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No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN troops

Posted: 2003-03-20 03:14pm
by Enlightenment
From the CBC:
No trial for mistaken bombing, hearing recommends
Last Updated Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:35:17

NEW ORLEANS - A military hearing has recommended that two American pilots who dropped a bomb on Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan last spring should not face a court martial.

Investigating officer Col. Patrick Rosenow says there is sufficient evidence to try Majs. William Umbach and Harry Schmidt on charges of involuntary manslaughter, aggravated assault and dereliction of duty.

But he says their punishment could best be addressed by sanctions determined by a higher-ranking officer.

Four Canadian soldiers were killed in the bombing on the night of April 17, 2001:

* Sgt. Marc Leger
* Cpl. Ainsworth Dyer
* Pte. Richard Green
* Pte. Nathan Smith

The bombing near Kandahar left eight other Canadian soldiers wounded. They were involved in a nighttime, live-fire exercise.

The hearing, similar to a preliminary hearing in Canada or a civilian grand jury in the U.S., was held in January and lasted for eight days.

The last government witness, Brig.-Gen. Stephen Sargeant, testified that the two pilots had acted with "reckless disregard" on the night of the accidental bombing.

Both Umbach and Schmidt say they have been made scapegoats by the military.

"I was called upon to make a perfect decision in a rapidly unfolding combat environment," said Schmidt, who dropped the laser-guided bomb. "I had to make that decision with what I now know, with the acuity of 20-20 hindsight, was imperfect information."

The final decision about what to do is up to Lt. Gen. Bruce Carlson, commander of the 8th Air Force.

He is not bound by Rosenow's recommendation.
Yep, the USAF really holds the lives of allied troops in high regard, doesn't it?

Posted: 2003-03-20 03:33pm
by Montcalm
If the pilots had been given drugs by their commanding officers then the blame goes to them and,the idiot who did not inform the pilots about the practice. :twisted:

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 03:39pm
by Sea Skimmer
Enlightenment wrote:
Yep, the USAF really holds the lives of allied troops in high regard, doesn't it?
Blue on Blue happens and many of the US losses in the campaign where from it. However, if you actually read the fucking article you'd see that there not getting off, its just been recommended that punishment be decided by a higher rank officer rather then a court marshal. You might also notice that no finnal decision has been made.

Enlightenments trolling based on ignoring everything but an article title strikes again. :roll:

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 03:50pm
by Enlightenment
Sea Skimmer wrote:However, if you actually read the fucking article you'd see that there not getting off, its just been recommended that punishment be decided by a higher rank officer rather then a court marshal. You might also notice that no finnal decision has been made.
NJP or summary judgements issued by commanding officers are primarily intended to deal with minor offenses. By standing against a court martial the USAF is arguing that the offenses aren't significant enough to be worth a trial. That's an insult in and of itself regardless of the fact that the pilots haven't yet escaped scot-free.
Enlightenments trolling based on ignoring everything but an article title strikes again. :roll:
You're an idiot. Considering the straw-man density of your post, it's you who's trolling.

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 04:15pm
by von Neufeld
Enlightenment wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Enlightenments trolling based on ignoring everything but an article title strikes again. :roll:
You're an idiot. Considering the straw-man density of your post, it's you who's trolling.
***SIGH***

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 10:50pm
by Cal Wright
Enlightenment wrote:
You're an idiot. Considering the straw-man density of your post, it's you who's trolling.
If you could actually come up with something more than a half assed comment on everything American, then it wouldn't be seen as trolling. You posted the article, I read your response, figured the article supported that. Nope, wrong again. Your just being fucktard cockmonkey as usual. What would it take for you to not reply in that manner? A public god damn execution? Whatever rock your crawled out from under, go back. Please.

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 11:08pm
by Enlightenment
DG_Cal_Wright wrote:If you could actually come up with something more than a half assed comment on everything American, then it wouldn't be seen as trolling. You posted the article, I read your response, figured the article supported that. Nope, wrong again. Your just being fucktard cockmonkey as usual. What would it take for you to not reply in that manner? A public god damn execution? Whatever rock your crawled out from under, go back. Please.
Hey look, my little shadow has crawled out of its sewer to spew shit at me once more. I see you've come up with a new fantasy about my death. Did you stop feeling satisfaction when wanking off to fantasies of dropping a MOAB on my place of residence or was there some other trigger for this new behavior? Inquiring minds want to know.


P.S. Are you still looking for a rope to hang Ted?

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 11:24pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Enlightenment wrote:You're an idiot. Considering the straw-man density of your post, it's you who's trolling.
You're a fucking idiot, hands down. Since you demonstrate this countless times daily, you should excuse him from having to keep a record and database of it and your sick little agendas.

Re: No courtmartial recommended for pilot who killed CDN tro

Posted: 2003-03-20 11:39pm
by Cal Wright
Enlightenment wrote:
Hey look, my little shadow has crawled out of its sewer to spew shit at me once more.
Wow, the little monkey got creative. This caught me by surprise, soley, because I could not possibly fathom anything remotely intelligent EVER coming from the asshole misplaced on his shoulders. Shocking events in the world these days.

I see you've come up with a new fantasy about my death.


No wonder your so disgruntled at Americans, your fucking retarded? Do you get a special education too?

DG_Cal_Wright wrote:A public god damn execution?

Yes, I'm sure you would like that to be referring to you. However, as usual, you're merely mistaken. Grossly at that.

A public execution of the ACCUSED PILOTS THAT BLASTED THE SHIT OUT OF ALLIED FORCES you asshat. Damn. What a fucking twit.

Did you stop feeling satisfaction when wanking off to fantasies of dropping a MOAB on my place of residence or was there some other trigger for this new behavior?


What the fuck. No, it would be hillarious if they 'accidentaly' dropped a bomb on your ass. What triggered my assholish nature. Plenty of things. However the final straw was the constant America bashing you exhibit with thread comments exactly how you started this one. Instead of rolling my eyes and trying to ignore it, I took up arms. If you expected a peacnik hippie, your wrong. I'm a warmongering American. Deal with it.
Inquiring minds want to know.
No, I'm an asshole. Tried and true. Not only that, but your a fucking spin doctering bastard. Go to hell, go directly to hell, do not pass go, don't get shit.

[/quote]P.S. Are you still looking for a rope to hang Ted?[/quote]

I would go dig up the thread your referring to, but it would yet again prove your either

A) misunderstanding what other post
B) Your a fucking moron.

I think it's a mixture of A & B. Hang Ted? No, never said that, nor did I imply it. That's a standard bigoted stereotype your trying to post. America doesn't hang people anymore. If we're lucky we fry hardened criminals. Out of context, my use of 'Ted', and 'Rope' was to TIE TED TO A FUCKING MOAB. Not hang him. There's a huge fucking difference. However, it's not as glaring as the god damn sun so of course you fucking missed it.

Posted: 2003-03-20 11:41pm
by EmperorChrostas the Cruel
To "Endarkenment".

Have you EVER made a post that didn't use a clever insult, a simple insult, or a snide condesending comment about how much smarter you are, and if the rest of us were just, "up to your level," we would agree?

It must suck being such a lefty, and seeing the sacred cows of the UN and socialism take it on the chin. And to be so otherwise impotent, seeing the world shift away from what you want.

You must seeth at night, bitter and angry at the "foolish" choices of the most powerful man on earth, who is immune from your critisism.
G W Bush, the man you can only insult, and misname.

Do you realise, that your inability to even use his NAME, without turning it into and insult, makes you less able to think rationaly about him?
When you demonise, it gets in the way of your thinking.

Because to you, he is not a man, who dissagrees with you, but a fool, a scoundrel, ect.. Not a man, but a thing, a caricature.

You and "Spamaroo".
Read "1984", and contemplate your voluntaraly shrinking your own vocabulary.

Posted: 2003-03-20 11:43pm
by Darth Wong
This has nothing to do with the article quoted, and has degenerated into a nationalism flamefest.

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