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http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?biblebar.jpg

The pic says it all

::Laughs uproariously, and is promptly eaten by bears::

Darik Sdair wrote:::Laughs uproariously, and is promptly eaten by bears::

*looks at Darik Sdair being consumed by bears and laughes, then is suddenly ushered out of the encampment and stoned*

*looks at Sdair and Gil being mauled and stoned, chuckles, hugs boyfriend and the entire encampment I am in is vaporised*

*looks at Sdair and Gil being mauled and stoned, chuckles, hugs boyfriend and the entire encampment I am in is vaporised*

*Notices double vapourisation of camp*

Woah! Déjá vú.

*Notices double vapourisation of camp*

Woah! Déjá vú.

Watchs all this then dedicdes to nuke the camp to be sure.

Sees the crater that was the campsite and orders his fleet of SDs to BDZ the planet.

And to think, I though the only good use for the Bible was to fuel fires and wipe your ass.

*with the power of the Force, takes over Death Star, and obliterates the planet, just to be safe*

*Hops into sucrusher and destroys solar system.*

Actually, that sounds really good! I think I'll make one now.

What's the next??? A brand of pasta called "Holy Maccaroni"???

heh

In a couple decades, will you get one of those at communion instead of those wafers?

Anyway, thy do have potato chips in the Middle East dedicated to Arafat.

This has to be something from the USA. Only they are actually strange enough to produce something like that.

And to think, I though the only good use for the Bible was to fuel fires and wipe your ass.

No, that is the only use YOU see for it. The fact that you are a minority in the world on this topic is saying it all.

And I hope you were joking.

Meghel

Meghel wrote:This has to be something from the USA. Only they are actually strange enough to produce something like that.

Christian capitalism.

And to think, I though the only good use for the Bible was to fuel fires and wipe your ass.

No, that is the only use YOU see for it. The fact that you are a minority in the world on this topic is saying it all.

One can be a minority and still be correct. Besides, most of the world's population is not Christian. Even the most optimistic figures number about 1 billion Christians, and let's be realistic; they're including people in that figure for whom church is a long-forgotten place. The population of the world is 6 billion people. Do the math.

And I hope you were joking.
Meghel

He might not have been. From a scientific standpoint, all of the Bible is worthless shit. Even from an ethical standpoint, huge portions of the Bible (the entire Old Testament and portions of the New Testament) are still worthless shit. I say that without any trace of sarcasm or humour. We atheists normally refrain from saying that so bluntly, but it can be irksome when Christians use this silence to continue promoting their belief that the Bible has some intrinsic value or sacred status beyond that which they choose to assign to it out of their own faith.

Ok, that is IT. *** RIPS OFF GLOVES ***

Darth Wong wrote:

Meghel wrote:This has to be something from the USA. Only they are actually strange enough to produce something like that.

Christian capitalism.

GENERALIZATION; you will never see anything like this in The Netherlands, oh mr. Wong. And the Netherlands is a Christian Capitalist country.

Well, perhaps The Netherlands is a Christian Socialist country, but we are still Christian Capitalists.

And to think, I though the only good use for the Bible was to fuel fires and wipe your ass.

No, that is the only use YOU see for it. The fact that you are a minority in the world on this topic is saying it all.

One can be a minority and still be correct. Besides, most of the world's population is not Christian. Even the most optimistic figures number about 1 billion Christians, and let's be realistic; they're including people in that figure for whom church is a long-forgotten place. The population of the world is 6 billion people. Do the math.

Wrong Wong.

I point to the fact that he is part of the minority that sees the only good use of the bible is to fuel fires and wipe his ass.

You can't argue that the group that feels like that is a minority... even if that minority includes you.

I am not saying that Atheists are a minority. I am just saying that those who feel like him are a minority.

And I hope you were joking.
Meghel

He might not have been. From a scientific standpoint, all of the Bible is worthless shit. Even from an ethical standpoint, huge portions of the Bible (the entire Old Testament and portions of the New Testament) are still worthless shit. I say that without any trace of sarcasm or humour. We atheists normally refrain from saying that so bluntly, but it can be irksome when Christians use this silence to continue promoting their belief that the Bible has some intrinsic value or sacred status beyond that which they choose to assign to it out of their own faith.

Ah, Mr Wong is back on his Anti-Christian Crusade.

Ok, Mr. Wong. Lets get some things straight.

A) I Like your website. It was your Starwars VS Startrek Website which drew me here onto the first place. I like starwars and I like your site. Nothing else.
B) I sympathize with your bad experiences regarding religion, as you have detailed on your personal homepage. I won't go into specifics, but I do find that those gutless bastards treated you extremely bad.
C) You are probably a smarter person then me on the scientific department. Although that is not hard, since I did more on the social studies.
D) I am completely fed up with your anti-Christian rants and raves. I can understand that as a Scientific person that you dislike religion. But the fact that you strike almost solely at Chistians is getting f*cking irritating.

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From a scientific standpoint, all of the Bible is worthless shit.

From a scientific standpoint, most things written down is shit. Hell, from a scientific standpoint, most things that do not are SCIENCE is WORTHLESS SHIT!!

Does that make those things worthless shit as well?? Does this makes Fantasy Books worthless shit? Does that make MOVIES worthless shit?

Does it make a BOOK OF LAW worthless shit??

From a SOCIAL STANDPOINT, most science is WORTHLESS SHIT, if i have to follow your reasoning.

Even from an ethical standpoint, huge portions of the Bible (the entire Old Testament and portions of the New Testament) are still worthless shit.

So you are saying that the Ten Commandments, the rules for most laws today, are a piece fo shit from an ETHICAL point of view?


To get this straight;
Most Ethical portions of the Old Testament and New Testament are OUTDATED and can no longer be used in this time. I AGREE with you on this COMPLETELY.


BUT I suggest that you get real, mr Wong. From an ETHICAL STANDPOINT, huge portions of the OLD TESTAMENT are NOT worthless shit.

Have you ever Read the Books of the Old Testament from an Historical and an Ethical Point of view to see that THAT WAS THE REALITY at that time.

Did it EVER occur to you that ETHNIC CLEANING was the used ETHIC of that time, that marrying your aunt WAS SOCIAL NORMAL and that it was a HUGE IMPROVEMENT not to sacrifice your children!

At the time the Old Testament was written, however outdated that Ethic might be, the ethics it uses are the ETHICS OF THAT TIME.

You might wish to seriously think this over, Mr. Wong; Most of the Bible might not be Ethical useful now, but it was Ethical useful in the past and gives a good view of the Ethics of that time.


What do you want? A completely Rewritten Bible, being updated through the times?

Why don't you Edit the "Origin of Species" at the same time.


The Bible is NOT ONLY a book of Ethics, it is also a history book, a book of faith, a book of the ages.

but it can be irksome when Christians use this silence to continue promoting their belief that the Bible has some intrinsic value

Question: To what Silence are you referring. I do not understand.

Let me continue on what I said before.

1) The Bible is the book that is the foundation of Two of the World Religions, namely Islam and Christianity.
2) The Bible is one of the oldest and the most printed book in the history of the world.
3) The Bible, through both foreamentioned points, has had a huge impact on humanity and its history.
4) The Bible, through its laws and guidelines, has had a huge impact on humanity.


And YOU are saying that the Bible has no Intrinsic Value?

Name a Book which had more of an Impact on Humanity then the Bible!


If YOU and USAF ACE really think that the Bible should be best used to light fires and wipe your ass, I suggest that the two of you get back in touch with reality.
A group who thought likewise (burning Worthless Books), used to live in Nazi Germany.



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Ok, Mr. Wong. I am done ranting and raving myself.

My apologies if you feel insulted in some way that I did not intend on.


Your Anti-Christian ravings are getting really Irritating. I know you don't give a shit about what other people think of you.

But whereas there are some RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALLISTS, blind to anthing that they do not percieve as belief, You come very close to being a SCIENTIFIC FUNDAMENTALIST, with the same bad habits.


With regards,

Meghel

Just to clarify things, I would be equaly inclined to fuel fires and wipe my ass with the Koran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, and Dianetics.

USAF Ace wrote:Just to clarify things, I would be equaly inclined to fuel fires and wipe my ass with the Koran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, and Dianetics.

That is no a migitating circumstance.

I do not feel inclined to fuel fires or wipe my ass with any book! Ok, *perhaps* with Mein Kampf.

I do not acept your stance at all, but you already know this. No book is low enough to be used as toilet paper of fuel source!


What would YOU say if I said that all books on science and evolution should be used as a fuel source or toilet paper?

Think about it and understand why I am angry!

Meghel

Meghel wrote:I do not feel inclined to fuel fires or wipe my ass with any book! Ok, *perhaps* with Mein Kampf.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll add that book to my list right away.

I do not feel inclined to fuel fires or wipe my ass with any book! Ok, *perhaps* with Mein Kampf.

Those "Mind-Power" books are good for those uses 2....

Meghel wrote:Ok, that is IT. *** RIPS OFF GLOVES ***

Make sure you know what you're getting into before you get cocky, Meghel.

Darth Wong wrote:Christian capitalism.

GENERALIZATION; you will never see anything like this in The Netherlands, oh mr. Wong. And the Netherlands is a Christian Capitalist country.

Strawman. I never said that all Christian capitalists make Bible-bars. However, the Bible-bar is a uniquely Christian capitalist product. Name one other group besides Christian capitalists who would market such a thing.

I point to the fact that he is part of the minority that sees the only good use of the bible is to fuel fires and wipe his ass.

Which is how most of the world views the Bible! How do you think anyone but a Christian views the Bible? It is neither good science, history, philosophy, or entertainment. It is not an entertaining book, nor is it even well-written. It is painfully repetitive and often self-contradictory. In short, it is not a good read, unless you have some faith-based reason to think otherwise.

A) I Like your website. It was your Starwars VS Startrek Website which drew me here onto the first place. I like starwars and I like your site. Nothing else.

That was pretty clear from earlier posts on your part.

B) I sympathize with your bad experiences regarding religion, as you have detailed on your personal homepage. I won't go into specifics, but I do find that those gutless bastards treated you extremely bad.
C) You are probably a smarter person then me on the scientific department. Although that is not hard, since I did more on the social studies.
D) I am completely fed up with your anti-Christian rants and raves. I can understand that as a Scientific person that you dislike religion. But the fact that you strike almost solely at Chistians is getting f*cking irritating.

Too bad. I'm identifying real problems, and if the best criticism you can come up with is "I don't like it", don't expect me to lose any sleep over it. As for the fact that I focus on Christianity rather than other religions, it happens to be the source of many problems in my particular neck of the woods. If I lived in a Muslim-dominated nation, I would be ranting about Islam instead. So what?

Darth Wong wrote:From a scientific standpoint, all of the Bible is worthless shit.

From a scientific standpoint, most things written down is shit. Hell, from a scientific standpoint, most things that do not are SCIENCE is WORTHLESS SHIT!! Does that make those things worthless shit as well?? Does this makes Fantasy Books worthless shit? Does that make MOVIES worthless shit? Does it make a BOOK OF LAW worthless shit??

If any of those books happen to make statements which are scientifically absurd (as the Bible does, early and often), then yes.

From a SOCIAL STANDPOINT, most science is WORTHLESS SHIT, if i have to follow your reasoning.

Wrong. Name one legitimate science book which makes abhorrent social statements.

Darth Wong wrote:Even from an ethical standpoint, huge portions of the Bible (the entire Old Testament and portions of the New Testament) are still worthless shit.

So you are saying that the Ten Commandments, the rules for most laws today, are a piece fo shit from an ETHICAL point of view?

Yes. The Ten Commandments are worthless shit. They have been the source of incalculable misery and suffering over the last two thousand years. Any system of morality which places "thou shalt not kill" down at number six, after worshipping God, no idolatry, not taking God's name in vain, observing the Sabbath, and obeying your parents is garbage. The Ten Commandments enshrine religious intolerance into morality, by explicitly defining any and all belief systems other than Judeo-Christianity-Islam as "evil" by virtue of not putting God first, observing the Sabbath, etc.

The Ten Commandments are still cited today by people who wish to classify non-Christian religions as inherently "evil". Out of the Ten Commandments, no less than four are devoted to the goal of perpetuating religious intolerance.

To get this straight;
Most Ethical portions of the Old Testament and New Testament are OUTDATED and can no longer be used in this time. I AGREE with you on this COMPLETELY.

BUT I suggest that you get real, mr Wong. From an ETHICAL STANDPOINT, huge portions of the OLD TESTAMENT are NOT worthless shit.

Wrong. See http://www.stardestroyer.net/Creationis ... lence.html for examples of the worthless shit ethics that are promoted in the Old Testament.

Have you ever Read the Books of the Old Testament from an Historical and an Ethical Point of view to see that THAT WAS THE REALITY at that time.

Have you ever read Mein Kampf from an historical and ethical point of view to see that Hitler's views were quite common and accepted in Vienna and Germany, as well as much of Europe at the time? Don't give me this moral relativist bullshit. Evil is evil.

Did it EVER occur to you that ETHNIC CLEANING was the used ETHIC of that time, that marrying your aunt WAS SOCIAL NORMAL and that it was a HUGE IMPROVEMENT not to sacrifice your children!

Ethnic cleansing is evil, regardless of whether it was commonly practiced at the time (which it was not; the ancient Romans were racially inclusive). Incest has never been normal. And if it was a huge improvement to avoid sacrificing your children, then why did Abraham receive God's blessing for his willingness to do just that?

At the time the Old Testament was written, however outdated that Ethic might be, the ethics it uses are the ETHICS OF THAT TIME.

Wrong again. Even in their era, the ancient Jews were exceptionally violent and intolerant. The Romans actually had to wall them off from others because they continually attacked other religious sects.

You might wish to seriously think this over, Mr. Wong; Most of the Bible might not be Ethical useful now, but it was Ethical useful in the past and gives a good view of the Ethics of that time.

Wrong. The Old Testament has never been ethically useful. Any ethically valid items (such as the prohibition on murder) are universal to all religions anyway, and its only special items (making worship of other gods and failure to observe particular religious practices "evil" instead of just "different") are responsible for countless atrocities.

What do you want? A completely Rewritten Bible, being updated through the times?

Yes. The difference between dogma and intelligent thought is that dogma never changes. The Bible would definitely benefit from an update and re-write.

Why don't you Edit the "Origin of Species" at the same time.

Actually, the theory of evolution has been, and will continue to be subject to alteration as new evidence comes to light (Darwin's rates of evolution, for example, are known to be underestimated from experiment).

The Bible is NOT ONLY a book of Ethics, it is also a history book, a book of faith, a book of the ages.

Blah blah blah faith-masturbatory yadda yadda yadda. The Bible promotes shitty ethics. The Bible is a lousy history book, with hopelessly distorted and inaccurate versions of historical events. The Bible is a book of faith, but it is only a "book of the ages" in the sense that people keep hanging onto it for no good reason. You admit yourself that its values are hopelessly outdated; that is hardly what I would call a "book of the ages".

Let me continue on what I said before.

1) The Bible is the book that is the foundation of Two of the World Religions, namely Islam and Christianity.
2) The Bible is one of the oldest and the most printed book in the history of the world.
3) The Bible, through both foreamentioned points, has had a huge impact on humanity and its history.
4) The Bible, through its laws and guidelines, has had a huge impact on humanity.

And YOU are saying that the Bible has no Intrinsic Value? Name a Book which had more of an Impact on Humanity then the Bible!

Yes. Absolutely. The Bible has no intrinsic value. Appeals to popularity are logical fallacies, Meghel. Look it up. You are basically saying that the Bible has intrinsic value because lots of people have done lots of things in its name. You seem to think that this somehow contradicts my claim that it has no intrinsic value beyond what its believers choose to invest in it out of faith. Do you know what the word "intrinsic" means?

If YOU and USAF ACE really think that the Bible should be best used to light fires and wipe your ass, I suggest that the two of you get back in touch with reality.

Oh, we're quite in touch with reality. We know how to distinguish it from faith. You, on the other hand, confuse popularity with intrinsic value, which shows that your grasp of reality is tenuous at best.

A group who thought likewise (burning Worthless Books), used to live in Nazi Germany.

Ad hominem attacks and guilt through association? Well well, the logical fallacies are just pouring out of you now, aren't they? I never said we should forcibly seize books from peoples' homes and burn them; I only said that the Bible has no intrinsic value. Your shameless attempt to attack me by painting me as a Nazi sympathizer only indicates your irrationality.

Ok, Mr. Wong. I am done ranting and raving myself.

My apologies if you feel insulted in some way that I did not intend on.

Kiss my ass, Meghel. You tried to compare me to Nazis and then you turn around and pretend that you didn't "intend" any insult? I prefer an honest straight-up insult to the sort of weaselly chickenshit that you just tried to pull there. I would have had more respect for you if you didn't pretend that you had no intention of insulting me.

Your Anti-Christian ravings are getting really Irritating. I know you don't give a shit about what other people think of you.

But whereas there are some RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALLISTS, blind to anthing that they do not percieve as belief, You come very close to being a SCIENTIFIC FUNDAMENTALIST, with the same bad habits.

Wrong. I have no blind faith in anything, and the fact that I don't moderate my position to appease you is not proof of irrationality or a scientific equivalent of wacko Christian fundamentalism. Do you know what the "Golden Mean" fallacy is? I suggest you look it up, along with the other fallacies with which you have shamed yourself in this exchange.

Mr Wong.

I did not feel cocky, I was just bloody furious on the words that USAF Ace spoke on a certain Item of Religious significance.

Then you came along, posted, and I exploded.

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I will carefully read your post and follow your criticisms.

I thank your for providing me with a lot of food for thougt; it is so hard to find conversation partners of your type on this item.

Kiss my ass, Meghel. You tried to compare me to Nazis and then you turn around and pretend that you didn't "intend" any insult? I prefer an honest straight-up insult to the sort of weaselly chickenshit that you just tried to pull there. I would have had more respect for you if you didn't pretend that you had no intention of insulting me.

Ok, I apologize completely and honestly for this, Mr. Wong. I got extremely pissed and angry and wrote things I should not have.

I will not kiss your ass, but I honestly apologize for this. I hope you accept my apology.

I also admit that I am a piece of chickenshit for posting like that.

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Meghel

So you are saying that the Ten Commandments, the rules for most laws today, are a piece fo shit from an ETHICAL point of view?

Only the commandments dealing with theivery, murder, and lying/cheating are really useful. These are pretty much default laws that have existed in all civilizations even before the bible was written. The rest are stupid religious bullshit.

On a side note the Laws of Hammurabi are much more useful as a rule for present day laws. And since they were made before the commandments they are the basis for out laws. The 10cmds are just ripping them off.