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Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 09:04pm
by Big Phil
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/200 ... alin_N.htm
Bristol Palin, boyfriend break up
WASILLA, Alaska (AP) — The engagement is off for the teenage daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and the father of her baby. Levi Johnston told The Associated Press on Wednesday that he and Bristol Palin mutually decided "a while ago" to end their relationship. The 19-year-old Johnston declined to elaborate.
Eighteen-year-old Bristol Palin says in a statement to the AP that she is "devastated."

The two are the parents of a boy named Tripp, who was born Dec. 27.

Sarah Palin revealed her daughter's pregnancy days after being named John McCain's running mate on the Republican presidential ticket.

In an interview that aired on Fox News last month, Bristol Palin said her fiance saw the baby every day and described him as a "hands-on" dad.

The two had said they were considering a summer wedding.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Whoever bet Under six months is the big winner. I suspect they broke up back in December or January, but only announced in now.


Feel free to move this somewhere else if this is too fluffy a news story for N&P

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 09:21pm
by FSTargetDrone
Better than them being in a marriage neither of them may have wanted, especially at that age.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 09:50pm
by Alyeska
Good for her. She shouldn't let her Mother ruin her life for political points.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 09:55pm
by TithonusSyndrome
If it's she who is devastated and Johnston won't talk, then my bets tend towards him being struck with a fleeting glimpse of what marriage would have meant for him in a rare moment of clarity and voted in favor of not growing up.

Either way, good for her. The fewer people tied down to adolescent caricatures of excess, the better.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 10:05pm
by Aratech
Not surprised, but still... I've seen Hollywood celebrity engagements that've lasted longer.

*shrugs*


Wonder how dear ole mum is reacting to this.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 10:47pm
by Gil Hamilton
Who knew politically motivated shotgun marriages don't last?

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-11 10:49pm
by Phantasee
Poor girl. Single motherhood isn't easy, even if you're living in the Governor's mansion. Well, it'll be easier, but it's still not the same as being 18 and carefree.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 07:15am
by Zixinus
Wait till Sarah Palin starts preaching about family values.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 08:01am
by Eleas
In what way is this "news" or "politics"?

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 08:09am
by Coyote
Eleas wrote:In what way is this "news" or "politics"?
Because she's the daughter of a strict "family values" politician who used her as a prop in her campaign and may run again in a few years... so there is a political angle to it, but kind of a tenuous one.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 08:17am
by Eleas
Coyote wrote:
Eleas wrote:In what way is this "news" or "politics"?
Because she's the daughter of a strict "family values" politician who used her as a prop in her campaign and may run again in a few years... so there is a political angle to it, but kind of a tenuous one.
I grant that. However, the thread's title and the OP together make it sound as if the main point of it all is gloating, which strikes me as fairly cheap, all things considered.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 02:00pm
by Big Phil
Eleas wrote:
Coyote wrote:
Eleas wrote:In what way is this "news" or "politics"?
Because she's the daughter of a strict "family values" politician who used her as a prop in her campaign and may run again in a few years... so there is a political angle to it, but kind of a tenuous one.
I grant that. However, the thread's title and the OP together make it sound as if the main point of it all is gloating, which strikes me as fairly cheap, all things considered.
It is gloating; what's wrong with that? Am I supposed to give a shit about this silly little girl and her bastard? This puts to rest any sort of family values argument - there's no family values here, just a cheap, stupid whore and her meathead ex-boyfriend breaking up after she pops out the kid.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 02:33pm
by Eleas
SancheztheWhaler wrote:It is gloating; what's wrong with that? Am I supposed to give a shit about this silly little girl and her bastard? This puts to rest any sort of family values argument - there's no family values here, just a cheap, stupid whore and her meathead ex-boyfriend breaking up after she pops out the kid.
I'm not a mod, nor am I trying to institute some sort of ethical committee here. I'm simply wondering why anyone would give a shit, since its newsworthiness approaches zero. If you want to point and laugh at retards, feel free; I can't see why you have to file "stupid people being stupid" under News and Politics, particularly given the recent efforts made at cleaning up this subforum.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 03:24pm
by Posner
SancheztheWhaler wrote:
It is gloating; what's wrong with that? Am I supposed to give a shit about this silly little girl and her bastard? This puts to rest any sort of family values argument - there's no family values here, just a cheap, stupid whore and her meathead ex-boyfriend breaking up after she pops out the kid.
Wow, there's a lot of rage about something that doesn't affect you. I think it's funny that the teen daughter of an abstinence promotor got pregnant and was planning on marrying some buffoon. I don't see how she is a cheap, stupid whore in all of this. She just did what most teenagers do- have sex. She should have practiced safe sex of course, but I see no reason to call her a whore.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 03:33pm
by Big Phil
Eleas wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote:It is gloating; what's wrong with that? Am I supposed to give a shit about this silly little girl and her bastard? This puts to rest any sort of family values argument - there's no family values here, just a cheap, stupid whore and her meathead ex-boyfriend breaking up after she pops out the kid.
I'm not a mod, nor am I trying to institute some sort of ethical committee here. I'm simply wondering why anyone would give a shit, since its newsworthiness approaches zero. If you want to point and laugh at retards, feel free; I can't see why you have to file "stupid people being stupid" under News and Politics, particularly given the recent efforts made at cleaning up this subforum.
Which is why, in my very first post, I said "Feel free to move this somewhere else if this is too fluffy a news story for N&P." Go bitch at Olrik, Valdemar, Stas Bush and Keevan Colton if you don't want this thread in N&P.
Posner wrote:Wow, there's a lot of rage about something that doesn't affect you. I think it's funny that the teen daughter of an abstinence promotor got pregnant and was planning on marrying some buffoon. I don't see how she is a cheap, stupid whore in all of this. She just did what most teenagers do- have sex. She should have practiced safe sex of course, but I see no reason to call her a whore.
Who are you, Miss Manners?

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 03:45pm
by Posner
SancheztheWhaler wrote: Who are you, Miss Manners?
I'm not trying to defend the honor of Bristol Palin. I just don't understand why you would call her a whore.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 03:57pm
by seanrobertson
Posner wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote: Who are you, Miss Manners?
I'm not trying to defend the honor of Bristol Palin. I just don't understand why you would call her a whore.
No, not just a whore: a cheap, stupid whore.

I agree with you, Posner. What happened to actually, oh, I dunno ... backing your shit up in this place?

I remember a time when, had I said X was a "cheap, white-trash whore," I'd have to substantiate that claim; a tacit false dilemma or appeal to mockery ("Who are you, Miss Manners?") wouldn't fucking cut it.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 04:04pm
by The Romulan Republic
Personally I'm disgusted that people attack Bristol Palin apparently just because they don't like her mother. As for calling her a whore, you sound like the "family values" Christian right, calling a teenage girl a whore for having sex and referring to her child as a bastard.

What we seem to have here is a typical case of two teenagers have sex, one of them getting pregnant, and the relationship later falling apart. It sadly happens a lot, and it can happen to perfectly good people. If you can show me a reason to attack Bristol Palin, fine. If you can show how her behavior here is so much worse than lots of other normal teenagers, fine. But you haven't done that.

The whole situation is ironic in light of her family's religious and political beliefs, but its not Bristol Palin's fault who her family is. Even is she has pro-abstinence and "family values" beliefs, at the worst that makes her a hypocrit, just like, oh, everyone else in the world to some extent. As in fact I would suspect you are being, given that you appear to be condemning "family values" while calling a teenage girl who has extra-marital sex a whore.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 04:27pm
by Big Phil
Oh good jesus... miss manners responses left and right and pissiness over name calling... on SDNET of all places. To top it off, we've got seanrobertson talking about the good old days. I could understand the outrage if this were a serious issue, but considering it's two idiot teenagers who've been callously used by the GOP as shining examples of family values... :roll:

OK, let's substantiate the name calling:

1. Cheap - according to Huffington Post, Levi Johnston is an unemployed baby daddy. At the time when he knocked Bristol Palin up, he was a high school hockey player, with minimal future prospects as he wasn't even a particularly good hockey player. Considering that Bristol got knocked up by the Alaskan equivalent of trailer trash, I think the cheap adjective is appropriate, as she probably could have done better than a white trash, unemployed meathead.
2. Stupid - In this interview, Bristol doesn't exactly come across as particularly bright, worldly, or forward thinking. She sounds like a naive, ignorant, [GASP] stupid girl, who wasn't thinking beyond the next party or when she'd get to fuck her meathead boyfriend next. I don't have access to an IQ test, but I suspect based on her performance in this video she's not exactly the brightest bulb. Therefore Bristol Palin = stupid.
3. Whore - Perhaps the least accurate adjective (I'm not claiming she's fucked large numbers of men or taken money in exchange for sex), I'm using the term in a more general sense, that males and females who have sex without considering the consequence are whores. I could have just as easily called Levi Johnston a whore, but I liked the terms "meathead" and "white trash" better.

There you go, proof that Bristol Palin is a cheap, stupid whore.

I'm not going to apologize or refrain from referring to them as such, and I don't really give a shit at the "disgust" or appeals to the good old days when personal opinions required substantiation. Considering the faux outrage and unnecessary drama being peddled because of my reference to Bristol and Levi as, respectively, "cheap, stupid whore" and "white trash meathead," and unless there's really something to be gained by the drama over these two idiots and their respective idiot families, perhaps the mods should consider simply locking the thread.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 04:53pm
by erik_t
Frankly sounds like a pile of rah rah internet tough guy to me.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 06:00pm
by seanrobertson
SancheztheWhaler wrote:Oh good jesus... miss manners responses left and right and pissiness over name calling... on SDNET of all places.
When it's nothing more than unwarranted posturing? You're goddamned right, "Sanchez."
To top it off, we've got seanrobertson talking about the good old days.
I was being sarcastic :roll: The laws of the land haven't gone lax where actually supporting your contentions are concerned. Your zeal to talk tough about a couple of fucking children and an infant don't excuse you from that, nor is the site's credo or your Miss Manners whining any kind of defense.
I could understand the outrage if this were a serious issue, but considering it's two idiot teenagers who've been callously used by the GOP as shining examples of family values... :roll:
I see. It's "fluff," so it's okay to ... how did you put it? Interject "personal opinions without substantiation"?

Cute.
OK, let's substantiate the name calling:

1. Cheap - according to Huffington Post, Levi Johnston is an unemployed baby daddy. At the time when he knocked Bristol Palin up, he was a high school hockey player, with minimal future prospects as he wasn't even a particularly good hockey player. Considering that Bristol got knocked up by the Alaskan equivalent of trailer trash, I think the cheap adjective is appropriate, as she probably could have done better than a white trash, unemployed meathead.
You're veering close to a red herring now. You called Bristol cheap (" ... just a cheap, stupid whore"), not Levi. Do his "minimal future prospects" (guess he's not going for higher education) just ... rub off on her? She's cheap because she deigned to carry on with a kid from the wrong side of the tracks?

Incidentally, are you fucking kidding me? You're seriously citing the fact that the boy's in high school to demonstrate that he's not packing serious ducats?! :lol:
2. Stupid - In this interview, Bristol doesn't exactly come across as particularly bright, worldly, or forward thinking. She sounds like a naive, ignorant, [GASP] stupid girl, who wasn't thinking beyond the next party or when she'd get to fuck her meathead boyfriend next. I don't have access to an IQ test, but I suspect based on her performance in this video she's not exactly the brightest bulb. Therefore Bristol Palin = stupid.
Brilliant. A teenage girl comes off bad in one interview; therefore, she must be stupid.

You are familiar with the false dilemma, are you not? :banghead:
3. Whore - Perhaps the least accurate adjective (I'm not claiming she's fucked large numbers of men or taken money in exchange for sex), I'm using the term in a more general sense, that males and females who have sex without considering the consequence are whores. I could have just as easily called Levi Johnston a whore, but I liked the terms "meathead" and "white trash" better.

There you go, proof that Bristol Palin is a cheap, stupid whore.
Shit argument. The girl's a whore based on the world's most highly-generalized definition of the word -- one which I've yet to find in any dictionary, I might add?
I'm not going to apologize or refrain from referring to them as such, and I don't really give a shit at the "disgust" or appeals to the good old days when personal opinions required substantiation.
"Opinions" have always required some reasoning here. Why you think the teenaged Palin and her "bastard" child are a free-for-all for all manner of unsupported vitriol is no exception.
Considering the faux outrage and unnecessary drama being peddled because of my reference to Bristol and Levi as, respectively, "cheap, stupid whore" and "white trash meathead," and unless there's really something to be gained by the drama over these two idiots and their respective idiot families, perhaps the mods should consider simply locking the thread.
In other words, you were waving your dick around in little more than a "look at me, I hate the GOP too!" post, and now you want to run away when called on it.

Gotcha.

But before you sign off, let me interject this: except from the rather casual way in which you called this little girl a "whore," I'd no real problem with your first few posts nor the OP -- aside from "white trash," which is on a rough par with ethnic slurs in my part of the U.S.

What I don't like is this obvious -- and clearly very emotionally-charged -- disregard for good taste and the site's rules whenever a Palin or ilk are mentioned. We might pride ourselves on focusing on substance over style; and yeah, of course we're going to mock stupidity/stupid people.

The trouble is, posters like you get so hung up on the latter, you seem to forget that this isn't an anti-GOP free-for-all. You call a 17-year-old -- truly, a CHILD -- a "whore," and you can bet your ass people will want to know why.

Perhaps you aren't ordinarily like this; if that's the case, I apologize for the generalization. You might be a great guy and we'd hit it off in-person. But for the little it's worth to you, that's my rule of thumb when it comes to "mockery of stupid people": I don't say anything here, about anyone, that I would not say to their face.

... and as poorly as I regard the Palins (well, aside from Sarah's legs) in any number of measures, I wouldn't see any reason to call a little kid like Bristol a cheap, stupid whore were we to meet face-to-face.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 06:04pm
by Aratech
erik_t wrote:Frankly sounds like a pile of rah rah internet tough guy to me.
Perhaps, but it cannot be forgotten that Bristol made a colossally stupid decision here. At the same time, hundreds of other teenagers across the country make this same stupid decision every day of the week, so no matter what has happened, I still hold out a little bit of hope that she might yet find a worthwhile male partner who isn't an irresponsible "meathead."

I truly feel sorry for the baby, though. Maybe I'm again feeling/acting overly cynical, but I suspect Queen Palin the Bitch, Supreme Ruler of Alaska will not be a woman to easily forget or forgive the fact that her daughter inadvertently shot the legs out from under the 'family values' part of the campaign platform, no matter how illogical or ill applied that vendetta may be (as Palin has proven that she can be nothing if not vindictive). With luck, I'm wrong, and she will be a loving, supporting grandmother who cares nothing for the fact that the child is a bastard (sorry to use the term, technically he is) or the fact that daddy essentially skedaddled. However, given the past behavior towards those that mommy Palin has felt 'wronged' her (Troopergate, her deplorable behavior during the campaign, etc) I don't hold out high hope.

And hell if I don't feel like a bastard for saying this...

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 11:29pm
by K. A. Pital
This thread has really devolved. Off-Topic is a better destination in any case, especially after the trashing it received which isn't even relevant to it's theme. More flood here, and it'll be flushed to HoS.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 11:32pm
by Darth Wong
seanrobertson wrote:
Posner wrote:
SancheztheWhaler wrote: Who are you, Miss Manners?
I'm not trying to defend the honor of Bristol Palin. I just don't understand why you would call her a whore.
No, not just a whore: a cheap, stupid whore.

I agree with you, Posner. What happened to actually, oh, I dunno ... backing your shit up in this place?

I remember a time when, had I said X was a "cheap, white-trash whore," I'd have to substantiate that claim; a tacit false dilemma or appeal to mockery ("Who are you, Miss Manners?") wouldn't fucking cut it.
Nonsense. The phrase "cheap white-trash whore" is obviously an insult, and not meant to be a literal scientific assessment, hence it does not require the kind of literal justification that a scientific assessment would. She most likely does not fit the literal definition of "whore" which is "prostitute", although she is obviously white trash.

Re: Bristol Palin and her white trash boyfriend break up

Posted: 2009-03-12 11:34pm
by Darth Wong
Stas Bush wrote:This thread has really devolved. Off-Topic is a better destination in any case, especially after the trashing it received which isn't even relevant to it's theme. More flood here, and it'll be flushed to HoS.
Keep in mind that while this is arguably an inconsequential matter in terms of politics, one could have said the same thing about Reverend Wright, which no one ever questioned as a matter of legitimate political importance.

Yes, it's tabloid trash news. But so was the Reverend Wright "scandal", and that is unfortunately what politics has become.