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Only if you're not white.jaeger115 wrote:Is he the one who opposes immigration into Australia?
I doubt the vote will succeed. But, if a vote is called on the movement of troops to the gulf (which he did without the permission or even consulation of the parliament) and it is voted down post-fact, then we are looking at a double-dissolution of parliament.Mr Bean wrote:If the vote succedes he will be removed from power post haste
Finally, another fucking racist removed from office.Only if you're not white.
Who said anything about him being removed from office. This is just a call for a vote of no confidence. It doesn't mean that it will succeed.jaeger115 wrote:Finally, another fucking racist removed from office. :DOnly if you're not white.
Could you please explain to me what's going on. I am interested to learn what is happening down under, but my americanized education has left me ignorant of everything outside the U.S.weemadando wrote:The greens and democrats have been threatening to do this the moment parliament began sitting again. Now we just have to see how the vote goes.
OK, parliament down here has been on its summer recess. Now, while this was happening John Howard ordered sections of our armed forces to deploy to the Gulf without consultation with parliament. Deployment of military forces should require a majority vote from both houses, but little John went it alone. This, needless to say has pissed off a lot of people. The two minority parties, the Greens and Democrats said that when parliament sat again they would lodge a motion of no confidence in the senate.Wicked Pilot wrote:Could you please explain to me what's going on. I am interested to learn what is happening down under, but my americanized education has left me ignorant of everything outside the U.S.weemadando wrote:The greens and democrats have been threatening to do this the moment parliament began sitting again. Now we just have to see how the vote goes.
Well the senate passed the no confidence motion http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0, ... 21,00.html, but it does nothing to remove johnny, because it will be bloocked in the house of reps. Apparently it is the first time in 102 years an Aussie Prime Minister has been censured in such a way. Maybe the opposition parties should try and push the Governor General for a double dissolution anyway, there have already been two (I think two at least one) pieces of legislatio that were blockewd by the senate which could be used as double dissolution triggers.weemadando wrote:OK, parliament down here has been on its summer recess. Now, while this was happening John Howard ordered sections of our armed forces to deploy to the Gulf without consultation with parliament. Deployment of military forces should require a majority vote from both houses, but little John went it alone. This, needless to say has pissed off a lot of people. The two minority parties, the Greens and Democrats said that when parliament sat again they would lodge a motion of no confidence in the senate.Wicked Pilot wrote:Could you please explain to me what's going on. I am interested to learn what is happening down under, but my americanized education has left me ignorant of everything outside the U.S.weemadando wrote:The greens and democrats have been threatening to do this the moment parliament began sitting again. Now we just have to see how the vote goes.
Now, if the vote of no confidence succeeds, John Howard is obligated to stand down and the Deputy PM will step up. OR if they or the Governor General chooses, then there could be a double dissolution of parliament, where both houses are disbanded and new elections called.
A double dissolution would also result from the actions of the PM being voted down in retrospect.
The Governor General could also call for a double dissolution should he be lobbied to by the parliament or other bodies (namely the Queen or himself if he feels neccessary).
Its all fairly complex and I'm waiting for ABC to get some updates happening.
Basicly it doesnt matter how many times a bill is defeated in the House of Reps. The house of reps creates bills, the Senate approves them.A Double Dissolution of the Australian Parliament is allowed under Section 57 of the Australian Constitution:Essentially, this section of the Constitution can be summarised as follows:If the House of Representatives passes any proposed law, and the Senate rejects or fails to pass it, or passes it with amendments to which the House of Representatives will not agree, and if after an interval of three months the House of Representatives, in the same or the next session, again passes the proposed law with or without any amendments which have been made, suggested, or agreed to by the Senate, and the Senate rejects or fails to pass it, or passes it with amendments to which the House of Representatives will not agree, the Governor-General may dissolve the Senate and the House of Representatives simultaneously. But such dissolution shall not take place within six months before the date of the expiry of the House of Representatives by effluxion of time.
If after such dissolution the House of Representatives again passes the proposed law, with or without any amendments which have been made, suggested, or agreed to by the Senate, and the Senate rejects or fails to pass it, or passes it with amendments to which the House of Representatives will not agree, the Governor-General may convene a joint sitting of the members of the Senate and of the House of Representatives.
The members present at the joint sitting may deliberate and shall vote together upon the proposed law as last proposed by the House of Representatives, and upon amendments, if any, which have been made therein by one House and not agreed to by the other, and any such amendments which are affirmed by an absolute majority of the total number of the members of the Senate and House of Representatives shall be taken to have been carried, and if the proposed law, with the amendments, if any, so carried is affirmed by an absolute majority of the total number of the members of the Senate and House of Representatives, it shall be taken to have been duly passed by both Houses of Parliament, and shall be presented to the Governor-General for the Queen's assent.
- House passes bill
- Senate rejects bill
- 3 months elapse
- House passes bill again
- Senate rejects bill again
- Prime Minister may advise Governor-General to dissolve both houses
- Assuming government is returned at election, House passes bill for the third time
- Senate rejects bill for the third time
- Joint Sitting may be held to finally resolve the disagreement between the houses
Only a vote of no confidence in the House of Reps is a problem. But since Howard controls the House of Reps, he would have to piss off his own party baddly for that to happen.The move, initiated by opposition parties which control the Senate, is symbolic and will have no constitutional consequences for Mr Howard, who remains one of the most popular prime ministers in Australia's history.
Actually I think there are three ways to remove a Prime Minister:Crown wrote:Err I think somepeople are jumping to conclusions. Howard will not be 'removed' from post, the bill has no legal authority to do so, all it means is that parliament (the senate anyway) is slapping him on the wrist, the lower house (where the coalition has a stronger hold) didn't ratify it... Unless this is a different motion. The one that I am talking about has already been issued by the senate, but the lower house didn't pass it.
All it is, is a political statement that not all parties of Australia agree with the government's decision to send troops to the Gulf, when no state of war being declared between Australia and Iraq, and especially without UN sanction. That is all.
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the Governer General the only one who could remove Howard from power (and I use that word loosely)? To quote the infomous Golf Whitlam; Well might we say God save the Queen, for who is going to save the Prime Minister?
I would also like to point out that this is the first time in Australia's 102 years of federation that parlaiment has ever issued such a declaration to the Prime Minister.
It is strange that he is so popular, almost everyone I speak too hates him.The move, initiated by opposition parties which control the Senate, is symbolic and will have no constitutional consequences for Mr Howard, who remains one of the most popular prime ministers in Australia's history.