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Saddam is a legal target.

Posted: 2003-02-26 11:10am
by Knife
The subject of assasination has come up a couple of times. Really, Saddam is a legal target because of his military status. Anyway, here is a good article on the subject. If we kill him durring a war, then it is not assasination.

For all of those Fox haters out there, notice the Associated Press contributed to the article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79622,00.html

WASHINGTON — Saddam Hussein and his inner circle would be legitimate targets for U.S. forces in a war on Iraq, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Tuesday.
"If we go to war in Iraq, and hostilities result, command and control and top generals, people who are in charge of fighting the war to kill the United States' troops, cannot assume they will be safe," Fleischer said. "If you go to war, command and control are legitimate targets under international law."

Asked whether that could mean Saddam, Fleischer replied, "Of course."

A 1976 ban on assassinating foreign leaders was put into place by President Ford in response to criticism of CIA-backed plots in the 1960s and 1970s. President Reagan extended the executive order in 1981 to include hired assassins.

President Bush could overturn the ban by signing a document, but Fleischer declined to say whether he is considering doing so.

Saddam is also being threatened with trial as a war criminal if the United States goes to war with Iraq.

If the Iraqi president and his generals "take innocent life, if they destroy infrastructure, they will be held accountable as war criminals," Bush said Tuesday.

Bush plans a speech on Iraq late Wednesday at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative Washington think tank from which he drew many of his aides.

He is expected to argue that Saddam is a menace to the Iraqi people and getting rid of him would make the Middle East more stable.

Offering Congress and the American public a peek into war and postwar preparations, the Army's top general said Tuesday that a military occupying force could total several hundred thousand soldiers.

Iraq is "a piece of geography that's fairly significant," Gen. Eric K. Shinseki said at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Any postwar occupying force, he said, would have to be big enough to maintain safety in a country with "ethnic tensions that could lead to other problems."

Shinseki said he couldn't give specific numbers of the size of an occupation force but would rely on the recommendations of commanders in the region.

"How about a range?" asked Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the senior Democrat on the committee.

"I would say that what's been mobilized to this point, something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers," the general said. "Assistance from friends and allies would be helpful."

Afterward, Levin called Shinseki's estimate "very sobering."

In a speech prepared for Wednesday delivery to the Council on Foreign Relations, Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., is calling on the Bush administration to work with the United Nations to name an international administrator to oversee reconstruction of Iraq.

A U.S. civilian administrator "would put America in the position of an occupying power, not a liberator," says Lieberman, who is running for the Democratic nomination for president in 2004. "And it may well widen the gulf between the United States and the Arab world."

In northern Iraq, which was pried from Saddam's control to protect Kurdish civilians after the 1991 Persian Gulf war, White House and State Department officials were holding a meeting with political opponents of Saddam's government.

Zalmay Khalilzad, of the National Security Council staff, and David Pearce, who is in charge of the Iraq desk at the State Department, were helping to plan the kind of government that would take over in Baghdad after an ouster of Saddam.

The anti-Saddam Iraqis are a diverse group, with sometimes conflicting interests. Kurdish leaders, for example, are uneasy with U.S. plans to station troops in northern Iraq in the event of war.

To Iraq's north, Turkey fears that Iraqi Kurds would try to create their own state if Saddam was overthrown, encouraging secession by Turkey's own Kurdish minority.

State Department spokesman Philip Reeker said the Bush administration supports the territorial integrity of Iraq — meaning it was opposed to the country's breakup — and multiethnic rule in Baghdad.

Bush, meanwhile, predicted Saddam would try to "fool the world one more time," by disclosing some weapons that he had previously denied having. But the president insisted the only way the Iraqi leader could avoid war was "full disarmament. The man has been told to disarm. For the sake of peace, he must completely disarm."

On Wednesday, continuing his talks with world leaders, Bush was due to meet with President Geidar Aliev of Azerbaijan, which is 250 miles northeast of Iraq and has backed the U.S. call for Iraq's disarmament.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Posted: 2003-02-26 12:28pm
by TrailerParkJawa
I think once a war starts the leadership are legitamite targets wether they run around in uniforms or not. Fortunetly, many dictators like to wear a general's uniform so that makes them even easier to justify as a target.

I do agree that during peace time it is a bad idea for us to assasinate foriegn leaders. Its an invitation for retaliation.

Posted: 2003-02-26 12:32pm
by Kuja
Daisy cutter, sniper's bullet, it really doesn't make that much difference to me.

Posted: 2003-02-26 01:38pm
by Cap'n Hector
Just so long as Bush can be a target too...

Posted: 2003-02-26 01:51pm
by Knife
Cap'n Hector wrote:Just so long as Bush can be a target too...

Just make sure you get half a dozen or so UN resolutions first.

Posted: 2003-02-26 04:44pm
by HemlockGrey
This rabid anti-Bushism begins to annoy me. I don't like the man either but he'll be out in less than 8 years, so killing him really isn't necessary.

It reminds me of my friend, who is certain that Bush only wants war in order to trash the economy...

Posted: 2003-02-26 04:48pm
by phongn
Cap'n Hector wrote:Just so long as Bush can be a target too...
While he is CINC of the US military, he does not hold a rank within it.

Posted: 2003-02-26 09:27pm
by weemadando
phongn wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:Just so long as Bush can be a target too...
While he is CINC of the US military, he does not hold a rank within it.
Just like Saddam, who enjoys kicking around in a uniform, but doesn't hold a post other than CINC.

Posted: 2003-02-26 11:05pm
by phongn
weemadando wrote:
phongn wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:Just so long as Bush can be a target too...
While he is CINC of the US military, he does not hold a rank within it.
Just like Saddam, who enjoys kicking around in a uniform, but doesn't hold a post other than CINC.
Are you sure? IIRC, I've heard Sea Skimmer mention that he actually has some sort of rank militarily and not just politically.

Posted: 2003-02-26 11:09pm
by Sea Skimmer
Saddam holds the rank of field marshal and is commander in chief commander in chief of his countrys military. The uniform is not just for show.

Posted: 2003-02-27 12:13am
by weemadando
Sea Skimmer wrote:Saddam holds the rank of field marshal and is commander in chief commander in chief of his countrys military. The uniform is not just for show.
Looking at his military experience thats highly debateable.

Posted: 2003-02-27 12:16am
by Sea Skimmer
weemadando wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Saddam holds the rank of field marshal and is commander in chief commander in chief of his countrys military. The uniform is not just for show.
Looking at his military experience thats highly debateable.
Competency to hold a rank, and the rank held are not always linked

Posted: 2003-02-27 12:28am
by weemadando
Sea Skimmer wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Saddam holds the rank of field marshal and is commander in chief commander in chief of his countrys military. The uniform is not just for show.
Looking at his military experience thats highly debateable.
Competency to hold a rank, and the rank held are not always linked
As has been proven soooo many times before.

Posted: 2003-02-27 12:59am
by Beowulf
weemadando wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
weemadando wrote: Looking at his military experience thats highly debateable.
Competency to hold a rank, and the rank held are not always linked
As has been proven soooo many times before.
Plus, he most likely just gave himself the rank...

Posted: 2003-02-27 06:23pm
by weemadando
Beowulf wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote: Competency to hold a rank, and the rank held are not always linked
As has been proven soooo many times before.
Plus, he most likely just gave himself the rank...
Saddam has never served in the Iraqi or any other army.

Though he did shoot at an ex-president with an AK during his days as a student dissident.

Posted: 2003-02-27 06:34pm
by HemlockGrey
Just because he hasn't served in the trenches doesn't mean he's not technically a ranking officer.