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Is the North going for broke?

Posted: 2003-02-20 02:35pm
by Knife
What the hell is the North doing? A couple of weeks ago, I thought they were saber rattleing because they were (the goverment) collapsing. Now, can they be trying to start a war to save their own little fiefdom?


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79060,00.html
Thursday, February 20, 2003

SEOUL, South Korea — A North Korean fighter jet briefly crossed the western sea border with South Korea on Thursday, and a South anti-aircraft missile unit went into battle position, a South Korean military official said.
The North Korean jet retreated without incident after two South Korea fighter jets went to the area, said Major Lee Dong-chan, a spokesman for the South Korean air force.

The incident came three days after North Korea threatened to abandon the armistice keeping the peace between the two Koreas if the United States went ahead with sanctions or other actions against the communist country.

The North does not recognize the so-called Northern Limit Line maritime border that was drawn up by the U.S.-led U.N. Command at the end of the 1950-53 Korean War, and the border has been a site of tensions in the past.

A North Korean MiG-19 jet fighter crossed the border at 10:03 a.m. and headed back into communist territory two minutes later. This was the first incursion by North Korean military jet since 1983.

"We will strongly protest this provocation," Lee said.

A South Korea anti-aircraft missile unit based near Incheon, a seaport west of Seoul, went into battle position. At the same time, two South Korean F-5E jets went to the scene to try to intercept the North Korean intruder, Lee said.

Later, four more South Korean F-5E jets were deployed to the area.

In June last year, warships of the two Koreas clashed near the western sea border. One South Korean warship sank, killing six sailors and wounding 18 others. North Korea admitted that it also suffered casualties but did not say how many.

In 1999, a series of North Korean incursions across the western sea border touched off the first naval clash between the sides since the war. One North Korean boat sank, and about 30 communist sailors were believed to have died. Several South Koreans were injured.

The two Koreas, divided in 1945, share the world's most heavily armed border. About 37,000 U.S. troops are stationed in South Korea, in a legacy of the 1950-53 Korean War.

Tensions have been high on the Korean Peninsula since the United States said in October that the North admitted having a secret nuclear weapons program. Pyongyang has since pulled out of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

Posted: 2003-02-20 02:38pm
by jegs2
I don't think so; the DPRK has been saber-rattling for years (I'm reminded of the mini-sub incident a few years ago). They're just trying to scare more money out of South Korea.

Posted: 2003-02-20 02:51pm
by Knife
I don't know. They know that the US is ramping up for war in the ME, so this escalation is timely and well thought out. Right now, I would still categorize it as saber rattleing but I think they are pushing for a whoops as a pretense to war. If things stay the same in North Korea, I think the current regime will collapse and I think they all know it. So would they start a war to save it?

Posted: 2003-02-20 02:56pm
by TrailerParkJawa
Knife wrote:I don't know. They know that the US is ramping up for war in the ME, so this escalation is timely and well thought out. Right now, I would still categorize it as saber rattleing but I think they are pushing for a whoops as a pretense to war. If things stay the same in North Korea, I think the current regime will collapse and I think they all know it. So would they start a war to save it?
I dont think a war could save the regime, but perhaps they are so isolated and caught up in themselves, they believe it could. Testing the airspace of South Korea at this time is not smart.

Posted: 2003-02-20 03:09pm
by Col. Crackpot
They actually have gone so far as threatening to withdraw from the 1953 armistice...in effect returning to a state of war. Crazy bastards are writing checks their bodies can't cash.

Posted: 2003-02-20 03:45pm
by jegs2
Knife wrote:I don't know. They know that the US is ramping up for war in the ME, so this escalation is timely and well thought out. Right now, I would still categorize it as saber rattleing but I think they are pushing for a whoops as a pretense to war. If things stay the same in North Korea, I think the current regime will collapse and I think they all know it. So would they start a war to save it?
Unlikely for just the reason you mentioned -- they're all about saving the regime. An attack on South Korea will have one outcome -- A US led attack to reunify Korea. Trust me on this -- I've seen the plan. The N. Korean dictator may be a tyrant, but he's not stupid. An attack on S. Korea ends his reign, and he knows it. They're simply trying to scare more money from South Korea and the West.

Posted: 2003-02-20 03:49pm
by EmperorMing
jegs2 wrote:I don't think so; the DPRK has been saber-rattling for years (I'm reminded of the mini-sub incident a few years ago). They're just trying to scare more money out of South Korea.
I was in country when that sub incident happened. Wild stuff like this over there...