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ACLU analysis of the so-called 'Patriot II' act

Posted: 2003-02-21 01:39am
by Vympel

Re: ACLU analysis of the so-called 'Patriot II' act

Posted: 2003-02-21 02:32am
by Stuart Mackey
I read this and I cannot help but hear the Imperial March.

Posted: 2003-02-21 02:52am
by Enforcer Talen
if this goes through, Im moving to europe, and starting my conquer world plan from there.

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:46am
by Peregrin Toker
That's nothing compared to their plans for global mind control.

Posted: 2003-02-21 03:24pm
by Enforcer Talen
right, time for the moon colony.

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:19pm
by Stuart Mackey
Simon H.Johansen wrote:That's nothing compared to their plans for global mind control.
*Wraps tinfoil around head*
I knew it! the GPS system is part of the US plans for global dominance But I am on to them! I will make this public! I will take this to the world, they will prise my keyboard from my cold, dead, sticky hands!

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:42pm
by Nathan F
Really though, while, I do not agree with alot of the PATRIOT acts, the ACLU isn't exactly a wonderful source of analysis on a controversial subject. They haven't been above twisting facts to their own means. I suggest you find a secondary source before you start making decision based solely on this.

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:47pm
by Stuart Mackey
NF_Utvol wrote:Really though, while, I do not agree with alot of the PATRIOT acts, the ACLU isn't exactly a wonderful source of analysis on a controversial subject. They haven't been above twisting facts to their own means. I suggest you find a secondary source before you start making decision based solely on this.
So I can take the tinfoil of my head then?

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:55pm
by Kamakazie Sith
Has the ACLU always been like this? Everytime I read something from their site it always reminds me of those extreme conspiracy theorist websites like ......

www.whatreallyhappened.com <---- This websites existence pisses me off.

Anyway, it just seems as though the ACLU is the only recognized and accepted conspiracy theorist website........ :x

Posted: 2003-02-21 07:57pm
by Nathan F
The ACLU is on the same league as PETA, far as I know. More power than a group of their IQ really deserves.

Posted: 2003-02-21 08:00pm
by Kamakazie Sith
NF_Utvol wrote:The ACLU is on the same league as PETA, far as I know. More power than a group of their IQ really deserves.
No shit......I honestly can't even read crap like that all the way though.

I got to the second description of the Patriot Act II, and just couldn't deal with it anymore.

Posted: 2003-02-21 08:09pm
by fgalkin
Stripping even native-born Americans of all of the rights of United States citizenship if they provide support to unpopular organizations labeled as terrorist by our government, even if they support only the lawful activities of such organizations, allowing them to be indefinitely imprisoned in their own country as undocumented aliens. (Section 501)
Creating 15 new death penalties, including a new death penalty for “terrorism” under a definition which could cover acts of protest such as those used by Operation Rescue or protesters at Vieques Island, Puerto Rico, if death results. (Section 411)
Further criminalizing association – without any intent to commit specific terrorism crimes – by broadening the crime of providing material support to terrorism, even if support is not given to any organization listed as a terrorist organization by the government. (Section 402)
Permitting arrests and extraditions of Americans to any foreign country – including those whose governments do not respect the rule of law or human rights – in the absence of a Senate-approved treaty and without allowing an American judge to consider the extraditing country’s legal system or human rights record
Why not just bring the HUAC back, then?

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-02-21 08:11pm
by Nathan F
Again, I repeat myself, take this with a grain of salt. Read my posting above.

Posted: 2003-02-21 08:15pm
by fgalkin
NF_Utvol wrote:The ACLU is on the same league as PETA, far as I know. More power than a group of their IQ really deserves.
When you will have proof that ACLU is linked to domestic terrosrism, then I will agree with you that it is in the same league as PETA.

While their views are a bit leftist on some matters, I actually agree with them on some.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-02-21 08:55pm
by Hamel
The ACLU kicks serious ass.