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The Duchess of Zeon wrote:http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/news ... eid=106694

And the british send them right back

These poor bastards are as good as dead once they
went back into Iraq

The story was denied, and I'm not inclined to believe it.

Sea Skimmer wrote:The story was denied, and I'm not inclined to believe it.

Pity. It was a bad source, but I'd have found it amusing if so - It would have been so British to send the guys back.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:The story was denied, and I'm not inclined to believe it.

Pity. It was a bad source, but I'd have found it amusing if so - It would have been so British to send the guys back.

Says so in the article.

Last night the Ministry of Defence officially denied the incident had taken place, but the story was corroborated by an intelligence source.

I might believe it if they where caught by the border guards. But the MoD has no reason to lie about this, and it sounds and reads like a rumor.

It would fit in with the Iraqi army's recent history, though.

BTW, I once heard a story about a group of Iraqi soldiers surrendering to a Kuwaiti wedding party in the desert. Any idea if that's true?

I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

The Republican Guard will fight the hardest; see the last stand of the Tawakalna- if you swap their equipment out with more modern stuff in that battle- well it wouldn't have been easy. As for the other units, impossible to tell. There's also the factor that they're defending their own country this time round.

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:The story was denied, and I'm not inclined to believe it.

Pity. It was a bad source, but I'd have found it amusing if so - It would have been so British to send the guys back.

Says so in the article.

Last night the Ministry of Defence officially denied the incident had taken place, but the story was corroborated by an intelligence source.

I might believe it if they where caught by the border guards. But the MoD has no reason to lie about this, and it sounds and reads like a rumor.

It is the Mirror. One expects that it ought be taken with a grain of salt.

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

Hey, why not? If you don't surrender, you're going to die anyway. This way, your captors are going to be extra-nice because you just helped them out.

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

LMAO!

That is even funnier than the troops seeing the A-10 and jumping out of their tanks before the first round is even fired.

Or the single flight of F-15s seeing 25 Iraqi contacts on their radar, all heading to the Iranian border.

Unfortunately the British goverment is more likely to give such people a house, a car, and 250 a week in benefits.

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

Dont forget also that in Desert Storm, the Iraqi troops had been suffering a massive air bombardment, which would fray your nerves quite a bit.

Are you sure it was Iraqi soldiers that surrendered, and not the French?

NF_Utvol wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

LMAO!

That is even funnier than the troops seeing the A-10 and jumping out of their tanks before the first round is even fired.

Or the single flight of F-15s seeing 25 Iraqi contacts on their radar, all heading to the Iranian border.

Reminds me of one F-15/MiG encounter. The MiG wingman fired first, shooting down his leader as the F-15's closed in for Winder shots. The wingman then proceeded to fly into the ground...

Wicked Pilot wrote:Are you sure it was Iraqi soldiers that surrendered, and not the French?

Actually the French crushed the Iraqi opposite in there area of operations and easily accomplished their objectives. There only death was one man who disturbed a dud CBU from an air strike.

Ted wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:I doubt it, the border is fairly secure. In Desert Storm some units fought hard, but then others surrendered to news crews and UAV's. In one case a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

Dont forget also that in Desert Storm, the Iraqi troops had been suffering a massive air bombardment, which would fray your nerves quite a bit.

As did the Germans in WW2, and the North Vietnamese in Vietnam...

A trained army shouldn't be so metally affected by simple bombardment that a tank and BMP surrender to a stuck HMMWV.

They just knew that if they didn't surrender then, they would most likely be killed by the same troops later.

It's rumored that several Republican Guardsmen surrendered to one drone helicopter during the Gulf War. Is that true?

I do remember hearing that some soldiers tried to surrender to a Pioneer RPV from one of the Iowas. Same story?

Yes, it is true.

Wicked Pilot wrote:Are you sure it was Iraqi soldiers that surrendered, and not the French?

In the news today, a single Iraqi soldier crossed the border, prompting an immediate and unconditional surrender by the nation of France.

Sea Skimmer wrote:... In Desert Storm ... a tank and BMP surrender to a single US solider whose Hummve was stuck in the mud with no other American forces in sight. The tank pulled the Hummve out first.

And did they give the GI some new BVDs afterwards?

Sea Skimmer wrote:Reminds me of one F-15/MiG encounter. The MiG wingman fired first, shooting down his leader as the F-15's closed in for Winder shots. The wingman then proceeded to fly into the ground...

Remember, what is the difference between US pilots and Iraqi pilots?

US pilots break ground and fly into the wind...

Iraqi pilots break wind and fly into the ground...

jegs2 wrote:

Wicked Pilot wrote:Are you sure it was Iraqi soldiers that surrendered, and not the French?

In the news today, a single Iraqi soldier crossed the border, prompting an immediate and unconditional surrender by the nation of France.

Damn, he actually had to cross the border? France's been getting braver...