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War, Peace and Education -or the lack thereof...

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:02pm
by Posbi
Article from the Edmonton Sun
By Ted Byfield
Sunday Comment section, pg. 44
March 9, 2003

How did Bruce not learn this in school?

The Canadian educational establishment, which spends zillions every year surveying students en mass, should go in for more individual case studies. It could begin with the case of Edmontonian Bruce McRae.

Bruce, age 24, has a wisp of a chin beard, and is described in media reports as “a former student politician.” He made it into the news last week as one of the peace activists now streaming out of Iraq where they had offered themselves as “human shields” to prevent war.

Interviewed in Amman on his way home to Canada, he conceded that things had not turned out as expected for himself and his fellow “shields”. They had hoped to station themselves in schools and hospitals to deter the Americans from bombing such places.

However, the Iraqi government had a better idea. It ordered them to locate themselves at power plants, oil refineries, food supply depots and other such facilities.

There would be no point staying in schools, said the Iraqis, because the schools would be closed, and the Americans wouldn’t attack hospitals anyway.

Which in itself is instructive, since it means the Iraqi government has higher expectations of the American military than do the peace activists.

In any event, said McRae, he and his colleagues discovered that the Iraqis were constantly interviewing them on television to let them express their views on the United States.

It gradually occurred to them, he said, that they were being “used” for propaganda purposes.

Something else was disturbing. When he saw the western news reporters, equipped with bullet proof vests satellite phones and chemical weapons suits, it alarmed him.

He realized it was dangerous there, that he might get hurt, even killed. Frankly they hadn’t expected anything like this. So he and the others headed out.

Interviews with his fellow activists were similar. “They all shared one trait,” reported the London Telegraph. It was “naiveté”.

This should be of interest to educators. According to news reports, McRae graduated from the University of Alberta with a degree in political science. Meaning, he made it all the way through university without discovering: (a) that a totalitarian regime cannot be dissuaded from a chosen course of action by anything other than superior force or the meaningful threat of wing it, (b) that a regime with a history of deliberate military aggression against its neighbors will repeat such aggression at every possible opportunity, (c) that such regimes manipulate well-meaning, gullible people to their own ends and (d) that yes, people do get killed in wars.

The apparent effect of this man’s education has been to wholly immerse him in a fantasy world where there are no really bad people (apart of course from the Americans), where no war ever needs be fought, where every international controversy can be settled by goodwill and rational negotiation and where things like “human shields” can affect military conduct.

In short it is a world where bad things never need happen, where all people are at the core really nice and where good intentions and above all “tolerance” will solve all problems.

This is not the world that we live in, nor ever have lived in, and it is emphatically not the one that emerges from human history. So how did poor Bruce McRae manage to get through some 16 years of education without discovering this? Why did he have to go all the way to Baghdad to find this out? Sounds like something out of the Arabian Nights.

The other thing our case study might want to learn is whether McRae is indeed what our educators have been seeking to produce all along. Would they regard him as educational triumph, a superb end product of all their efforts?

Are they trying to produce a whole generation of Bruce McRaes? Is secluding people from the patently obvious, producing a kind of bovine gullibility and something close to historical ignorance their ultimate objective?

To which the educator might reply: In a nuclear age, how else will we prevent total human destruction? On that assumption, he sets McRae as his ideal. But what of a divided world? What if educators in some nations are zea1ously producing Bruce McRaes while others are just as zealously producing Saddam Husseins? Bruce’s doom would be certain.

One wonders: Has the modern educator considered this?
Thoughts?

Myself, I think that it's a prime example of excalty whats wrong with the education system today.

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:06pm
by Joe
Cool.

I wonder why the human shields like Bruce here weren't there to protect Kuwait when Iraq invaded twelve years ago.

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:12pm
by Posbi
They didn't know of it beforehand, and the US wasn't involved in it. :?

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:13pm
by theski
Dictators are cool Capitalists are not!! Too many Mooseheads not enough life experience..

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:48pm
by TrailerParkJawa
People like Bruce are the same types to who protest at the global trade summits. They want the world to fit into their view. Did it occur to any of these morons that if we are going to target Hospitals on purpose maybe we dont give a rats ass about a few "human shields" from the west. :roll:

Posted: 2003-03-11 02:52pm
by Posbi
The Pentagon: "Oh, there was a hospital? And some of those human shield guys? Damn, shit, we're really sorry that the daisycutter aimed at the secret service building half a block away obliberated them to..but, ya know the saying, if you're cutting wood there'll be some splints...."

:P

Posted: 2003-03-11 03:00pm
by Enforcer Talen
fuckers. dont they know what human sheild means?

and, what ever happened to dying for an ideal? I hate watered down martyrs.

jawa, I completely agree.

Posted: 2003-03-11 03:58pm
by Knife
Interviewed in Amman on his way home to Canada, he conceded that things had not turned out as expected for himself and his fellow “shields”. They had hoped to station themselves in schools and hospitals to deter the Americans from bombing such places.

However, the Iraqi government had a better idea. It ordered them to locate themselves at power plants, oil refineries, food supply depots and other such facilities.

There would be no point staying in schools, said the Iraqis, because the schools would be closed, and the Americans wouldn’t attack hospitals anyway.

Which in itself is instructive, since it means the Iraqi government has higher expectations of the American military than do the peace activists.
That says it all, folks. :roll:

Posted: 2003-03-11 04:02pm
by neoolong
I don't think that this has much to do with education. The man's just an idiot.

Posted: 2003-03-11 05:53pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
neoolong wrote:I don't think that this has much to do with education. The man's just an idiot.
I agree. No matter how much education he could get, he'd still lack common sense, and still wouldn't care what he was doing was basically treason, going to Iraq as a "human shield".

Re: War, Peace and Education -or the lack thereof...

Posted: 2003-03-11 06:10pm
by Enlightenment
The fact that education is less than stellar has grace to put it mildly. It need not be debated as it is fundamentally self-evident. However, a few very odd points stick out in the aticle:
Article from the Edmonton Sun
However, the Iraqi government had a better idea. It ordered them to locate themselves at power plants, oil refineries, food supply depots and other such facilities.

There would be no point staying in schools, said the Iraqis, because the schools would be closed, and the Americans wouldn’t attack hospitals anyway.
Assuming the reporter isn't playing a Shrub with his words (i.e. being careless or outright lying), it is interesting that the Iraqis realize that the US wouldn't waste ammunition on hospitals but wanted human shields to protect food supply depots. Something the Americans aren't telling us about what they consider to be valid targets, perhaps?
This should be of interest to educators. According to news reports, McRae graduated from the University of Alberta with a degree in political science. Meaning, he made it all the way through university without discovering: (a) that a totalitarian regime cannot be dissuaded from a chosen course of action by anything other than superior force or the meaningful threat of wing it, (b) that a regime with a history of deliberate military aggression against its neighbors will repeat such aggression at every possible opportunity, (c) that such regimes manipulate well-meaning, gullible people to their own ends and (d) that yes, people do get killed in wars.
:roll: The reporter is a moron. He's spewing unsubstantiated opinion as fact The Yellow Press lives on.

Posted: 2003-03-11 06:41pm
by ArmorPierce
Well..., he may be educated but he is stupid.

Posted: 2003-03-11 06:43pm
by Frank Hipper
Enlightenment,
I agree with you on the reporter's points (a) and (b), but you can't really argue with (c) and (d)...