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Man, I WISH I could hire on those criteria. I'm so fucking SICK AND TIRED of the assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis. "Oh, my child has a cold, I can't come in" "I can't work on Sundays" "I can't work evening shifts" What bullshit.

These fucking people suddenly have NO family whatsoever to watch their kid's snot run from his nose? Suddenly, EVERYBODY is going to church? Suddenly everyone is afraid of the dark? Bullshit. Last I heard, church doesn't last all fucking day. And the "funny" thing is, family members just so happen to get sick around a holiday when we're open...

So tomorrow we're having a meeting. These same turds that bleat about "not enough hours" is questioning why we're hiring more people. I can't WAIT to hear the bawling. We've hired people with the specific understanding that they must work weekends and nights. Glorious.

Is there anything in their contracts about how many hours they have to work? Or what kind of absences they can do before they get punished?

Morons.

If you have people who often-wont work night or Sundays, cut them off from those hours and find replacements you can count on. Tell them that either they work a time slot consistently or not at all.

neoolong wrote:Is there anything in their contracts about how many hours they have to work? Or what kind of absences they can do before they get punished?

Well, I've been told not to schedule anyone go over 35 hours a week, which will probably cause a few to walk out then and there. Absences are penalized if they are "no call, no show" variety, or three consecutive days. They know this, so they bring up sick baby, sick mother, on Thursday night. When the regular weekend people call off, I have to pool the resources of the weekday workers, with very limited results.

Yeah, they want their hours, but not if it will inconvenience them.

Lord Poe wrote:

neoolong wrote:Is there anything in their contracts about how many hours they have to work? Or what kind of absences they can do before they get punished?

Well, I've been told not to schedule anyone go over 35 hours a week, which will probably cause a few to walk out then and there. Absences are penalized if they are "no call, no show" variety, or three consecutive days. They know this, so they bring up sick baby, sick mother, on Thursday night. When the regular weekend people call off, I have to pool the resources of the weekday workers, with very limited results.

Yeah, they want their hours, but not if it will inconvenience them.

Too bad you can't make them show proof of what their excuse is.

Spoiled assholes. My parents worked their asses off, weekends, nights, whatever it took. Yeah, they might not have been happy about it, but life's like that sometimes and they were realistic about it.
Being a childless atheist meself, and a night person to boot, I have no problems with this.


P.S. I got the AOTC ICS this week, noticed two familiar names in the acknowedgements, congratulations!

Sea Skimmer wrote:Morons.

If you have people who often-wont work night or Sundays, cut them off from those hours and find replacements you can count on. Tell them that either they work a time slot consistently or not at all.

Yup, that's how its shaping up. Got two new trainees right now earmarked for weekends and nights. Again, can't wait to hear the complaints.

I would want to take a sunday off simply cause I'd want at least one day out of the whole week to take a break and chill.

neoolong wrote:Too bad you can't make them show proof of what their excuse is.

Only works with medical excuses!

Shinova wrote:I would want to take a sunday off simply cause I'd want at least one day out of the whole week to take a break and chill.

Any specific reason for Sunday?

Frank Hipper wrote:Being a childless atheist meself, and a night person to boot, I have no problems with this.

Good. Get down to California, get a class- B license and call me!

P.S. I got the AOTC ICS this week, noticed two familiar names in the acknowedgements, congratulations!

Heh. That is great, but then again it gives whiny Trekkies asshole cowards license to dismiss it because of those names. As if we were somehow able to mentally influence Curtis on what he should write....

Lord Poe wrote:Man, I WISH I could hire on those criteria. I'm so fucking SICK AND TIRED of the assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis. "Oh, my child has a cold, I can't come in" "I can't work on Sundays" "I can't work evening shifts" What bullshit.

These fucking people suddenly have NO family whatsoever to watch their kid's snot run from his nose? Suddenly, EVERYBODY is going to church? Suddenly everyone is afraid of the dark? Bullshit. Last I heard, church doesn't last all fucking day. And the "funny" thing is, family members just so happen to get sick around a holiday when we're open...

So tomorrow we're having a meeting. These same turds that bleat about "not enough hours" is questioning why we're hiring more people. I can't WAIT to hear the bawling. We've hired people with the specific understanding that they must work weekends and nights. Glorious.

I know what you mean. Just this week we had a guy call out because his baby was sick. You would think his wife could handle it but she was at the hospital with one of their other kids. They are one of those families that has five kids. The most recent kid, the baby, is absolutely because they don't believe in using birth control because of religion. 40+ years old and having your 5th kid just because it happened.

Where I work people complain about working weekends and evenings too but the real complaints come through when they have to rotate through on graveyards (which is what I always work). I swear I've never heard more pissing and moaning from healthy adults and all because they have to work 3-4 days of graveyard shift a year. Try doing it 5 days a week all year!

Back on topic: I think you can run into problems with both single and family people. They both can be good too. People with families have more riding on them keeping their job and getting paid so that's a motivator for them to show up. Unfortunately it's also a motivator for them not to leave even if they hate the job. They'll just keep coming in and collecting that paycheck. Single people do this to but not as much.

Now, I have to say that one of the single people who works my shift has hosed me more than any of the people with families. He's called in sick so he can party several times. He's also tried to get out of work for weak ass stuff. The people with family on my shift have so far only affected me in only in how the schedule is laid out and I'm not hosed in any way by that layout.

It's easy for me to get on a rant about people missing work because other than for two funerals I've not missed any work or school since 1986. I don't get sick that often anymore and when I do it takes a lot for me to stay home. A lot of the people I work with are wusses in that respect. Luckilly, except for that one guy, the people on my shift are like me when it comes to showing up for work.

Do you have a lot of single people with kids working for you, or people where both parents (have to) work?

I suppose what I have to say won't be that popular around here, then ...

I don't work nights. I don't work weekends. I occasionally book time off for family activities. Why? Because I have enough skills to tell the company that these are the terms under which I will be employed, and if they don't like it, I can always get a job elsewhere.

If there's one thing I've learned about the workplace, it's that any attempt to "impress the boss" by working long hours and letting the company run your personal life will only impress him in the short term. In the long term, it makes him believe that he can count on this from you, and you will find that management will expect it. Always make it very clear on the first day what you will and will not do for the company.

Lord Poe wrote:

neoolong wrote:Is there anything in their contracts about how many hours they have to work? Or what kind of absences they can do before they get punished?

Well, I've been told not to schedule anyone go over 35 hours a week, which will probably cause a few to walk out then and there. Absences are penalized if they are "no call, no show" variety, or three consecutive days. They know this, so they bring up sick baby, sick mother, on Thursday night. When the regular weekend people call off, I have to pool the resources of the weekday workers, with very limited results.

Yeah, they want their hours, but not if it will inconvenience them.

Hmmm, it sounds a lot like where I work. Maybe you could try one of the things we ended up doing because of all the people calling in "sick" on the weekends. We have an On-call technician. They carry a pager that is turned on during certain set time periods on Saturday and Sundays. They get paid a couple of bucks per day for carrying it unless they are called in in which case they get time & a half.

The key to making this work best was to start off with everyone equally in the on-call rotation. If you called in sick you would then be added to the rotation more often plus you would have to cover the next on-call stint of the person who had to come to work in your place. This has worked pretty well except for a few people with "chronic illnesses" (one dumbass bitch doesn't like to take her migraine meds because she feels goofy. She'd rather be out of action for weeks, months at a time. ).

Tsyroc wrote:I know what you mean. Just this week we had a guy call out because his baby was sick. You would think his wife could handle it but she was at the hospital with one of their other kids. They are one of those families that has five kids. The most recent kid, the baby, is absolutely because they don't believe in using birth control because of religion. 40+ years old and having your 5th kid just because it happened.

Resposible adults....

Where I work people complain about working weekends and evenings too but the real complaints come through when they have to rotate through on graveyards (which is what I always work). I swear I've never heard more pissing and moaning from healthy adults and all because they have to work 3-4 days of graveyard shift a year. Try doing it 5 days a week all year!

I've been there!

It's easy for me to get on a rant about people missing work because other than for two funerals I've not missed any work or school since 1986. I don't get sick that often anymore and when I do it takes a lot for me to stay home. A lot of the people I work with are wusses in that respect. Luckilly, except for that one guy, the people on my shift are like me when it comes to showing up for work.

Unfortunately, I'm the "boss" so I have to worry about more than just getting my ass to work.

Do you have a lot of single people with kids working for you, or people where both parents (have to) work?

A bit of both. Its funny that the responsible people with kids find time to go to the doctor and such around their working hours, call in a day before if they get sick, find someone to watch their kid if they get sick.

Darth Wong wrote:I suppose what I have to say won't be that popular around here, then ...

I don't work nights. I don't work weekends. I occasionally book time off for family activities. Why? Because I have enough skills to tell the company that these are the terms under which I will be employed, and if they don't like it, I can always get a job elsewhere.

If there's one thing I've learned about the workplace, it's that any attempt to "impress the boss" by working long hours and letting the company run your personal life will only impress him in the short term. In the long term, it makes him believe that he can count on this from you, and you will find that management will expect it. Always make it very clear on the first day what you will and will not do for the company.

It sounds like you're primarilly planning ahead of time for the time off for your family while the rest is just the way your job works. I'm sure that you don't like it any more than the rest of us when someone bales suddenly when you're approaching a deadline?

The second part is pretty good advice. In my current job going that extra step deffinately doesn't do any good. Hell, I swear that my "managers/supervisors" are running things (when they do actually run them) in the gradeless self-esteem style that schools are using to screw people's kids up with. Whe we actually get evaluated they are obsessed with coming up with something to ding us on because "no one is perfect and everyone can improve on something." I may have room to improve but that doesn't mean I'm not still better than most of the tards working with me. Nope can't do that.

What you said also reminded me of what one of our European board members said about "Working to live, not living to work". I agree with this and try to make myself live by it (it helps because I don't like my job) but I know how much I hate it when I get shafted by people at work so I try to follow the Golden rule and not do it to them either.

Darth Wong wrote:I suppose what I have to say won't be that popular around here, then ...

I don't work nights. I don't work weekends. I occasionally book time off for family activities. Why? Because I have enough skills to tell the company that these are the terms under which I will be employed, and if they don't like it, I can always get a job elsewhere.

Yes, but in your situation, you're not impacting on another's job. This is already factored in to the work week. I'd LOVE to have a week's warning before somebody wants a day off!

Where I work, you're expected to be flexible. The jerkoffs I work WITH don't have the pull you do, so they screw everyone with their excuses.

If there's one thing I've learned about the workplace, it's that any attempt to "impress the boss" by working long hours and letting the company run your personal life will only impress him in the short term. In the long term, it makes him believe that he can count on this from you, and you will find that management will expect it. Always make it very clear on the first day what you will and will not do for the company.

While true, I can't respect those who will promise to be there only to cop out at the last minute and leave me holding the bag.

Lord Poe wrote:While true, I can't respect those who will promise to be there only to cop out at the last minute and leave me holding the bag.

Fair enough; I always give plenty of advance warning before taking time off for some kind of family activity, and I don't make bullshit excuses.

I have one bitch at work who is trying to get fired so she can get unemployment benefits. Instead, we just cut her hours back to two a week! Haha!

Lord Poe wrote:
Unfortunately, I'm the "boss" so I have to worry about more than just getting my ass to work.

Believe me it is no fun to have a boss who doesn't really care if sick-calls are fully covered. Our day shift is over staffed almost specifically so the tech supervisor can shuffle people around to easily cover any sick-calls. She does some work to fill holes in 2nd shift but until we got a very vocal pharmacist she'd let a 3rd shift sick-call go uncovered as long as the pharmacist wasn't entirely alone. It's sort of a trade off though. There's almost alwasy coverage now but the pharmacist responsible for ensuring it is slower than shit so all in it's a bit of a trade off.

Kintaro wrote:I have one bitch at work who is trying to get fired so she can get unemployment benefits. Instead, we just cut her hours back to two a week! Haha!

They used to get rid of lamers that way when I worked at Taco Bell. I always thought that was great. Unfortunately where I currently work people are signed on with a certain number of hours more or less garunteed. Doesn't mean they couldn't be given a shift they hate over and over.

I don't like it when anyone uses stupid and obviously false excusses to get out of work, weather they use family, religeon, or "medical" emergencies.

However on the flip side, my job does not run my life. If I need time off, I have no problem in taking time off. I do give them advanced warning but they always seem to come up with as many excusses as to why I should come to work as those who try to sluff work do. If I am sick, I stay home. If they do not pay me for it, then it is none of their bussiness how I am sick and what my doc said.

It cuts both ways. If you work at the kind of company where the managers come to you on a Friday afternoon and ask if you can work all weekend because "something came up", then they'd goddamned well better deal with it when you call up one day and say you have to take the next two days off because "something came up".

It sounds like you are working in a retail or some other environment where coverage is really important. Yes, it sucks to have people bail, but honestly thats part of doing business when you work in a job where 1 person not showing up fucks everything up. Im really glad those days are behind me for the most part.

I tend to agree with Darth Wong. Even in a professional white collar environment you do not want to give and give, because they come to expect it. Pretty soon, it is normal for them to call you at dinner hours to find out why browsing the web is slow. Not a good place to be.

Man, I remember back when I was in college working as a supervisor for the computer lab assistants. Always pissed me off when we got a no-show or some joker called in two hours earlier saying they couldn't make it. It was always a hassle reshuffling the grunts to cover all the labs And these were hours THEY chose!

But given the fact that they were all college students, their lab hours were extremely flexible.