Page 1 of 2

Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 01:49pm
by Bellosh101
...with North Koreans.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/16 ... n-20110316
Reel China: Hollywood tries to stay on China's good side
Without Beijing even uttering a critical word, MGM is changing the villains in its 'Red Dawn' remake from Chinese to North Korean. It's all about maintaining access to the Asian superpower's lucrative box office.
March 16, 2011|By Ben Fritz and John Horn, Los Angeles TimesChina has become such an important market for U.S. entertainment companies that one studio has taken the extraordinary step of digitally altering a film to excise bad guys from the Communist nation lest the leadership in Beijing be offended.

When MGM decided a few years ago to remake "Red Dawn," a 1984 Cold War drama about a bunch of American farm kids repelling a Soviet invasion, the studio needed new villains, since the U.S.S.R. had collapsed in 1991. The producers substituted Chinese aggressors for the Soviets and filmed the movie in Michigan in 2009.

But potential distributors are nervous about becoming associated with the finished film, concerned that doing so would harm their ability to do business with the rising Asian superpower, one of the fastest-growing and potentially most lucrative markets for American movies, not to mention other U.S. products.

As a result, the filmmakers now are digitally erasing Chinese flags and military symbols from "Red Dawn," substituting dialogue and altering the film to depict much of the invading force as being from North Korea, an isolated country where American media companies have no dollars at stake.

The changes illustrate just how much sway China's government has in the global entertainment industry, even without uttering a word of official protest. Although it's unclear if anyone in China has seen "Red Dawn," a leaked version of the script last year resulted in critical editorials in the Global Times, a communist party-controlled paper.

That followed postings of pictures on China's popular Web portals Sina and Tiexue in late 2009 of the "Red Dawn" set showing actors posing as Chinese troops and mock propaganda posters of the U.S. Capitol building smashed by a hammer. The posts received tens of the thousands of views. "When does it come out?" read one Chinese comment. "There is no hope for theatrical screening [censorship], wait for pirated version."

An MGM spokesman said that no one at the studio has had discussions with Chinese government officials about "Red Dawn."

Hollywood has learned the hard way that besmirching China's image on-screen can have long-running implications for the many arms of a modern media conglomerate. In the late 1990s, Walt Disney Studios, Sony Pictures and MGM all faced a temporary halt in their business dealings in the country after releasing the movies "Kundun," "Seven Years in Tibet" and "Red Corner," respectively, which were critical of the communist government.

Today, China is far more important to the Hollywood studios, despite the government's policy of allowing only about 20 non-Chinese films into theaters each year. In 2010, China was the fifth-biggest box office market outside of the United States, with $1.5 billion in revenue.

A number of Hollywood studios are deepening their business ties to the world's most populous nation. Disney is building a theme park outside Shanghai, Sony Pictures co-produced the recent "Karate Kid" remake with the government-affiliated China Film Group, and News Corp.'s Fox International Productions recently made the Chinese-language hit "Hot Summer Days" there. Even independent studios like Lionsgate and Summit Entertainment will release their films "Killers" and "Red" in China in coming months.

Dan Mintz, whose DMG Entertainment is a leading producer and distributor of movies in China, said the "Red Dawn" story dramatizes how Western companies can fundamentally misunderstand how the nation works. If the picture had gone out without redacting the Chinese invaders, he said, "there would have been a real backlash. It's like being invited to a dinner party and insulting the host all night long. There's no way to look good.... The film itself was not a smart move."

Mintz, who met with the producers of "Red Dawn" to offer some suggestions on how they could proceed, said that doing business in China requires a partnership approach. "The more you reach out, the better your relationships will be," Mintz said. "This is bigger than a single film."

The "Red Dawn" remake follows several teenagers in Spokane, Wash., who fight invading Chinese forces allied with Russia in the near future (in the original film, the Soviets partnered with Cubans). The roughly $60-million production stars Chris Hemsworth, who will become much better known to moviegoers this May when he plays the title role in the superhero event picture "Thor."

MGM had been set to release "Red Dawn" in November, but the debt-laden studio filed for bankruptcy the month before and emerged under new leadership at the end of the year. New chief executives Gary Barber and Roger Birnbaum are seeking to sell both "Red Dawn" and the horror film "The Cabin in the Woods," the last two pictures produced under a previous regime, as they try to reshape the 87-year-old company.

China will be an important market for the studio as it goes ahead with plans to produce two movies based on "The Hobbit" and James Bond sequels. The last Bond movie, 2008's "Quantum of Solace," grossed $21 million in China.

In the last few weeks, MGM has begun showing "Red Dawn" to potential buyers at other studios. Several people who have seen the movie but requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak on the record said they couldn't risk distributing it given the potential blowback in China.

The feedback led to MGM's decision to make the highly unusual changes. Although it's common to reshape movies in the editing room, there's no known precedent for changing the nationality of an entire group of characters.

People close to the picture said the changes will cost less than $1 million and involve changing an opening sequence summarizing the story's fictional backdrop, re-editing two scenes and using digital technology to transform many Chinese symbols to Korean. It's impossible to eliminate all references to China, the people said, though the changes will give North Korea a much larger role in the coalition that invades the U.S.

"We were initially very reluctant to make any changes," said Tripp Vinson, one of the movie's producers. "But after careful consideration we constructed a way to make a scarier, smarter and more dangerous 'Red Dawn' that we believe improves the movie."

Representatives for director Dan Bradley did not respond to requests for comment.

If MGM is unable to find a distributor for the movie, it could end up going direct-to-DVD or could even be shelved, never to be seen by the public.

"Red Dawn" is not the only piece of entertainment to swap out Chinese villains for North Koreans recently. The video game "Homefront," which was released this week and features a script by John Milius, writer of the original "Red Dawn," was also originally intended to feature a Chinese invasion. For business reasons, publisher THQ changed the occupying forces to North Korea.

A representative for MGM said it's hopeful the unusual changes will have a simple result: turning "Red Dawn" from a complete write-off into a movie that can find an audience and make money.

"MGM has been working with the film 'Red Dawn's' director and producers to make the most commercially viable version of the film for audiences worldwide," said Mike Vollman, executive vice president of worldwide marketing. "We want to ensure the most people possible are able to experience it."
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48899
Tripp Vinson; Red Dawn Producer wrote:I know there is a lot of interest and questions as to the changes announced regarding Red Dawn.
This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie. The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation. I assure you that everyone involved with the reboot is keenly aware of the responsibility of delivering a movie that can stand eye to eye with the original.
The changes made to Red Dawn in the last few weeks were made in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military.
Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you.
But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way.
WOLVERINES!
And so a movie featuring an implausible invasion of the U.S. just became even more implausible, all in the name of corporate appeasement profits. I just can't wait to see how our Right-Wing responds to this development. :lol:

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 01:58pm
by Patrick Degan
It's a certain bet that the military consultants took one look at the revised nRD scenario and while they were still laughing the filmmakers decided to go ahead with it anyway.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 02:17pm
by Akhlut
"Red Dawn with North Korea is plausible if Kim Jong Il turns out to be a Sith Lord and imports an army from the Kamino clone vats, while also summoning all the war material he needs from Hell. Then, yeah, this is entirely realistic."

Man, I hope no one turns this version of Red Dawn into a drinking game; I fear that horrible alcohol poisoning will result.

Seriously, this is just absurd. There's no need to make a new Red Dawn because there is no threat that is even a quarter as credible as a Soviet invasion (which was itself fairly implausible).

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 02:39pm
by Alferd Packer
Didn't they just release a video game on this topic, too?

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 02:41pm
by HMS Sophia
Yeah, home front.
Except that posits a united korea and an economically ruined USA... so its slightly more plausible (I said slightly)

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 03:37pm
by Anguirus
I fail to see what could possibly be relevant about this movie. I haven't seen the first but it's clearly such a product of its time. American teenagers = mujahadeen. That's pretty cool, if a stretch (and absurdly jingoist).

Now we're supposed to be scared of the North Koreans? Fuck that. Hell, if they had to do this movie it should have been an alt-history period piece.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 04:30pm
by CaptHawkeye
Oh look they're making Homefront into a movie. :lol:

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 07:20pm
by mr friendly guy
Patrick Degan wrote:It's a certain bet that the military consultants took one look at the revised nRD scenario and while they were still laughing the filmmakers decided to go ahead with it anyway.
You mean the original remake plan where China invades wasn't already ridiculous? :D How did so many Chinese troops get on US soil anyway? Walk on water? And even if it was only a small number, how do they expect them to do any serious damage to the US? Maybe they were the equivalent of Karen Traviss clone troopers. Where one can take on a few billion. :D

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 11:50pm
by paladin
Anguirus wrote:... Hell, if they had to do this movie it should have been an alt-history period piece.

I think the original was slightly alt-history. But agreed, a Red Dawn remake would make more sense as a full blow alt-history.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-18 11:57pm
by Srelex
Well, there is this tidbit...
People close to the picture said the changes will cost less than $1 million and involve changing an opening sequence summarizing the story's fictional backdrop, re-editing two scenes and using digital technology to transform many Chinese symbols to Korean. It's impossible to eliminate all references to China, the people said, though the changes will give North Korea a much larger role in the coalition that invades the U.S.
But yeah, it's still yellow peril.2 crap.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 12:38am
by Pelranius
When I first heard about the remake, I rationalized that the Chinese must somehow be trying to collect back some of their outstanding Treasury Bills.

Beats me why they would choose Michigan of all places to do it.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 12:57am
by Gandalf
Pelranius wrote:Beats me why they would choose Michigan of all places to do it.
Free factories and unemployed locals.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 01:23am
by Pelranius
Whoops, never mind, the Chinese are in Spokane. That makes more sense (from a logistical stand point if nothing else).

Liberitas has a review of the original cut. They complained about censorship, and also mentioned Tomorrow, When the War Began, as another film influenced by 'censorship'. Fucking idiots.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 02:12am
by hongi
Holy shit that Libertas website is hilarious. I laughed at their wanking over good wholesome 'Merican characters:
What really gives the film credibility at this point – and sustains it throughout – is Chris Hemsworth playing Iraq War vet Jed Eckert. He is nothing short of sensational. If Thor doesn’t turn Hemsworth into a star, Red Dawn will. He conveys a rugged masculinity, a toughness of spirit, a middle America/Red State vibe you don’t really see anymore on-screen in the depiction of American teenage guys – all of whom have seemingly been turned into Michael Cera. Hemsworth is the glue that holds the film together.
Pity that you had to get an Australian (Hemsworth) to play your fap worthy main lead. Hollywood liberals, keeping rugged masculine men down!

Also, classy how they splashed a picture of Isabel Lucas in a bikini up on the page (she's also Australian btw).
And there’s also the Australian film Tomorrow, When the War Began (based on the popular Australian novel series), which features teenagers fighting off an invasion of Australia by an unspecified Asiatic power. Tomorrow was a huge hit in Australia, a sequel is already in production, and Paramount has picked up international distribution rights to the original film.

Homefront, Tomorrow, When the War Began and the newly re-edited Red Dawn all, however, appear to be equivocating on the nature of the threat coming from China – a threat that courageous Chinese filmmakers like Zhao Liang and Huang Weikai have literally risked their lives to document. If only filmmakers in the West had their courage.
Reviewer hasn't read the books obviously, the author specifically wrote it so that the invaders were never identified.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 02:38am
by mr friendly guy
Reading the Libertas website.
As a further note, there is a certain racist crudeness in equating Chinese with Koreans (i.e., ‘Asians all the look the same’) of which MGM seems unmindful.
Strangely these guys see noooo racism with Red Dawn showcasing a case of yellow peril with the Chinese soldiers blatantly killing civillians. Maybe we just need the soldiers to do an imitation of Abu Ghraib and the Gitmo and then it will be ok. AM I RITE.

Hey, maybe while we are at it, we can get some white guys to play the Chinese soldiers, M Night Shymalan style. After all its racist to suggest only Asians should play Asians from a SoD point. Whistles innocently. :wink:
So that’s what we saw. It’s a shame that MGM is now going to tamper with it for political reasons – and turn the villains into the North Koreans, Guatemalans, Saskatchewans, or whoever else they have in mind. Hell, why not have the Oakland Raiders invade? I’d find that more believable than the starving, impoverished prison state of North Korea invading us right now.
More believable! As oppose to what? China invading with a training aircraft carrier and how many amphibious transports? How did they get their soldiers across the Pacific ocean. Beamed them up?

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 02:59am
by hongi
As a further note, there is a certain racist crudeness in equating Chinese with Koreans (i.e., ‘Asians all the look the same’) of which MGM seems unmindful.
He's only mentioning this because he wants the movie to be about Chinese. I guarantee you he doesn't give a toss that they most likely had a lot of Korean actors playing Chinese soldiers. But now that they have Korean actors playing North Koreans...racist!!!1

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 05:24am
by Lord of the Abyss
mr friendly guy wrote:You mean the original remake plan where China invades wasn't already ridiculous? :D How did so many Chinese troops get on US soil anyway? Walk on water?
They hijacked the Stargate and wormholed their way onto American soil !!


Hey, it's probably better than whatever excuse they are planning on using.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 01:27pm
by Patrick Degan
mr friendly guy wrote:
Patrick Degan wrote:It's a certain bet that the military consultants took one look at the revised nRD scenario and while they were still laughing the filmmakers decided to go ahead with it anyway.
You mean the original remake plan where China invades wasn't already ridiculous? :D How did so many Chinese troops get on US soil anyway? Walk on water? And even if it was only a small number, how do they expect them to do any serious damage to the US? Maybe they were the equivalent of Karen Traviss clone troopers. Where one can take on a few billion. :D
Well, that even assuming they bothered asking consultants on the Chinese plan before asking them about this ridiculous iteration.

I suppose in the original, the Chinese invade America by digging a huge tunnel straight through the Earth but are a bit off on their calculations and come up in Michigan.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 04:26pm
by Lost Soal
Isn't it obvious? This is why they bought HMS Invincible. They simply sailed that ahead of their own ships with a big sign saying "Were Coming To Get You", causing all the US Military commanders to break down in hysterics and forget to order someone to shoot them.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-19 04:44pm
by Pelranius
Patrick Degan wrote:
I suppose in the original, the Chinese invade America by digging a huge tunnel straight through the Earth but are a bit off on their calculations and come up in Michigan.
As a matter of fact, that was the plot of some C movie from the 60s, according to tv tropes (can't check it, swore off the sit for Lent).

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-20 06:09am
by Todeswind
Out of curiosity how well did that movie do in the former USSR after the fall?

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-20 06:23am
by fgalkin
Todeswind wrote:Out of curiosity how well did that movie do in the former USSR after the fall?
Red Dawn? It didn't "do" at all.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-20 07:48am
by open_sketchbook
For fucks sakes, who cares how plausible it is. Red Dawn isn't about making sense, it's about "Wolverines!" and being an allegory for resistance fighters terrorists in Afganistan fighting the Soviets Americans.

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-20 09:21am
by Big Orange
The Chinese have made a lot of progress in the last couple of decades and the PLA is a formidable, rapidly improving and modernising force, but according to some experts China's strategic reach across the Pacific in the context of today is not as long as Japan's strategic reach was in 1940 (and the best attack the Japanese did on US soil proper was float those silly balloon bombers over). America's military presence in the Pacific and Asia has been on a slow decline since Vietnam, but they're still powerful and too far away, with India, both Koreas, Japan, Taiwan, and Russia being more immediate potential enemies of China (in fact the PRC has fought pretty intense, but obscure border skirmishes with India and Russia in decades gone by).

Re: Red Dawn Remake to Replace Chinese...

Posted: 2011-03-20 09:43am
by Sarevok
open_sketchbook wrote:For fucks sakes, who cares how plausible it is. Red Dawn isn't about making sense, it's about "Wolverines!" and being an allegory for resistance fighters terrorists in Afganistan fighting the Soviets Americans.
Under that logic one might as well replace the North Koreans with Colombian drug cartels then. A good antagonist IS crucial to storytelling even if the movie is a thinly veiled comedy. The PLA being on US soil is something Americans distantly fear even though it is unlikely. Featuring the North Koreans is akin to getting invaded by Unicorns.