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Large scale gatling gun...?

Posted: 2002-08-13 05:19pm
by Manji
How about an artillery weapon consisting of a massive gatling gun, where each of the six or so barrels was a 155 mm artillery barrel. A high cyclic rate should be possible. Not as high as those of the G.E. Minigun or the GAU-8, but maybe about 800 - 1000 rounds per minute.

An even larger system could perhaps be built for a sea based platform... where each barrel was a 16" gun. The ROF would likely be lower again, but still might be 400-600 RPM. This would require changes to ammunition though... currently, naval ammuntion does not come as a "round" comprising both projectile and propellant, but instead, the projectile and propellant are inserted into the barrel seperately. An actual round of ammunition in 16" caliber would need to be manufactured in order to enable this weapon to function.

Posted: 2002-08-13 05:34pm
by Raxmei
The limit on the rate of fire on modern artillery isn't the speed of the action, it's the recoil. Even then, full auto arty is not that usefull because we prefer to aim our shots. Any realist rate of fire for artillery is not nearly enough to justify using the gatling concept.
16" gatlings are simply silly.

Posted: 2002-08-13 05:37pm
by Sea Skimmer
Hurray, assuming it's physically possible to build such weapon, which I greatly doubt, you gain the ability to fire off your entire basic load of artillery ammunition in 20 seconds at one target. Real useful…

Few targets are worth more then 24 rounds of 155, and its better to fire from many guns so as to get good dispersion over the target.

Posted: 2002-08-13 05:41pm
by Raxmei
Actually, I suppose this weapon might be useful for shooting down Posleen landing craft.

Posted: 2002-08-13 06:28pm
by RadiO
If you need to rapidly saturate an area with HE or other payloads, there's always the MLRS. Which is here now, and can also launch tactical missiles, and is mobile . How the hell would you move a 16inch Gatling assembly at all, let alone in the field? Anti-gravity?

Posted: 2002-08-13 06:32pm
by Azeron
I hear the Swiss have a rapid fire 155 mm cannon. though I don't think it approaches the speed you are thjinking.

Besdies the gatling design is infereior to that metal storm approach.

muhahah...

Posted: 2002-08-13 07:55pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Azeron wrote:I hear the Swiss have a rapid fire 155 mm cannon. though I don't think it approaches the speed you are thjinking.
If by "rapid fire" you mean self-loading, you'd be right. I don't know the rate of fire, but it really isn't much swifter than the standard manual system.

Also, Manji: I feel like I want to hit you.

Posted: 2002-08-13 07:58pm
by Howedar
Actually, it is fully automatic (crazy, I know...)

Posted: 2002-08-13 08:02pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Howedar wrote:Actually, it is fully automatic (crazy, I know...)
Why? When would you ever need a fully automatic 155mm piece?

Posted: 2002-08-13 08:11pm
by Sea Skimmer
Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Howedar wrote:Actually, it is fully automatic (crazy, I know...)
Why? When would you ever need a fully automatic 155mm piece?
Burst fire to avoide country battery

Posted: 2002-08-13 08:56pm
by Raxmei
Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Howedar wrote:Actually, it is fully automatic (crazy, I know...)
Why? When would you ever need a fully automatic 155mm piece?
Shooting down Posleen dropships, distracting Godzilla to buy time for the Super X, saturation bombing of bug strongholds, killing an attacking sandworm....

Posted: 2002-08-13 09:29pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Sea Skimmer wrote:Burst fire to avoide country battery
That makes sense.

Posted: 2002-08-13 10:03pm
by Doomriser
This weapon is a great idea. I'm sure 500,000,000 155 mm shells let loose in 1 minute is a lot cheaper and easier to deploy than a tactical airstrike or nuke.

Posted: 2002-08-13 10:42pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
Manji, do you want to be amilitary contractor? Anyway, I think it would be better to make a faster-firing machine gun instead of a large, slower, less useful one. At 155 mm, you might as well make the bullets nukes.

Posted: 2002-08-14 01:34am
by Subnormal
Looks like Manji has a massive stockpile of 16" guns and is looking for ways to sell them to third world counties in entirely useless bohemith fighting vehicles.

Yo Manji!

Posted: 2002-08-14 04:49am
by Batman
Looks like Manji has a massive stockpile of 16" guns and is looking for ways to sell them to third world counties in entirely useless bohemith fighting vehicles.
Well, if the price is right I'm buying.My own personal 16"!!!Drool :P

How 'bout it Manji?

Oh, and it's behemoth.No offense intended, and I know it's propably anal-retentive to nitpick something like that, put the above spelling is positively weird :D

Batman

Posted: 2002-08-14 10:38am
by Cpt_Frank
:shock: Imagine what a motor such a huge gun would require to rotate the barrles at a decent speed! And constructing such an enormous barrel assembly without creating structural weaknesses is simply impossible. Imagine the centrifugal forces!

Not only is it completely useless, but also impossible to construct.

Patton said fixed fortifications are signs of the stupidity of humanity (as I read in someone's sig). What would he say about Manji's constructions???

Posted: 2002-08-14 12:25pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Cpt_Frank wrote:Patton said fixed fortifications are signs of the stupidity of humanity (as I read in someone's sig). What would he say about Manji's constructions???
"Execute this man at dawn."

Posted: 2002-08-14 07:45pm
by Sea Skimmer
Assuming he didn't just pull out one of his ivory pistols on the spot and put a round through his head.

Posted: 2002-08-14 07:52pm
by Doomriser
LOL!

In wartime, he might!

Posted: 2002-08-14 09:41pm
by Azeron
Nah the gun hte swiss has is part of a fixed foritifcation. feed automatically. Rain like hell down on enemy positions. Muderous rate of fire. Though pointless. 1 nuke and the National redout turns into the national grave

Posted: 2002-08-15 02:57am
by Subnormal
16 inchers are stone age equipment, They look and sound cool but they are worthless this day and age. One good load of cluster bombs on any target would give a desired effect, after the enemy radar and Sam sites are knocked out, but thats what we have the F-117s for. Long live Airplanes that can't be shot down by Third world countries. Anyone know where I can find some figures of how much ammo Iraq poured idioticly into the air.

Posted: 2002-08-15 03:05am
by Sea Skimmer
I dont have a link, but I've read that in the gulf war Iraq fired off over 15,000 tons of AAA ammunition and missiles.

They got 88,000 tons of bombs and missiles in return

Posted: 2002-08-15 03:12am
by Subnormal
And not a single F-117 was shot down, also at the end of the Campaign Iragi Gunners abandonned the SAM sites because F-4 Phantoms would use their own SAMS against them it is classic, use the enemy against himself, and those are Vietnam era aircraft.

Posted: 2002-08-15 03:53am
by Sea Skimmer
The Phantom was first ordered in 1955, it’s a bit older then Vietnam..

F-4 Phantom may be old, but its still a quite good aircraft, heck its still the Front line Air Defense Fighter of Germany, now with AMRAAM among other things. The 21st Century and an aircraft whose design requires dates to

Actually, I've never head of Iraqi gunners going so far as to abandon sites. The main weapon used against them was the AGM-88 High Speed Anti Radiation missile, or HARM. This has a memory mod so even if the target radar switches off it would still hit.

The result though was that after the first couple days Iraq crews took to leaving their radars off completely, and blind fire missiles when planes were around to avoid being shot for dereliction of duty..



But really, the systems weapons where 75% 1960s Soviet, with some 70s French stuff thrown in, and where attacked with thousands of modern aircraft. Only the Soivet Union or possibuly NATO its self could have taken on such an attack force with a hope of winning.