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I can't believe this actually happened to me.

A girl refused to actually go out with me because I'm an atheist. Unfucking believeable.

I'm actually more shocked/amused than pissed/sad.

Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I can't believe this actually happened to me.

A girl refused to actually go out with me because I'm an atheist. Unfucking believeable.

I'm actually more shocked/amused than pissed/sad.

Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

I usually don't tell people I'm an atheist unless they ask. Still looked down upon we are, sadly.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

Yes, yes it is.

Well Stravo seemed to get by with a girl who didn't buy into his beliefs, so not everyones quite as ignorant as that one.

Tough luck man, better luck next time.

That sucks. If someone is that bigoted, probably not an ideal woman anyway.

a while back, i prolly would have done something like that.

but I eventually decided nonchristians are more fun.

I wouldn't want to go out with someone who holds such stupid beliefs. Personally I've never encountered any discrimination. I don't advertise that I'm an atheist. But then religion never comes up anyway for me in real life.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

How did she know you were atheist? I generally try to make people confused in what I believe by being vague and give deffinitions of things that has nothing to do with something. I'm atheist but very few people (including some of my closest friends) knows that.

Enlightenment wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

Don't bait him.

I still haven't told my family that I'm atheist. My dad wouldn't care (he cares about religion about as little as I do), but my mom, who is not very tolerant of beliefs that differ from hers (although she pretends otherwise), would be not at all pleased.

Enlightenment wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

Hell, I'll agree with you.

I can't fucking stand this place sometimes. So many idiots.

Durran Korr wrote:I still haven't told my family that I'm atheist. My dad wouldn't care (he cares about religion about as little as I do), but my mom, who is not very tolerant of beliefs that differ from hers (although she pretends otherwise), would be not at all pleased.

Same here, though at school I sort of bash religion everywhere I go. Stupid isn't it? Great, I'm just as intolerant as the fundies are. Need to stop that.

Pu-239 wrote:Same here, though at school I sort of bash religion everywhere I go. Stupid isn't it? Great, I'm just as intolerant as the fundies are. Need to stop that.

Why is it intolerant to criticize religion? It is intolerant to try to curtail the rights and freedoms of others (see Sunday closing laws, Texas state constitutional bar against atheists in public office, people who refuse to associate with you if you don't share their religion, or even their particular variant upon a religion, eg- JW), but when criticism is regarded as intolerance, the mantra of tolerance has gone too fucking far.

If your criticisms are reasoned and you can back them up with facts and logic, it is not intolerance. It's not the same thing as running around the school muttering that all Christians lack any concept of morality at every opportunity, although that's basically what Christians do to atheists every Sunday (I have yet to meet a preacher who does not connect morality directly to faith in his particular version of God).

Taking off in a slightly differant direction, what do you guys think of a 'sin tax' and the laws about liquor stores and such being closed on Sundays?

I think the former is a justifiable tax, as long as it's simply a government tax and not a religiously motivated one, and I think the second is a poor idea as it both panders to religion and hurts small stores and restraunts.

HemlockGrey wrote:Taking off in a slightly differant direction, what do you guys think of a 'sin tax' and the laws about liquor stores and such being closed on Sundays?

If a "sin tax" is justified because said activities are demonstrably harmful to society, then I suppose it's OK. But they can't justify their assessment of harm by simply quoting the Bible; they need to present a rational case. As for Sunday closing laws, they're absolute bullshit. I know a lot of people who work 6 days a week and their only fucking shopping day is Sunday.

I think the former is a justifiable tax, as long as it's simply a government tax and not a religiously motivated one, and I think the second is a poor idea as it both panders to religion and hurts small stores and restraunts.

I'll go with that.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I can't believe this actually happened to me.

A girl refused to actually go out with me because I'm an atheist. Unfucking believeable.

I'm actually more shocked/amused than pissed/sad.

Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

She was likely living in obedience to that which she believes. What follows is the Biblical passage concerning what you experienced:


2 Cor 6:14-15
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
(NIV)

I think the former is a justifiable tax, as long as it's simply a government tax and not a religiously motivated one, and I think the second is a poor idea as it both panders to religion and hurts small stores and restraunts.

"Oh, yes, the motivation for this tax is strictly secular!" *winkwink*

jegs2 wrote:
...What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
(NIV)

Sweet, sweet lovin'?


Up the butt.

She was likely living in obedience to that which she believes. What follows is the Biblical passage concerning what you experienced:


2 Cor 6:14-15
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common

with an unbeliever?
(NIV)

That is one of worst phrases Paul ever put to paper.

"Oh, yes, the motivation for this tax is strictly secular!" *winkwink*

Exactly; a tax on something that violates Puritanical beliefs is bad; a tax on alchohal and cigs just to raise money is perfectly fine, and I'm rather certain Hamilton just called it a sin tax to appease the religious masses whom it affected.

jegs2 wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:I can't believe this actually happened to me.

A girl refused to actually go out with me because I'm an atheist. Unfucking believeable.

I'm actually more shocked/amused than pissed/sad.

Is it this ignorant and bigoted in America, truly?

She was likely living in obedience to that which she believes. What follows is the Biblical passage concerning what you experienced:


2 Cor 6:14-15
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?
15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?
(NIV)

Ah, freedom of assocation is evil.

jegs2 wrote:She was likely living in obedience to that which she believes.

The fact that she's following her beliefs does not mitigate our assessment of her intolerance.

What follows is the Biblical passage concerning what you experienced:

2 Cor 6:14-15
14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?

So the Bible says we atheists are all full of "wickedness" and "darkness?" How neighbourly.

15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

(NIV)

In the case of myself and Rebecca, we were happily married and had two kids while in that state (until she left the church a few years ago). We had a lot in common.

Well, face it, people are interested in dating people that suit their interests... I've dated non-Jewih gils without any weirdness occurring, but then there was the German girl I was with in Israel who lamented that "I wasn't going to Heaven" because I was Jewish.. odd people...

Eh, she wasn't for you. Hard-core partiers and stay-at-home types also don't mesh, I tend not to date girls that smoke or drink a lot. I think it's just regular old preferences.

So the Bible says we atheists are all full of "wickedness" and "darkness?" How neighbourly.

Not just atheists- Paul is railing against pretty much everyone. Certainly not a saint I'd want to worship.

HemlockGrey wrote:

So the Bible says we atheists are all full of "wickedness" and "darkness?" How neighbourly.

Not just atheists- Paul is railing against pretty much everyone. Certainly not a saint I'd want to worship.

In all fairness, Paul many times spoke only for himself, sometimes identifying such cases. However, in practice I've seen that relationships between believers and non-believers are often rocky (some of you have seen this first-hand), since the believer is constantly attempting to draw the non-believer into his or her relationship with Christ, while the non-believer rightly feels he or she is being unfairly badgered. Perhaps that is one of the reasons Paul said what he did.