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This and even more suprficial rant than the last one, but I'm even more annoyed with it.

So I'm going to the theatre, and I'm in my 'smart acceptable going to the theatre garb' - A coweb lace top over a black basque, a long red skirt, fishnets stockings and my black coffin shoes. It's part of my style. I developed it to suit my tastes and image etc.

And out of the aforesaid school trip, about 60% of the girls weer wearing pretty much the exacty same thing - well, a similar top - only cheaper, nastier, over an AA cup bra, and with no regard for how it actually suited individual figures (one was stretched over a pubescent pot belly), and then teamed with, for example, khaki skater trousers.

I now think I understand things said in Darksyde's thread that degneratd into Goth-bashing, and for the sake of all real Goths, (and us MFGs), I would like officially join the 'ick' club for the new trend in teenygoths.

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Let me ask, right now; why?

What is so damned intellectual/interesting about dressing in black with fishnets or cobwebs or what-have-you?

innerbrat wrote: I now think I understand things said in Darksyde's thread that degneratd into Goth-bashing, and for the sake of all real Goths, (and us MFGs), I would like officially join the 'ick' club for the new trend in teenygoths.

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"New" trend?

Didn't exist in this magnitude when I was a teenager, and I'm 22.

understandable when I was a teenager, a bunch of us AV types decided that the duster coats were just so cool, as you actually could care shit in your pockets, and they looked good for High School action adventure, martial arts, or western movie making....

you know how sick we gamers in our thirties are of Teen Goths and Columbiine heads.

Ugh, I still remember this fifth grader, with the pot belly and all, trying to dress "sexy" as some high school girls do (exposed belly, trying to expose midriff, with no midriss to show for it, short shorts, etc...). I didn't find it sexy or anything (granted I'm a high school senior and all), and I though it was just disgusting. And incredibly vain. And then I wondered...what were her parents thinking (no back back, no jacket, so she either changed at school and left her stuff there for some reason, or she walked out like that)?!

Its a personal thing, hemlock, and its fucking annoying when people start dressing like that for the sole purpose of "looking cool". Well, really I think it is that people who have an emotional issue (be it break up issues, etc) get it into their heads that they hav to change their entire style to show this. They say "oh, my boyfriend broke up with me and im sad so I'll dress black and hang with a crowd i dont know yet just to make myself feel like im worth something."

People like that are annoying. Me, I wear black. Why? Because tis an elegant color. It goes with anything too. Why do you think formal wear is almost always black? Granted I dont wear formal wear, I wear wide leg jeans, but I like long flowing garments. I'd have a trench coat if I could find a Matrix style one. And a floor length leather kilt, Peace Keeper/Scarran style. But I dont' wear these things because "its cool to be depressed". I wear these things because they appeal to me. I don't listen to "goth music" (such as souxie and the banshees) i listen to metal. I don't think about death except when it comes to ways to avoid it.

To sum up my opinion on the pseudogoths I rely on Lord Maddox..


http://maddox.xmission.com/gothagain.html

innerbrat wrote:Didn't exist in this magnitude when I was a teenager, and I'm 22.

Dear god, when I was a teenager there were Goths, Punks, ravers, the "Combat-wearers", and techno-gear crowds all represented at our local colleges and Uni (at lunch times the streets of the local town would be packed with huge roving bands of them, in their particular dress cliques), and I'm only 30. It's far from a new trend.

HemlockGrey wrote:Let me ask, right now; why?

What is so damned intellectual/interesting about dressing in black with fishnets or cobwebs or what-have-you?

Didn't notice this earlier, for some reason.

Nothing's intellectual about it - it's clothes, for Bob's sake! Do you actually choose your clothes because they're 'intellectual'? Because that's never gonna work.

I wear cobweb lace and fishnet because I like them and they look good on me. And, until today, I could pull it off as an individual style (yes, even in goth and rock clubs)

kojikun wrote: I don't listen to "goth music" (such as souxie and the banshees) i listen to metal. I don't think about death except when it comes to ways to avoid it.

Well, you should. Siouxsie rocks!

Sorry, had to get that in there. I listen to metal as well.

Hmm. I usually just go everywhere in jeans, sneaks, and a T-shirt, although if I go to a foreign country I'll probably dress Matrix-style.

Rob Wilson wrote:

innerbrat wrote:Didn't exist in this magnitude when I was a teenager, and I'm 22.

Dear god, when I was a teenager there were Goths, Punks, ravers, the "Combat-wearers", and techno-gear crowds all represented at our local colleges and Uni (at lunch times the streets of the local town would be packed with huge roving bands of them, in their particular dress cliques), and I'm only 30. It's far from a new trend.

Yes, but then it was the first time round, and it actually was Goth.
I'm just saying that there were things posted in the last thread I didn't believe in, because I, and all my friends, dress individually (within a very general style, but we have our own areas).
ALL these girls were dressed exactly the same - something that I've never seen among people even my age.
And there were very few teenygoths in the nineties, becasue the Osbournes wasn't on telly.

HemlockGrey wrote:Hmm. I usually just go everywhere in jeans, sneaks, and a T-shirt, although if I go to a foreign country I'll probably dress Matrix-style.

And what's so intellectual/interesting about that?
Why should I have to justify liking nice clothes?

Bwahaha! By trying to conform to the social norm(T-shirt + jeans) I've actually become NON-conformist!

Incredible!

And what's so intellectual/interesting about that?
Why should I have to justify liking nice clothes?

Not a damn thing. I just wondered why it was so popular all of a sudden, and especially among students of the arts.

HemlockGrey wrote:Hmm. I usually just go everywhere in jeans, sneaks, and a T-shirt, although if I go to a foreign country I'll probably dress Matrix-style.

lol, i did the matrix style thing when i went to montreal! can't walk around looking like some assclown yankee tourist u know.

HemlockGrey wrote:

And what's so intellectual/interesting about that?
Why should I have to justify liking nice clothes?

Not a damn thing. I just wondered why it was so popular all of a sudden, and especially among students of the arts.

I blame the Osbournes (love em to pieces, I really do, but). "Oooh - There's this family on telly and they've got crosses all over their house so they must be Goth, and the annoying boy/girl is exactly like my annoying brother/sister and I wish my Dad was like that..."
...
"Who?"
...
"Black what?"

And I also blame Marilyn Manson, even though he's been around for a while now...

Yeah, the people who worship the Osbournes but have never heard N.I.B make me very violent.

The Osbournes arent to blame, they just gave a style to already mindless drones. Burn all of those who dont know of Black Sabbath!!!

kojikun wrote:The Osbournes arent to blame, they just gave a style to already mindless drones. Burn all of those who dont know of Black Sabbath!!!

Yes, but they gave my style to them.
They couldn't have given them someone elses? I like my cobweb lace.

:: You have to get your style from somewhere. Besides, the osbournes are more metalhead then goth. its more the bratty children then the family as a whole. i doubt anyone will claim Ozzylove is goth.

I blame The Crow.

I know, but it still irks me.

I totally agree with you that liking Ozzy isn't necessarily Goth - but that makes it even more annoying, see?

I was told once on a tube on the way to an Alice concert - "I assume you like Sisters of Mercy: - you wouldn't dress like that if you didn't". Now, while I do actually disapprove of judging one's taste in music by their tast in clothes, in a totally hypocritical way, it irks me to think so many of the teenygoths may not eevn have heard of the Sisters.

(I do like them, BTW, if you were wondering)

I downloaded a few Siouxsie songs. Peekaboo is freakishly dancable. I dont know wtf shes singing about but I like the rhythm. ::dances on the cieling::

Add to that some Sisters and Alice. I must say, this seems pretty tame for the teenygoth uberdepressed crowd. This is actually pretty perky.

Isn't amazing how quickly people find themselves hating teenagers so soon after they stop being teenagers. I know I started loathing the little bastards about a week after my 20th birthday. I think it's something about high school that makes them all insufferable.

And before the resident teenagers jump into this thread to denounce my ill-informed predjudice, just wait until you turn 20. I promise you'll find yourself disliking teens, too (except maybe for the "barely legal" kind you can find on the Internet for $39.95 per month).