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Based entirely on Wong's recommendation on his home page, I went out
and bought Mandrake Linux. I installed it on my old old Pentium II 450, and
the boot takes forever, but then again, you don't need to boot more than once every few MONTHS.....

I'm floundering around.....must......find.......shit......for......linux........

Wong, where do I find free Mandrake 8.2 stuff?

You will *know where to find the approate Linux stuff when you *know how to use linux

Its like riding a bike
Minus the trips to the emergancy room

I ve been trying to d/l the madrake CD #2 ISO fall day. I tried 4 different servers and each time the download failed. ARRGHHH! Not my lucky day.

I hate when you get 95% of a file and then it gets toasted.

MKSheppard wrote:Based entirely on Wong's recommendation on his home page, I went out and bought Mandrake Linux. I installed it on my old old Pentium II 450, and the boot takes forever, but then again, you don't need to boot more than once every few MONTHS.....

Heh heh ... I had to ruin my eight-month uptime when I disconnected everything for my renovations. That annoyed me.

I'm floundering around.....must......find.......shit......for......linux........
Wong, where do I find free Mandrake 8.2 stuff?

You'd be surprised at how much shit is already included. Most of it can be accessed from the K-menu, but there are some items that are designed for command-line use.

As for extra stuff, I suggest you go to openoffice.org for an office suite. Also go to macromedia.com and get the latest Flash plug-in for Linux, and then go to sun.com and get the latest Java Run-Time for Linux. That'll give you full office and web-authoring capability as well as better web browsing. Then do a google search on MPlayer and download/install MPlayer (unless it already came installed; just open a command shell and type "mplayer"
to see if you've got it).

Best way is to get somone who acutal knows how to use Linux send you a CD or two of stuff they have as the typical Linux user after a few months moves into what I like to call the *Gimmme gimme gimme phase where-opon they download everything and anything for Linux after passing the intial learning stages of the OS they now want everything and they want it now

Well best of luck Shep

there is really only geek stuff out there for linuc, you know stuff you can do work with. Not to muych on the way of entertainment if that was your question. if you ever need to fund a rpm go to rpmfind. its easier than compiling. I suggest relegating your computer to file server/ webserer. I only really work with it when I am working on cross platform stuff. Really its just a tool.

BTW don;t get cuaght up in the OS vs OS bs, thats an argument everyone loses at.

I'm basically gonna use it as a triple boot machine

1. Mandrake Linux 8.2

2. Microsoft Windows 98SE (best windows ever)

3. MS-DOS 6.22 (many old dos games do not run under the DOS 7.0 issued
with Windows 9x)

Don't they understand the time saved by simply making everything easy
to install, ala Microsoft based programs?

(Looking at WINE now)

Don't they understand the time saved by simply making everything easy
to install, ala Microsoft based programs?

Because sad to Say Linux programers are thier own worst enemies, They are no other way of saying it Elitist Shit-heads

Mr Bean wrote: Because sad to Say Linux programers are thier own worst enemies, They are no other way of saying it Elitist Shit-heads

Indeed.......

*takes computer with Linux and throws it out the window in disgust at
insane instructions to install new video card drivers for GeForce Card*

Don't even think asking for help from usergroups

You'll get a nicer reaction from fokes in Time Square naked with Go Osama painted on your back

Mr Bean wrote:Don't even think asking for help from usergroups

You'll get a nicer reaction from fokes in Time Square naked with Go Osama painted on your back

I've been trying to install that fucking piece of shit KDE......the copy of
KDE on my Mandrake 8.2 CDs wouldn't install, and so I had to download
it from the web, and it gave me all kinds of errors installing.....$&@$^&@*%)^@#

When I boot KDE, it gives me all kinds of errors, like it's fucking WINBLOWS,
not LINUX.....

*takes out .44 magnum and begins to hunt down Linus Torvalds for the grave sin of not ripping off the Windows model of huge executable files....*

hey look,

you should have researched what you were going to do before you bought it. 8,2 has troubles, you chould have gotten 8.1 and run an update.

Make informed choices, in the unix world if you don;t do your homework, you are going to get hit pretty hard.

Azeron wrote:hey look,

you should have researched what you were going to do before you bought it. 8,2 has troubles, you chould have gotten 8.1 and run an update.

Make informed choices, in the unix world if you don;t do your homework, you are going to get hit pretty hard.

It runs with GNOME well, it's just that it's being a bitch installing KDE....

MKSheppard wrote:It runs with GNOME well, it's just that it's being a bitch installing KDE....

In my experience, people who are linux newbies should try using it in stock form for a while. Generally speaking, a new Linux install runs fine in its unaltered state, and people should try using it for a while like that, tweaking minor things and getting comfortable before they try anything else.

Altering a linux system is easier than Windows once you know what you're doing (try upgrading Internet Explorer or replacing a video driver without rebooting in Windows, or try to replace the Windows GUI at all), but it's harder when you don't know what you're doing.

Darth Wong wrote:

MKSheppard wrote:It runs with GNOME well, it's just that it's being a bitch installing KDE....

In my experience, people who are linux newbies should try using it in stock form for a while. Generally speaking, a new Linux install runs fine in its unaltered state, and people should try using it for a while like that, tweaking minor things and getting comfortable before they try anything else.

I couldn't install it in STOCK form......I think I have a Bad CD......@*(%(&@#%&

MKSheppard wrote:

Azeron wrote:hey look,

you should have researched what you were going to do before you bought it. 8,2 has troubles, you chould have gotten 8.1 and run an update.

Make informed choices, in the unix world if you don;t do your homework, you are going to get hit pretty hard.

It runs with GNOME well, it's just that it's being a bitch installing KDE....

Well I ran Mandrake 8.1 for a week, and couldnt make anything work, it had a excellent install, but I just didnt have the knowledge to do anything with it.
If I may pass on a suggestion, get yourself a book on basic linux {with some exersizes in it if possible} do a clean install and work your way through the book. Try not to get frustrated with it, if you do take a break.
Remember you dont know everything, so get the basics right, the rest will follow in due course.

Finally installed KDE......I now know how to install LINUX and get it
working correctly. I wish some smart cookie would rip to pieces
MS-DOS 6.22 and make a virtual DOS machine for LINUX...would
save us all the trouble of dual-boot setup (which is insanely hard...)

EDIT:

Gonna install Windows 98 SE and then Linux....I now know how to do it
properly.....wish me luck

There is actually a DOS emulator for linux it's called dosemu I think and it's supposed to be quite good.

you know, if I want to use DOS I use DOS. if I want to use linux, I use linus. why bother with emulators?

Just use the freaking command prompt if you want to do text crap

you know, if I want to use DOS I use DOS. if I want to use linux, I use linus. why bother with emulators?

Just use the freaking command prompt if you want to do text crap

Azeron wrote:you know, if I want to use DOS I use DOS. if I want to use linux, I use linus. why bother with emulators?

Just use the freaking command prompt if you want to do text crap

Because I'd like to play old DOS games, because M$' DOS 7.0 that
comes with Windows 98SE does not work with Steel Panthers....

And I don't like partitioning and fucking around....multiboot systems are
a headache, man,.

MKSheppard wrote:Because I'd like to play old DOS games, because M$' DOS 7.0 that comes with Windows 98SE does not work with Steel Panthers....

Remember Wing Commander Privateer? There's lot of old DOS programs that won't work with Windows, just like there are lots of Win95/98 programs that won't work with NT/2000/XP.

And I don't like partitioning and fucking around....multiboot systems are a headache, man,.

They are, but it's not so bad when you do it right. Here's the trick:

1. Make a primary FAT16 partition, and put DOS on it.
2. Use advanced partitioning software such as Partition Magic for DOS or Partition Manager (freeware) to make a second primary partition (FDISK will refuse to do this because Microsoft has deliberately crippled it in order to discourage multi-booting).
3. Make this new primary partition active. This will cause it to boot up as C: (in effect, it will think it's the first partition).
4. Install Windows 98 on it.
5. Install Linux. It will make new partitions in the remaining space.
6. Use Linux's built-in LILO to switch between operating systems (MDK8.2 has a "reboot to a particular OS" option in its login screen). Alternatively, you can use XOSL.

By the way, I was curious about the massive installation problems everyone was reporting about MDK8.2, and I've never been shy about fucking around with my computer, so I downloaded and installed MDK8.2 on my machine. It installed easily, with no special Linux wizard knowledge required; I just answered all of the questions in the installation menus (mind you, I used "Expert" install, but even a reasonably skilled Windows user should be able to walk through those menus without difficulty).

Only a few items to note:

1. I didn't let it install software updates as part of the install. I'm not comfortable with that, since I'd rather use MandrakeUpdate (from the Kmenu, under "Configuration", "Packaging") so that I can see what it's doing.
2. I wanted to upgrade from KDE 2.2.2 to KDE 3.0.3. After downloading the KDE 3.0.3 packages from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0.3/Mandrake/8.2 I installed them immediately by typing urpmi * and I discovered a couple of dependency issues. Timidity interfered with kdemultimedia3 and kdevelop required kdesdk3, which wasn't included. I loaded up Software Manager (again, from KMenu, "Configuration", "Packaging"), clicked on the "installed" tab, searched for Timidity, and deleted it (nobody needs it anyway; it converts MIDI files to WAV files by using GUS samples). Then, I deleted the kdevelop RPM file because I don't intend to develop my own KDE software anyway, thus eliminating the need for kdesdk3. I ran urpmi * again, and it installed OK (PS: for you Windows people who are about to shout in triumph because of the extra steps required for this install, remember that I didn't have to reboot during this process, and it's impossible to upgrade the GUI in Windows without buying and installing a whole new version of Windows, ie- going from NT to 2000 to XP).
3. At this point, KDE 2.2.2 began acting squirrelly (no kidding; I just replaced it), so I logged out and logged back in under KDE3. Everything started up OK.
4. I replaced the KDE terminal shortcut with G-Nome terminal (you just right-click on the menu bar to make changes), because I like the G-Nome terminal better, and the KDE terminal seems to be a bit buggy.

No other issues to report so far. I've had it running for a day so far; in fact, I'm using it right now. If you had problems getting KDE running on the stock install, I can only imagine that maybe you're right, and one of your discs is bad (either that, or your CD is unreliable when pushing lots of data; I had nightmarish installation problems with MDK 8.1 until I replaced my CD-ROM cable with an 80-wire ATA100 cable, at which point it installed flawlessly).

I've had problems with burnt CD's of mandrake before, I just burnt another disc and it worked fine. God only knows what was wrong with it, disc worked fine under windows but when I started installing it was pathetically slow.

Just out of curiosity, how big IS the update for Mandrake 8.1 to 8.2? I've got 8.1 on CDs here at home and I plan on installing it again in a few days.