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See, entertainers make more money because the better they are at drawing the crowds, the more money they make. The more money they make, the more people have to see the movie to make up for the studio's investment, which causes them to market the unholy fuck out of the movie, which causes more people to come to the movie etc. etc. etc. That's basic, but it gets more complicated. Bit of a vicious cycle.Kaazaa. Get it or die.Superman wrote:What the hell are you talking about?
Just answering your question and putting a lil extra lagniappe on it. New Orleans custom...Superman wrote:What the hell are you talking about?
You nailed it on the head Mr. Packer. LOLAlferd Packer wrote:Being a thief = fighting Hollywood, apparently.
, but yes, I see your point. 
If your only marketable skill is kicking a bit of dead pig around a field you'll be rich....if you can help society better itself you'll need to get a second job to pay the bills.....Darth Wong wrote:It's part of anti-intellectualism. Why doesn't Stephen Hawking draw the same kind of crowds as, say, Bruce Willis? Because we live in a society which actually prefers the dumb jock or entertainer over the genius.
That makes me think of the Sliders episode where the geniuses are worshiped.Darth Wong wrote:It's part of anti-intellectualism. Why doesn't Stephen Hawking draw the same kind of crowds as, say, Bruce Willis? Because we live in a society which actually prefers the dumb jock or entertainer over the genius.
Right, none of the other people involved in the entire enterprise contribute anything, right? You can make a movie without cinematographers, script writers, cameramen, etc?RedImperator wrote:Now wait a minute here. Actors and atheletes make obscene amounts of money, but so do professional sports franchises and movie studios, and it's the actors and athletes who make it possible for team owners and studio heads to get rich.
The laws of supply and demand supposedly explain all of this, but I would be very curious to know what would change if the sports players weren't unionized. They routinely do things like "renegotiate contracts in mid-term" after a good season, etc. And this doesn't change the fact that for our society, this worship of morons is a bad thing.Now, if you're paying Adam Sandler $20 million to appear in some piece of shit like Little Nicky, then yeah, he's been overpaid, but only from a strictly economic standpoint. The same goes for how baseball salaries have gone so high nobody but the Yankees and the God damned shit sucking mall zombie Atlanta Braves can afford good players. But if Jeff Lurie is making a billion dollars running the Eagles, why SHOULDN'T Donovan McNabb get a $100 million dollar contract? Jeff Lurie would still be a third-rate Hollywood producer without the players, while the players would still be playing without Jeff Lurie.
When did I say that? Script writers with proven track records get paid over $1 million per script, with no gurantee that script will ever be produced. A freelance television writer can get paid $20,000 for one 30 minute sitcom script (first time). Directors get paid millions as well if they're not financing the project themselves, and if they do finance it, they get a cut of the profits as the producer. Actor, director, writer. You can make a movie with a camcorder, three desk lamps, and two VCRs, but without those three, you don't have a film (or theatrical play, which is what you'd have if you took away the camera entirely). Cinematographers, editors, sound engineers, FX guys, boom operators, cameramen, composers, and all the rest are important, but not fundamental to the movie. And while we're on the subject, every last member of the crew is paid union wages, probably better than most of the people on this board, so it's not like they're being screwed. There's no such thing as the working poor in Hollywood.Darth Wong wrote:Right, none of the other people involved in the entire enterprise contribute anything, right? You can make a movie without cinematographers, script writers, cameramen, etc?
It depends on the union. The baseball player's union has gotten so powerful it's running the entire sport into the ground, but the other major unions are considerably less powerful. NFL players can be cut at any time by their team, irregardless of the state of the contract, and NFL contracts are routinely inflated with huge bonuses that the players never recieve because they're cut before they're eligible to collect. And the fact of the matter is, the money from the TV contracts and gate reciepts is going to go somewhere (baseball, again, is the exception because salaries have gotten so out of line with economics that clubs have to trade good players to avoid bankrupcy), and I'd rather see the players get it than the owners. I don't give up three hours of my week every week for five months to see Jeff Lurie on television.The laws of supply and demand supposedly explain all of this, but I would be very curious to know what would change if the sports players weren't unionized. They routinely do things like "renegotiate contracts in mid-term" after a good season, etc.
I never commented on this issue. I was just trying to shoot down the "the players/actors/musicians are paid too much!" nonsense before it really got going. It would be nice if Stephen Hawking drew a bigger crowd than Britney Spears, but more people went to watch the chariot races than to hear public readings of Virgil, too.And this doesn't change the fact that for our society, this worship of morons is a bad thing.
What fucking bullshit is that?!? Cinematogrpahers, editors, sound engineers, boom ops, cameramen and so on ARE essential to the movie! Right, role of cinematographer - (working with the director) decides camera angles and lighting of the picture. The editor- MONUMENTAL part of the film making process. You watch any single movie, it has been edited. Shots clipped together to keep the pace of the movie going is all the work of the editor. Sound engineers - imagine The Matrix without the sound of bullets in the bullet-time roof sequence. Imagine any sounds, explosions, doors shutting and so on, all work of the sound engineers. Boom ops get the sound of voices on set, and then, in collaberation with sound engineers, wrok in a studio to get the voice clarity almost perfect. So stop talking out your ass, please!RedImperator wrote:Cinematographers, editors, sound engineers, FX guys, boom operators, cameramen, composers, and all the rest are important, but not fundamental to the movie. And while we're on the subject, every last member of the crew is paid union wages, probably better than most of the people on this board, so it's not like they're being screwed. There's no such thing as the working poor in Hollywood.
For the girls i think the majority would want to be fucked by these celebrities the attraction to the rich and famous.TrailerParkJawa wrote:Ive never understood the people, especially girls, that scream like crazy when they see a celebrity.
Me neither. Maybe it's similar to why they scream at spiders and snakes evenTrailerParkJawa wrote:Ive never understood the people, especially girls, that scream like crazy when they see a celebrity.
