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Interesting article for your perusal and ruminations:

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Ok, so what was a friend doing riding with her in the first place? Right there was the first thing wrong.

I bet they wouldn't have fired her if she had seen something happen and helped.

It's happened before and he didn't get fired. He ran into a burning house to save some kids.

Oh and you might want to dress the link.

Speaking as a former Manager for Pizza Hut, I would have fired her to. She had a passenger in her vehicle, and was off task during work hours, not to mention placing herself in a potentially dangerous/litigious situation while on the clock for her company. She'd be fired that same night.

Nice thing she did...but what was the friend riding with her?

Raoul Duke, Jr. wrote:Interesting article for your perusal and ruminations:

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If Frank is smart, he’ll re employee McAulay over a press conference.

Ghost Rider wrote:Nice thing she did...but what was the friend riding with her?

For company. It must get pretty boring delivering pizzas.

Sokar wrote:Speaking as a former Manager for Pizza Hut, I would have fired her to. She had a passenger in her vehicle, and was off task during work hours, not to mention placing herself in a potentially dangerous/litigious situation while on the clock for her company. She'd be fired that same night.

So you want to discourage people from doing their civic duty? Urbanites are apathetic enough already without being encouraged to be more so.

Perinquus wrote:

Sokar wrote:Speaking as a former Manager for Pizza Hut, I would have fired her to. She had a passenger in her vehicle, and was off task during work hours, not to mention placing herself in a potentially dangerous/litigious situation while on the clock for her company. She'd be fired that same night.

So you want to discourage people from doing their civic duty? Urbanites are apathetic enough already without being encouraged to be more so.

When they are on my time clock, civic duty goes right out the window, be a good samaritan on your time not company time. She should have contacted authorities and then returned to the store. If the police want to talk to her, they can come on down to the shop. Secondly, no delivery driver should have had a passenger who is not a fellow employee or management in her vehicle while operating during work hours. Drivers are covered by company insurance, and by having a non-employee passenger opend the company to mountains of potential litigation. In the modern era 'sue for everything' you can't be a large company and be a good samaritain at the same time, it almost invariably comes back to bite you on the ass.

Sokar wrote:

Perinquus wrote:

Sokar wrote:Speaking as a former Manager for Pizza Hut, I would have fired her to. She had a passenger in her vehicle, and was off task during work hours, not to mention placing herself in a potentially dangerous/litigious situation while on the clock for her company. She'd be fired that same night.

So you want to discourage people from doing their civic duty? Urbanites are apathetic enough already without being encouraged to be more so.

When they are on my time clock, civic duty goes right out the window, be a good samaritan on your time not company time. She should have contacted authorities and then returned to the store. If the police want to talk to her, they can come on down to the shop. Secondly, no delivery driver should have had a passenger who is not a fellow employee or management in her vehicle while operating during work hours. Drivers are covered by company insurance, and by having a non-employee passenger opend the company to mountains of potential litigation. In the modern era 'sue for everything' you can't be a large company and be a good samaritain at the same time, it almost invariably comes back to bite you on the ass.

The passenger issue I can agree with. As for the liability issues, most states have good samaritan laws, so if you try to help someone, and they die anyway, you are not liable. This protection would extend to the company, and if it doesn't, write your legislature and get the law changed. The manager was an asshole. If I were in that area, I'd be organizing a boycott of his business.

Perinquus wrote: The passenger issue I can agree with. As for the liability issues, most states have good samaritan laws, so if you try to help someone, and they die anyway, you are not liable. This protection would extend to the company, and if it doesn't, write your legislature and get the law changed. The manager was an asshole. If I were in that area, I'd be organizing a boycott of his business.

The manager was doing his duty, the employee violated company policy, in a major way. She opened the store to potential litigation from an individual(Which even if they lose, costs the company, and that store THOUSANDS of dollars) and she deserved to be terminated. My worry as a manager would not be if the person dies, but if they live and decide, or are persuaded, that they should seek some type of damages aginst my company , due to the actions of one of MY employees.

We had this beaten into our heads at both Pizza Hut and Wal-Mart(where Im now employed) that we are, as represenatives of the company to defer all advice and suggestions to higher management authority, and to DO NOTHING!! If its isnt in the company handbook , or a member of management does not approve it, don't do it. This includes any and all acts such as attempting to stop a fight or help a hurt customer , or non-customer for that matter. When they are on their own time , they can do what they like, but NOT ON THE CLOCK or while in uniform.

TheStar.com wrote:Boyd said he didn't fire McAulay for helping the gunshot victim. "She was away from her job for no good reason." The owners of Frank's Pizza could not be reached for comment yesterday.

interesting. saving someone´s life is "not a good reason".
the manager is a fucking asshole.

salm wrote: interesting. saving someone´s life is "not a good reason".
the manager is a fucking asshole.

#1 - she was on a delivery
#2 - she had someone else in the car
#3 - she lost him a sale
#4 - she lost him probably quite a bit of revenue concidering she was probably the only driver working.

I'm with Sokar here.

Sokar wrote: The manager was doing his duty, the employee violated company policy, in a major way. She opened the store to potential litigation from an individual(Which even if they lose, costs the company, and that store THOUSANDS of dollars) and she deserved to be terminated. My worry as a manager would not be if the person dies, but if they live and decide, or are persuaded, that they should seek some type of damages aginst my company , due to the actions of one of MY employees.

So you're contending that it's preferable from your point of view to let a human being possibly die from lack of aid, than to take the mere risk that your company might lose a few thousand dollars? Sure you don't want to rethink your position?

Sokar wrote: We had this beaten into our heads at both Pizza Hut and Wal-Mart(where Im now employed) that we are, as represenatives of the company to defer all advice and suggestions to higher management authority, and to DO NOTHING!! If its isnt in the company handbook , or a member of management does not approve it, don't do it. This includes any and all acts such as attempting to stop a fight or help a hurt customer , or non-customer for that matter. When they are on their own time , they can do what they like, but NOT ON THE CLOCK or while in uniform.

So they should only save another person's life when it won't inconvenience the company?

Did it ever occur to you that this particular policy might be wrong? Even immoral? Human life trumps all other concerns as far as I'm concerned.

(Click heels together, and snap to attention.) "But I vas just following ordahs". Hmm... where might we have heard that defense before?

Sorry dude, you're priorities are fucked up as Hogan's goat.

Kelly Antilles wrote:

salm wrote: interesting. saving someone´s life is "not a good reason".
the manager is a fucking asshole.

#1 - she was on a delivery
#2 - she had someone else in the car
#3 - she lost him a sale
#4 - she lost him probably quite a bit of revenue concidering she was probably the only driver working.

I'm with Sokar here.

She lost him a sale?!? She lost him a sale?!?!

YOU GOTTA BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!

That is a reasonable justification for witholding lifesaving assistance? So you can make sure a fucking pizza parlor gets a few more lousy dollars? Better that extra ten bucks in the till than a human life saved?

It's a pity we don't have an emoticon for disgust and contempt. That's the emotion a consideration like that instills in me.

I would have fired her because she took someone with her in the first place, but not for afterwards trying to save her life.

Sokar wrote:When they are on their own time , they can do what they like, but NOT ON THE CLOCK or while in uniform.

This is about a HUMAN LIFE for fuck's sake! Even if the company went bankrupt because of some employee saving a life during his working time it'd still be the right thing to do.

Having a person in the car is a reason to be fired. Going out of your way to find an accident so that you can help people is a reason to be fired.

However, *if* she did not have a passenger, and if she happened apon the scene, then by Canadian law she is required to "offer assistance" to any injured persons. This situation is of course hypothetical.

Given the details of what happened, I would say she acted correctly for the bad situation she put herself in. However, she still deserves to be fired. Her options were:

(a) Help the person and get fired
(b) Ignore the person and not get fired (if she kept quite about having a friend in the car)

This is a dilemma of her own making. Nobody forced her to have a friend in the car. I'm not sure why people want me to feel sorry for something she did to herself.

Perinquss: You haven't worked a day in the real world, have you?

She never would have KNOWN anything was wrong if she hadn't been breaking rules in the FIRST place. She had an unauthorized person in the vehicle who recieved word on his/her cell phone. Had she been smart, she would have made her delivery, called her boss and told him what was going on and I'm sure he would have been reasonable enough to let her go since it was in her neighborhood.

Fucking stupid. The manger would make more money using the Publicity it could bring, while yelling at the driver in the back room.

To hell with the sale.

If I may add: The title of the news article is misleading: "Slice of mercy costs driver job".

You need to properly label cause and effect. The act of mercy didn't cost her the job. Having a friend in the car and driving around to where the friend wanted to go is what cost her the job. The "slice of mercy" is what brought her indiscretion to the notice of her supervisor.

Kelly Antilles wrote: Perinquss: You haven't worked a day in the real world, have you?

I'm a police officer dumbass. I probably brush up against reality a whole lot fucking harder than you ever do. Idiot.

Kelly Antilles wrote: She never would have KNOWN anything was wrong if she hadn't been breaking rules in the FIRST place. She had an unauthorized person in the vehicle who recieved word on his/her cell phone. Had she been smart, she would have made her delivery, called her boss and told him what was going on and I'm sure he would have been reasonable enough to let her go since it was in her neighborhood.

She deserves to be disciplined for being out of her area and having someone else in the car - and termination may not be necessary to address those issues. For rendering potentially lifesaving assistance, she deserves acclaim.

Perinquus wrote: I'm a police officer dumbass. I probably brush up against reality a whole lot fucking harder than you ever do. Idiot.

And I'm supposed to know this? Does your name or avatar reflect your job?

She deserves to be disciplined for being out of her area and having someone else in the car - and termination may not be necessary to address those issues. For rendering potentially lifesaving assistance, she deserves acclaim.

We don't know the whole story, actually. This may not have been the first time she's had someone else in the car. Then again, most people replying to this thread have been blinded by reading the woman saved a life that they don't see the consequences of her actions overall.

Perinquus wrote: She deserves to be disciplined for being out of her area and having someone else in the car - and termination may not be necessary to address those issues.

She was disciplined: She was fired. That's an issue between her and her employer.

For rendering potentially lifesaving assistance, she deserves acclaim.

Why must that aclaim come from the Pizza place? What does the Pizza place have to do with this shooting? How about the injured person and/or paramedics give her the aclaim for helping? Why don't the people that want to give her aclaim send her money and help her find a new job.

Perinquus: Calm down.