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Ziggy Stardust wrote:I don't think it's a good sign that even the CG in the trailer looks downright awful.

biostem wrote:I'm only familiar w/ the lore up to WC3... are their brown/tan & green orcs? I suppose this is going to be before they ally with the trolls or tauren?

Darth Yan wrote:It isn't. Blizzard said it's akin the ultimate brand of marvel (similar characters, somewhat different way events play out.) Bad writing aside the tie in stuff has made the orcs more tolerable (it's established that the bulk of the orcs who fought with garrosh were blackrock and dragon maw. The other orc clans are implied to have gotten fed up and joined the rebels.

Lord Revan wrote:in other news it seems like Varian's mom (aka Oueen Taria Wrynn) was alive after the assassination of Llane Wrynn (that scene in Stormwind seems to be a funeral of some sorts).

RogueIce wrote:Retcon: The Movie

So is this just the first game (for an incredibly loose definition of the original plot) or what? Wonder if it'll become Official Lore...

Civil War Man wrote:

RogueIce wrote:Retcon: The Movie

So is this just the first game (for an incredibly loose definition of the original plot) or what? Wonder if it'll become Official Lore...

Arielangel wrote: The problem of the camps was to deliver the same treatment (even if said treatment was merely psychological) to children and adults alike.

You may argue the adults deserved it; and yes, they did. Perhaps even more. Perhaps death and much, much more.

The children on the other hand... they didn´t. The negligence with the youngsters was what made possible for someone delusional like Garrosh to manipulate them and earn their loyalty. The discontent. The notion a complete generation of innocent people HAS TO pay for the errors of the previous generetion only makes space for hate. Hate for said parents. Hate for the punishers. Hate for themselves.

I don´t know you people, but I always found extremely sad what Gorgonna said to Garrosh in his leader´s short story. Yes the orcs have to attone. But that attonement had to come from the guilty ones, not the innocent youngsters. Innocent that grew up full of resentment and with morals and self esteem tempered by hate, fear and self doubt:

“Our parents fought in the wars,” she said slowly. “They drank the blood of Mannoroth like your father did, and they were parties to its curse. They committed terrible acts in the name of the Horde. They attacked and murdered the innocent.”

Garrosh bristled. His father was no murderer. “They did what they believed necessary! Do you defile the name of your own blood?”

“I honor my parents' memory—make no mistake!” she cried. “But what they believed was wrong. What all the orcs believed was wrong. We must suffer for it. The warchief understands this, as do I. My sister does not.”

“That is ridiculous. You never even fought in the wars! You said you were children in the internment camps! Isn’t that enough punishment? Why should you suffer any more?”

“I bear the mark all the same,” she said, holding up her hands—green, as were her sister’s, as were all the orcs in Orgrimmar, save him. “I reap what all of them have sown. Is there not some payment owed?”

“And who would set the price?” Garrosh demanded. Her attitude angered him. Did she have no pride at all? “Who could possibly have the right to make that call?”

“I will pay what the warchief asks,” she answered.

“Thrall would never be that unreasonable. We don’t owe anybody anything.”

Gorgonna stared at him a moment, then unexpectedly she laughed just as bitterly as her sister had. “Of course not,” she said. “You don’t owe anybody a thing, Mag’har. But we are not you.”


So she basically said she had to suffer because her skin was green... is almost like a bad joke of a slave. She didn´t murder, steal, *@%@@#%! or anything; but the warped and ridiculous logic here is that "she must pay for the sins of her parents and feel content while doing so"

I personally find that ridiculous. One pays for one´s mistakes. No more and no less.

The children of the orcs born on the internment camps should have been separated from the adults, put on orphanages similar to human ones and treated with respect and kindness. They could have developed looking at the humans not as punishers or jailors, but as parents themselves.

What the Alliance did (A.K.A. mantain them with the adults in confinement) DID create an entire generation of abused children. The only difference is that some of those children resented everything around them because of the unjust situation (like Krenna) or grew up believing it was perfectly normal and that they should pay for the sin of having green skin (like Gorgonna).

Me thinks none of those abused children are mentaly healthy. The first one did show that propension to mindless violence and the second one accepted the abuse and even defends it, at the cost of her self esteem.

Malodin wrote:I completely agree with you here. The orcish children were innocent and their mistreatment in the camps eventually led to someone like Garrosh being allowed to pull what he pulled..

However, I can't really think of anything that would have made it turn out differently.
Was it wrong that the orcish children were left in the camps like their parents? Of course it was. It was terribly wrong, however, the alternative is taking them away from their parents. From there, what do they do with them? Do they give them foster-families within the human population, which among that population, only a handful didn't outright want to see the orcs dead? Now you have orcish children being directly abused, without at least the comfort of their biological parents.

Then what? Do they put them in large orphanages? If they do that, they might as well be in the camps. At least they have their parents.

It's just one of those things were there's no real "right" way to go about it.

Patroklos wrote:Looks like shit. Visually that crappy Final Fantasy movie looks better even now 15 years later, but from what I can see even that steaming turd had a more interesting story.