install of WinME is starting to decay like a five-day dead corpse. And I just when I was getting used to one or two week uptimes too.
McNum wrote:I'm an ME user, too. Somehow I manage to keep it going... It's a tricky Windows to keep stable. However, IF you finally get it stable it's one of the better versions of Windows.
My ME box here gets a reformat once every 1.5 to 2 years. Did so wth every PC I had. Really helps stability.
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jegs2 wrote:My box primarily runs XP, and I left two and a half gigs to run critical programs on my old 98SE, thus essentially creating a dual-boot machine. Frankly, I miss my old, reliable DOS.
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Windows 2000 is more picky due to it's drivers - they tend to be more specialized (e.g. you might see "Generic IDE driver" or something in W98, but "VIA Bus Master Controller" in W2K). IIRC, Linux is similar in that it doesn't have specialized drivers either.Crazy_Vasey wrote:One thing I discovered a few weeks back was that windows 2000 really, really doesn't like having the motherboard changed on it. Doesn#t like as in won't even boot in safe mode... Windows 98 still booted, Linux still booted but win2k was dead as a dodo. Bastard thing.