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Dems target .50 Cal Revolver for Nationwide ban..

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:40pm
by MKSheppard
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp? ... 0217b.html

Democrat Targets .50 Caliber Revolver for Nationwide Ban
By Michael L. Betsch
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 17, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - A well-known gun maker recently introduced a powerful new hunting revolver that is said to have no equal in terms of firepower.

But within days of introducing the Smith & Wesson 500 Magnum at an industry-wide trade show in Florida, an anti-gun Democrat promised to seek a nationwide ban on the product.

"It's hard for me to rationalize any particular need or purpose" for the 500 Magnum, said Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.). "I think guns are made to kill people. That's my opinion."

Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Billed as the "most powerful production revolver in the world today," S&W claims its new 500 Magnum cartridge produces nearly three times the muzzle energy of the .44 Magnum round, one of the most powerful sidearm cartridges available.

But Davis said the .50 caliber revolver, which weighs 72.5 ounces and has an overall length 15-inch has no purpose in society except to cause injury and death to humans, dismissing the manufacturer's claim that it is intended for hunting wild game.

He claimed handguns in general are specifically designed kill fellow human beings, whereas rifles and shotguns are typically relegated to hunting animals.

"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."

Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.

"If you live in a place like Chicago, and you know the amount of violence that is perpetrated by individuals who grow-up with the idea that having, handling and using a gun is a way-of-life in terms of establishing yourself on the streets or as part of the culture, then I'm afraid that many of these individuals will, in fact, acquire this weapon," Davis said.

"And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.

Can a revolver be an assault weapon?

While Smith & Wesson's new five-round revolver is billed by the company as "the most powerful production revolver ever made," it's already being reclassified by some gun control advocates.

"If you've got something that masquerades as a handgun, but has the firepower of a major weapon, you're all at risk," said Illinois State House Majority Leader Barbara Flynn Currie. "This is not the Wild West. It hasn't been for a long time."

Currie compared the 500 Magnum to "military-style assault weapons," although she had no information to base her claims on except for a "tip" received from a reporter.

"I'm not a weapons expert, but it sounded like pretty strong firepower to me," Currie said. "The description I heard was that from a significant range you could fell a large bear."

She dismissed the notion that the 500 Magnum is a hunting revolver, but did equate it with mob violence.

"My concern is whether this kind of weaponry -- it is a handgun as I understand it -- in a crowded, urban area downtown street corners in the midst of people who are angry about something and developing the kind of range that means vandalism and mob action - whether this kind of weapon has any place," Currie said.

Like Davis, Currie said she would examine the prospects of making the sidearm illegal in the state.

"I'm going to look at the technology, as I say, and see if there is any way to specifically keep it from operating in the state of Illinois," Flynn said. "We are also working on efforts to ban military-style assault weapons, and, perhaps there is something about this technology that makes it possible to amend that legislation to include firepower like this."

Anti-gun message said to be flawed

Rifles are most commonly used for hunting, but many gun enthusiasts have also used smaller side arms for hunting, according to Gun Owners of America Executive Director Larry Pratt, who corrected the claim by Davis that hunters don't use revolvers to shoot prey.

"He's quite ignorant because there are people who do," Pratt said. "I do know for a fact that people take large caliber handguns with them to go hunting. And, I have no doubt that if you were lucky enough to get close enough, you could take a deer down with a .44 Magnum, which until now, was the biggest gun around."

As far as Davis' contention that any would-be criminal could easily conceal the 500 Magnum, Pratt said, "Yeah, if you have a trench coat or something like that."

Asked if the 500 Magnum's predecessor, the .44 Magnum faced the same criticisms and threats by politicians upon its introduction in 1955, Pratt said the controversy over Smith and Wesson's latest offering appears to be a sign of the times.

"It was all sort of good clean fun when it was introduced, but we're 20 years further along the gun-hating sensitivity training," Pratt said. "We're talking about the frame of mind that opposes concealed carry by private citizens."

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My favorite quote:
Originally posted by Herr Walther:
"You don't go out hunting deer with a revolver," Davis said. "Those of us who live in big, urban centers have a different fear and a different take than some people who may live in different environments."
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Uh, gee...that looks awfully like a REVOLVER to me.....

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:42pm
by Joe
*groan* And the anti-gun, anti-constitution jihad continues never ends.

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:43pm
by Nathan F
*grumble*

Idiots...

I mean, does the stupidity never end?

What is this bull about not using pistols to hunt with, anyways? I mean, good gosh! One would think that they would actually make an attempt to learn something about what they want to ban before making remarks that makes their IQ seem about 30 points lower and ruins their credibility in further arguments.

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:43pm
by Sea Skimmer
People seeking to ban a weapon that has no use BUT hunting because its not used for hunting should be barred from public office, then deported to North Korea. Hopefully the North Koreans will use them as human shields for there nukes, allowing us to locate and bomb them.

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:46pm
by Sr.mal
Funny I seem to recall 3 seperate occasion where I hunted white tail deer with a .44 Mag.

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:46pm
by darthdavid
Probably the same people who wanna knock down the wall between church and state and wanna force every one to become vegan. Evil morons. :evil:

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:49pm
by Nathan F
hehehehe, that or we send them with those European human shields to Iraq...

Posted: 2003-02-17 10:57pm
by weemadando
Again we have people demonstrating the inability to differentiate between gun control and gun bans.

This applies to both sides of the arguement.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:00pm
by Alyeska
He ignores the fact that the most common pistol used in crime is the 9mm and that any gang banger trying to fire this pistol is likely to break their hand.

Magnums are freaking powerful. It reminds me of a California town banning the .50cal rifle ignoring practical considerations.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:01pm
by aerius
Cut & pasted from another forum:
...its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs.
My carry gun is much smaller, at 6.85 inches in length, and it's a big-time struggle to keep it concealed; and I've got a few different holsters for it, none of which make it easy to conceal. My carry gun also weighs about 31 ounces loaded, which practically pulls my pants down. This .50 Magnum is 15 inches long and weighs 72.5 ounces. Sorry, Rep. Danny Davis (D-Ill.), but you're as ignorant as the .50 Magnum is hard to conceal -- very.
....Davis believes the 500 Magnum has a greater potential for becoming a lethal inner-city status symbol than an effective hunting tool, at least in his congressional district. He added that its high power combined with its concealability could make it the "weapon of choice" for urban gangs....

...."And, of course, the thing will be, 'I've got the most powerful piece on the block,'" he said.
I don't know about his congressional district, but most of the gang bangers in the Detroit area aren't carrying around .44 magnums. Why? Because, on one's person, most .44 magnums will bulge through one's clothing. And, let me say it again: this .50 Magnum is 15 inches long and weighs 72.5 ounces. And I also don't think .454 Casull handguns are too popular in the gang set either.

These are the same types of imbeciles who fought like crazy to have bayonet mounts on guns made illegal, because, as we all know, killings in this country using rifle-mounted bayonets was getting out of hand.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:04pm
by Nathan F
weemadando wrote:Again we have people demonstrating the inability to differentiate between gun control and gun bans.

This applies to both sides of the arguement.
Oh? Really? So, I am assuming that this statement doesn't have anythign to do with the difference between gun control and gun bans:
Asked if he would seek a nationwide ban on the 500 Magnum, Davis replied, "Yes, indeed."

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:04pm
by Ren
I don't know much about guns but wasn't there another .50 caliber gun already out called the Desert Eagle?

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:07pm
by MKSheppard
Ren wrote:I don't know much about guns but wasn't there another .50 caliber gun already out called the Desert Eagle?
DE is a Piece of Shit. You have to clean it religiously or else it will jam.

The downside of a Gas-operated mechanism....

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:07pm
by Joe
Ren wrote:I don't know much about guns but wasn't there another .50 caliber gun already out called the Desert Eagle?
The Desert Eagle can be .50 caliber, I think.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:07pm
by Howedar
One type of Desert Eagle fired a lighter .50cal cartridge, the .50 Action Express.

I think.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:08pm
by Sea Skimmer
Ren wrote:I don't know much about guns but wasn't there another .50 caliber gun already out called the Desert Eagle?
Yes the Desert Eagle comes in .50 and .357, there are a few others as well. This is just the first .50cal revolver. There is no logic at all behind these Democrates statments at all.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:08pm
by Nathan F
There are a couple .50 caliber guns on the market, including your aforementioned .50 Desert Eagle Magnum.

There is the .50 BMG, the .50-70 (obsolete, yet still in small production), as well as some more that I know of, yet cannot remember the name off the top of my head. Any help?

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:13pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Desert Eagle was usually for the .44 Magnum and is gigantic itself.

I think it also had an .50 AE but this is a different cartridge.

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:21pm
by darthdavid
Really, It'd be easier to conceal a sawed off shotgun than a 15 inch long revolver and in gang warfare having to spend about a minute reloading after six shots when your opponets reload in about 15 seconds with their automatic pistols you'd be so full of lead it wouldn't matter how big your gun was. :)

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:34pm
by Ren
So there have been .50 calibur pistols out for a while now but all of the sudden they need to be banned because someone released a new model. What the hell have they been smoking?

Posted: 2003-02-17 11:37pm
by Nathan F
The same thing they have been smoking since the 60s when these ridiculous 'looks based' or 'name based' bans started coming out.

Posted: 2003-02-18 02:26am
by Rubberanvil
Ren wrote:I don't know much about guns but wasn't there another .50 caliber gun already out called the Desert Eagle?
There's also the "Grizzly" which is overshadowed by the DE.