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Legal question and possible recourse.

Posted: 2003-03-01 03:31pm
by Cap'n Hector
As I've said, I run a porn server, and as a result of this I run across snuff on occassion, much to my disgust.

Anyway, someone uploaded what appears to be a genuine snuff film to my server (I'm not willing to watch it all the way through to check), and I've got the person's _current_ IP address. The file was called "real_snuff.mpg". Needless to say, it is no longer on the server.

Does anyone know who I can contact to report this person, or what I should do about the film?

This is a serious question. I will not post a link to the movie on this board. If someone wishes to determine the realism of the film, contact me and we'll talk.

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:26pm
by HemlockGrey
And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:27pm
by RedImperator
I'm not sure exactly who to talk to, but you'd probably do best calling number one, your lawyer, and number two, the local police, who could direct you to the proper authorities. More importantly, there'd be a record of you contacting law enforcement about it sooner rather than later. Don't count on your good intentions to cover your ass down the road.

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:27pm
by haas mark
HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?
Necrophilia with freshly dead bodies using violence and basically fucking any and every hole (including inflicted ones) on the dead body.

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:28pm
by RedImperator
HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?
It's porn where someone is killed. If it's genuine, it's worse than kiddie porn as far as the law is concerned.

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:42pm
by HemlockGrey
Ah, makes sense.

Posted: 2003-03-01 04:46pm
by Alyeska
Contact a lawyer, contact the local police and ask for further instructions. If you do that you ought to be safe and the person responsible for it might be caught.

Posted: 2003-03-01 05:15pm
by Cap'n Hector
verilon wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:And snuff is what, again? Really violent porn?
Necrophilia with freshly dead bodies using violence and basically fucking any and every hole (including inflicted ones) on the dead body.
I tend to include movies/images of killings posted in a sexual context, as this movie was.

Necrophilia doesn't need to involve killing someone.

Thanks for your responses, folks. I hate getting this stuff...

Posted: 2003-03-01 05:53pm
by Cap'n Hector
OK, the upload came from Germany/Holland. I'm called the FBI about it, they referred me to www.ifccfbi.gov...

Now to find this guy's location and who his cops are...

Correction: One trace says Holland/Germany, one says San Diego and can't parse farther.

Posted: 2003-03-01 08:15pm
by Rubberanvil
Quick and simple answer to what necrophilia is would something like;
Necrophilia is obtaining sexual arousal and gratification by having sexual contact with dead bodies.
Copied from http://www.bigeye.com/sexeducation/necrophilia.html

Posted: 2003-03-01 08:23pm
by Anarchist Bunny
Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.

Posted: 2003-03-01 08:47pm
by Cap'n Hector
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP? :twisted:

Posted: 2003-03-01 08:54pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP? :twisted:
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!

Posted: 2003-03-01 09:15pm
by Cap'n Hector
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP? :twisted:
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!
OK, first, the disclaimer:

This might not be the right IP, I can't say 100%. 95%, yes.

The IP, as logged, was xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx under the username of "xenophile".

When I ping that IP, I get the URL "xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". When I go to this URL, it gives me an Apache config page. Finding a 404 gives this URL and e-mail: http://XXXXXXX.serveftp.com/xeno/ and XXXX@XXXXXXX.serveftp.com.

Also, I don't see the movie in question in the public files. I do see a bunch of underage p0rn, however...

On second though, I'm not gonna post the info. Please delete the info from your post...

Posted: 2003-03-01 09:29pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Cap'n Hector wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote: There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP? :twisted:
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!
OK, first, the disclaimer:

This might not be the right IP, I can't say 100%. 95%, yes.

The IP, as logged, was EDITED OUT AT REQUEST under the username of "xenophile".

When I ping that IP, I get the URL "ipEDITED OUT AT REQUEST.hu.sd.cox.net". When I go to this URL, it gives me an Apache config page. Finding a 404 gives this URL and e-mail: http://xenophile.serveftp.com/xeno/ and xeno@xenophile.serveftp.com.

Also, I don't see the movie in question in the public files. I do see a bunch of underage p0rn, however...

And if the mods want this removed, I'll remove it.
REPORT HIM AS A FUCKING PEDOPHILE!!!
You can also report him to abuse@COX.net (I think), and it looks like he's in the San Diego area by the rDNS adress.

EDIT: Yup, I was right! http://support.cox.net/custsup/abuse/abuse.shtml

Posted: 2003-03-01 09:41pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...

Posted: 2003-03-01 09:57pm
by Cap'n Hector
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...
Sounds good, but ask 'em to leave some evidence. I'm calling Cox and asking them to report him to the cops. I think we can get him arrested. If not, we can still find his computer....

Posted: 2003-03-01 10:06pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Cap'n Hector wrote:
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:BTW I'm a COX customer with some technical knowledge about how their system works, so I know for sure it's a nice fat Static-IP target. I think your San Diego target's the real bogey.

Update: I'm on IRC.Wyldryde.net #Spyware and #Wyld and I just recruited the local Net.G0dz there. Expect some Anti-Spyware H4x0rz inbound...
Sounds good, but ask 'em to leave some evidence. I'm calling Cox and asking them to report him to the cops. I think we can get him arrested. If not, we can still find his computer....

Also, please delete the address info from your post...let's get his ass in the slammer!
Address Info?

EDIT: I see you have IRC capability...

Posted: 2003-03-01 11:29pm
by Hyperion
PM me the relevant data, I hate pedophiles with a passion. Once I have the data I'll give it to some good friends with very high level computer "service" skills, and I too will do something if needed. (i.e. if he's not arrested, there WILL be a smoking crater where his comp was.)

Posted: 2003-03-02 01:58am
by SyntaxVorlon
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Cap'n Hector wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Thats horrible. If only the dead could rise and get their revenge.
There's a reason I'm trying to get this guy arrested or something...anyone want his IP? :twisted:
Sure
Is it a dynamic (dialup) or static (broadband)? I can name-drop his IP into IRC for you... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

PM me if the Mods don't want it posted. Lata and Happy Fragging!
Hack the PLANET!!
I hope this guy seriously gets the ping of death followed by a federal warrent.

Posted: 2003-03-02 02:36am
by Captain tycho
Fucking pedophiles.... :x
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.

Posted: 2003-03-02 02:43am
by Cap'n Hector
Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles.... :x
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.
I'm going to on Monday, unless someone knows a number for the correct branch of the FBI. The one I have is a Monday-Friday one to a non-profit, as the URL I gave above shows....

I just hope Cox leaves his account up long enough to get him...

Posted: 2003-03-02 02:45am
by Howedar

Posted: 2003-03-02 03:16am
by Rubberanvil
Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles.... :x
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.
Imho I find pedophilia much worse than Necrophilia.

Posted: 2003-03-02 03:20am
by Captain tycho
Rubberanvil wrote:
Captain tycho wrote:Fucking pedophiles.... :x
What drives these people to do this sort of twisted shit?
Necrophilia is the worst....
I wouldn't look at the stuff if you paid me....
*vomits in disgust*

Oh, yeah, REPORT THE BASTARD.
Imho I find pedophilia much worse than Necrophilia.
In my book, they're all equally bad.
One time I stumbled across a necrophiliac pic on the net.... :shock: :shock: :shock:
God, I wanted to barf after seeing that....