Pacifism and the war on terror

Sothis · Post by **Sothis** » 2002-08-20 07:28pm

http://www.geocities.com/sothis5/a_resp ... ifists.htm

Basically, my reply to pacifists who are against the war on terror.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2002-08-20 08:27pm

Non-violence as a guiding principal in life is all well and good, but mindless, knee-jerk pacifism belongs on the same ash heap of history we've dumped Marxism (knee-jerk pacifists are almost always Marxists as well, something I'm sure would confound Marx).

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-08-20 08:36pm

dogbert: I dream of a world where everyone has given up weapons and forsaken violence.
dilbert: why dogbert! that's a wonderful idea!
dogbert: -thinking- if that were true, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with a butterknife.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-08-20 09:41pm

Can't we all just get along?

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-08-20 10:13pm

Hmm I'm in two minds about Iraq on the one hand Saddamn needs to be dealt with, on the other... I'm not entirely convinced that the whole push for War is justified. I want a full debate before we begin, and it seems this may not be happening, recently in the Sunday papers, (or it may have been on Saturday) I read about a succesful ground operation in Iraw undertaken by American and British forces.

This is a huge area of concern for me, is my Blair trying to push us into a position where we really have no choice but to accept the War, because we are already at War with Saddam? In the end I may decide that War is really the only solution left regarding Saddam, but I want the chance to hear all the arguments before we are actually at War with Iraq, and not to wake up one day to find out that we are at War, and our assets are in place.

I want to know what is likely to be the response from the other Middle East countries to a war, will they support Saddam, and if so Why? Basically I don't want to find out that we are in a tactically stupid position sneaked upon us by the Government in it's need to show America and Bush what good friends we can be.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-08-21 01:00am

Enforcer Talen wrote:dogbert: I dream of a world where everyone has given up weapons and forsaken .
dilbert: why dogbert! that's a wonderful idea!
dogbert: -thinking- if that were true, I could conquer the whole stupid planet with a butterknife.

That reminds me of a quote I think some guy said.

"In a world of pacifism, there are no pacifists".

Rathark · Post by **Rathark** » 2002-08-21 05:55am

Skelron wrote:Hmm I'm in two minds about Iraq on the one hand Saddamn needs to be dealt with, on the other... I'm not entirely convinced that the whole push for War is justified. I want a full debate before we begin, and it seems this may not be happening, recently in the Sunday papers, (or it may have been on Saturday) I read about a succesful ground operation in Iraw undertaken by American and British forces.

This is a huge area of concern for me, is my Blair trying to push us into a position where we really have no choice but to accept the War, because we are already at War with Saddam? In the end I may decide that War is really the only solution left regarding Saddam, but I want the chance to hear all the arguments before we are actually at War with Iraq, and not to wake up one day to find out that we are at War, and our assets are in place.

I want to know what is likely to be the response from the other Middle East countries to a war, will they support Saddam, and if so Why? Basically I don't want to find out that we are in a tactically stupid position sneaked upon us by the Government in it's need to show America and Bush what good friends we can be.

Because Australia often ends up in the same position as the UK when America goes to war, I agree with everything you say here.

I used to think of myself as a borderline pacifist. Then you-know-what happened ...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2002-08-21 06:13am

heh, I've always liked guns and war stories. . . but I'd like more reason for attacking iraq then we've seen.