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You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 06:37am
by Archinist
One day you are wake up in a big square concrete box. It is sealed by two airlocks large enough to fit a large mining transport through, but open and close completely in five seconds. The airlock doors are completely airtight and are durable enough to survive multiple direct nuclear blasts of medium to high yield.

The apartment contains five massive empty boxes with 1 megalitre of storage capacity underground. The boxes are airtight and can be hot and cold meaning you can store both hot items and cold items in them because they the box is actually separated into thousands of tiny boxes.

The apartment itself is a giant concrete and steel box 300 by 300 meters and 100 meters tall. It is 100% open-air, and there are no separate rooms or anything like that, the only doors are the entrance doors. The furniture is a mixture of microwave ovens, conventional ovens, vehicles, dinner tables, survival bags, clothes, boxes, clocks, measuring equipment, antennae, beacons, wireless mapping equipment, small orbital satellites which are easier to set up than a $100 drone and run off solar panels, everlasting computers, and weapons.

However, all this equipment simply sits in the middle of the box in a big pile, although not in a way where the items would be damaged (example: tanks sitting on computers). Basically the items look like a game map with all the assets just placed into one big pile. Since the floors on the building are extremely anti-viral and anti-bacterial and will annihilate anything on their surfaces, all food items are not contained within packets or cups, but instead poured out all over the floor, including liquids, however small indentions on the floor make liquids easy to retrieve.

You have everything you need, including storage boxes and water containers for easy storage. Large items can be stored in the massive underground storage basins via a teleporter which will never break down. However, for easy access since the teleporter can only carry 10 items at once and has a 5 minute recharge time, you might want to keep items on the surface in storage crates.

The entire apartment is heated via 500 ceiling-mounted gas heaters with unlimited fuel. They are always switched on, and will never break down and run on maximum heat, and have actually been activated for 1 year before you arrive for pre-heating. However, for personal comfort included in the starter equipment pile is a set of 20 wood-fired heaters to remind you of the olden days.

You start off with an assortment of 50 vehicles. 10 Cougar MRAPs, 10 blank HEMTT trucks, 10 VAB APCs, 10 M1A2 Abrams tanks, 10 C-5M transport planes. These vehicles also start off in the main storage pile.

The apartment is powered by infinite electricity. There is a single ring of lights around the top edge of the walls, and a single light is powerful enough to light an entire city, yet there is one light per one meter of wall. These lights are always on, and run at maximum power. Also, each entire wall is covered in electrical outlets, 10 outlets per meter. Every inch of the floor is also swallowed up by outlets, at 12 outlets per meter. This will ensure you never run out of space to plug things into.

There is 50,000 liters of fuel in total stored in the apartment. However, this fuel is stored in multiple 1 liter cans which are stored in the main cargo pile in the center. It is a good idea to pour the fuel onto the floor for easier access or put it into the main storage bays instead of leave them in the cans.

The floor is also coated with 100,000 liters of various cleaning chemicals for good hygiene practices. Each chemical is color-coded and you get a sheet of paper which explains which color is what chemical. It is recommended to gather all the chemicals up and store them in their respective bottles.

You have access to multiple weapons. Included in the storage pile are hundreds of explosive shells, landmines, tripmines, kinetic shells, spears, shotguns, bullets and enough ammunition to fire all of these weapons non-stop for 1 year.

There is also an extreme 4x4 vehicle, but it has no wheels.

There are 20 crafting stations each of which you can relocate to wherever you want and each do exactly do the same thing. An instructional sheet of paper which is indestructible and cannot be lost will tell you all the crafting recipes. You can craft anything from a simple stone spear to a fully functional death star to a TARDIS at these stations, but you need the respective ingredients.

So the challenge is to survive and gather your own food. The apartment is located in the middle of nowhere in a snowy forest filled with foxes, wolves, bears and whatnot. The planet you are on resembles a rich prehistoric earth, with dinosaurs and strange squid in swamps and desert snakes and whatnot. Eventually the goal is to develop your own electrical machines and then your own computers and then your own spaceships and then your own robots and whatnot and move on to colonize other planets. You have 500 years to do all of this.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 07:29am
by Darth Tanner
How are ceiling mounted gas heaters working when there is no ceiling?

In reality I get bored and either get eaten by something whilst out for a walk or a flying monster comes and eats me. The end.

Or I die of poisoning because all my food and water is contaminated with cleaning chemicals.

I have zero chance of developing my own electronics or space program even with a mystery 500 year life expectancy and explicit instructions, telling me to wire circuits is no use if I have no idea how to do so. Neither am I sure why I would want to... I'm literally trapped on my own with no entertainment... I'll probably blow my own head off within the decade.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 08:12am
by Archinist
Darth Tanner wrote:How are ceiling mounted gas heaters working when there is no ceiling?

In reality I get bored and either get eaten by something whilst out for a walk or a flying monster comes and eats me. The end.

Or I die of poisoning because all my food and water is contaminated with cleaning chemicals.

I have zero chance of developing my own electronics or space program even with a mystery 500 year life expectancy and explicit instructions, telling me to wire circuits is no use if I have no idea how to do so. Neither am I sure why I would want to... I'm literally trapped on my own with no entertainment... I'll probably blow my own head off within the decade.
There are ceiling though? The ceiling is just 100 meters above the ground. It's still there though. The gas heaters will keep you nice and warm through the winter snowy.

Also there are plenty of weapons provided. You could just take a MRAP or a VAB outside and you'd be immortal to pretty much any wildlife, although it couldn't go everywhere. No flying monster can get inside because there is a massive nuke-proof wall in the way.

NONONO. There is a water and food filter which removes the harmful chemicals from the food or water. It can process an entire fridge's worth of food in half a minute.

You have plenty of entertainment. Ever wanted to see what happens if you crash a R/C drone into a dinosaur? Well now you can! I mean you've probably fantasized shooting at flying monsters with guns, well now you can within the absolute safety of an M1A2 tank.

You could also figure out some R/C piloting for the C-5 airplanes and ram them into a mountain when they're loaded with napalm and fireworks for entertainment. Or you just drive the tanks off a cliff, or blow up the local wildlife with the landmines. So there is plenty of entertainment.

You can read plenty of educational books which are also there. Plus instructions on how to create things. Also if you created computers then you could create digital entertainment for yourself, so there is also that.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 08:35am
by Zixinus
Essentially, you drop the player into a space-minecraft game all by their lonesome and with a very generous start on a tech-tree.

You need a community using this stuff to archive long-term self-sustenance never mind archive space travel . A single individual, no matter how intelligent, is not going to be hold it together for long. Making spaceships is difficult when you have all the education necessary and all the equipment, manned by skilled people, necessary. Even then they have a tendency to blow up. That a lone person would figure this out, maintain sanity, juggle survival, self-sustenance, upholding technological infrastructure and still have room for advancement all in the confines of the concrete shelter is rather unlikely. I am definitely know that I'm far from smart enough. I don't think even the smartest board members here would have better than significant but not considerable chances. You'd need a human superman to archive this kind of thing.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 08:40am
by Darth Tanner
It is 100% open-air
Either it has a ceiling or its open air.

If its not open air and instead is thick conceret the box quickly becomes a super heated death trap due to excess heating that doesnt switch off.
You have plenty of entertainment.
Let me rephrase... I lack any entertainment suitable for the mentally stable. Reading educational material on 'crafting' will likely bore me to tears by the end of the week. Programming me a computer game from scratch should only take me a couple of decades, that sounds fun!
Also there are plenty of weapons provided. You could just take a MRAP or a VAB
So how are armoured vehicles usful for protection whilst walking. Plus with the absense of roads I'm pretty limited to any flat areas directly outside the box... considering you put me in a heavy forest I'm just as likely to get lost or grounded or roll the vehicle and get eaten that way.

I still think I blow my brains out within the decade. Likely mucg sooner as cabin fever sets in due to all the monsters outside.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 10:26am
by Archinist
Zixinus wrote:Essentially, you drop the player into a space-minecraft game all by their lonesome and with a very generous start on a tech-tree.

You need a community using this stuff to archive long-term self-sustenance never mind archive space travel . A single individual, no matter how intelligent, is not going to be hold it together for long. Making spaceships is difficult when you have all the education necessary and all the equipment, manned by skilled people, necessary. Even then they have a tendency to blow up. That a lone person would figure this out, maintain sanity, juggle survival, self-sustenance, upholding technological infrastructure and still have room for advancement all in the confines of the concrete shelter is rather unlikely. I am definitely know that I'm far from smart enough. I don't think even the smartest board members here would have better than significant but not considerable chances. You'd need a human superman to archive this kind of thing.
Alright, let's say they have 1000 years instead of only 500 years. They can write down notes and do calculations with computers and calculators, plus they already have a few space satellites to start off with, so they can save a few of them and study them a little bit.
Darth Tanner wrote:
It is 100% open-air
Either it has a ceiling or its open air.

If its not open air and instead is thick conceret the box quickly becomes a super heated death trap due to excess heating that doesnt switch off.
You have plenty of entertainment.
Let me rephrase... I lack any entertainment suitable for the mentally stable. Reading educational material on 'crafting' will likely bore me to tears by the end of the week. Programming me a computer game from scratch should only take me a couple of decades, that sounds fun!
Also there are plenty of weapons provided. You could just take a MRAP or a VAB
So how are armoured vehicles usful for protection whilst walking. Plus with the absense of roads I'm pretty limited to any flat areas directly outside the box... considering you put me in a heavy forest I'm just as likely to get lost or grounded or roll the vehicle and get eaten that way.

I still think I blow my brains out within the decade. Likely mucg sooner as cabin fever sets in due to all the monsters outside.
By open air I mean if you can a standard house and remove all of the INTERIOR walls. You will have an open air house because there are no walls except for the exterior walls. That is what I mean. There is a ceiling.

You can also blow up some dinosaurs with TNT for fun, or you could fly a drone into a distant volcano or you could fly a satellite up to space and then bring it back down at terminal velocity onto a large dinosaur and see what happens or you could try and hunt a massive dinosaur with a stone stick.

The armoured vehicles would scare off most wildlife and you can quickly retreat to them if required. Also the VAB sometimes has a gun mounted on it, so you could fire at the monsters with that.

If you get attacked on foot you can always shoot the dinosaurs. They're not actually bulletproof, so a gun would have some effect.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 10:34am
by General Zod
I'd probably spend a year terrified out of my mind, slowly come to the realization that I'll never see another person again and eventually kill myself in the quickest method possible.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 10:59am
by Raw Shark
I rapidly go mad from sleep deprivation and also blind due to the relentless glare of 1200 lamps that can each light an entire city.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 11:50am
by Darth Tanner
By open air I mean if you can a standard house and remove all of the INTERIOR walls.
That is open plan, open air means your building is... open... to the air...

You have 1MW of heating constantly on in a heavily reinforced concrete box, it is literally going to cook me and everything in it. I imaigine it will cook off the explosive a few weeks after I run screaming with third degree burns into a monster mouth.
Alright, let's say they have 1000 years instead of only 500 years. They can write down notes and do calculations with computers and calculators, plus they already have a few space satellites to start off with, so they can save a few of them and study them a little bit.
You can give me a million years, I'm not repeating NASA on my own... the very concept that I would be trapped in concrete box surrounded by monsters and have to spend a million years working at chemistry and metal working for no actual purpose is horrific.
You can also blow up some dinosaurs with TNT for fun
Are you intentionally acting the psycho?
If you get attacked on foot you can always shoot the dinosaurs.
With a shotgun? Quite a lot of dinosaurs likely will just be annoyed by that, not to mention the fact insects and other swarm animals are more than dangerous enough in this era.

I pile up the explosives and blow myself to bits within the year.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 12:00pm
by Darth Tanner
Raw Shark wrote:I rapidly go mad from sleep deprivation and also blind due to the relentless glare of 1200 lamps that can each light an entire city.
Worse than that, 1,200 lights capable of powering a city would be pumping out around 34GW of energy... bursting into ash will be a bigger concern than going blind.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-25 01:26pm
by Zixinus

Alright, let's say they have 1000 years instead of only 500 years. They can write down notes and do calculations with computers and calculators, plus they already have a few space satellites to start off with, so they can save a few of them and study them a little bit.
I think you didn't understand my post. 500 years here or there will not matter. The space-stuff is just an example. A human being, even with this massive head start, has questionable survival odds and it is unlikely that they'll be able to juggle technological infrastructure for long enough. They will make a mistake, they will go insane, they will make a miscalculation, they will fail to notice a predator in time, hell, they could just slip on uneven ground and die from hitting their head against the rock. Giving them a gun and a helmet might improve the odds but not by much. They'll just slip be trapped under a log while hunting.

Human beings just do not work like player characters in survival games do. Most board members will probably kill themselves by accident in this situation, if not kill themselves when the madness sets in. Except for Batman but he's a goddamn exception to everything.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 02:15am
by Zeropoint
Assuming that the building is altered to be survivable, if I found myself here, I'd start by collecting the various liquids and substances into a more sensible storage system. Then I'd see if I could figure out how to build a fortified compound around the building and start working on a radio system that would have global reach, in the hopes of finding someone else out there.

If it turned out that I WAS alone on the planet . . . well, I guess I'd start working on my own little SETI and NASA program. I'd have no realistic hope of completing it, though. Even if I avoided mental breakdown from the social isolation, I'd almost certainly have an accident and die well before I could accomplish anything useful.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 05:50am
by Archinist
Zeropoint wrote:Assuming that the building is altered to be survivable, if I found myself here, I'd start by collecting the various liquids and substances into a more sensible storage system. Then I'd see if I could figure out how to build a fortified compound around the building and start working on a radio system that would have global reach, in the hopes of finding someone else out there.

If it turned out that I WAS alone on the planet . . . well, I guess I'd start working on my own little SETI and NASA program. I'd have no realistic hope of completing it, though. Even if I avoided mental breakdown from the social isolation, I'd almost certainly have an accident and die well before I could accomplish anything useful.
Okay, I shout note that the only illness you can receive are quite harmless, although they can be extremely dangerous in a hazardous environment, although they by themselves cannot kill you. So as long as you are careful, there is no proper way to have an accident and die.

Why build a fortified compound around the building? You have two massive nuke-resistant airlock doors that you can take things out and in of. Unless whatever you are transporting is extremely massive, such as a medium-large aircraft or a ship, you could totally construct everything you need inside the building.
Zixinus wrote:

Alright, let's say they have 1000 years instead of only 500 years. They can write down notes and do calculations with computers and calculators, plus they already have a few space satellites to start off with, so they can save a few of them and study them a little bit.

I think you didn't understand my post. 500 years here or there will not matter. The space-stuff is just an example. A human being, even with this massive head start, has questionable survival odds and it is unlikely that they'll be able to juggle technological infrastructure for long enough. They will make a mistake, they will go insane, they will make a miscalculation, they will fail to notice a predator in time, hell, they could just slip on uneven ground and die from hitting their head against the rock. Giving them a gun and a helmet might improve the odds but not by much. They'll just slip be trapped under a log while hunting.

Human beings just do not work like player characters in survival games do. Most board members will probably kill themselves by accident in this situation, if not kill themselves when the madness sets in. Except for Batman but he's a goddamn exception to everything.
Alright, to make it more fair let's say their end goal is to make a massive concrete tunnel that stretches over the entirety of the earth and has drop-off points on both side of the poles, and loops both diagonally and vertically over the earth twice. All of this is completely serviced with electricity, plumbing, lights, conveyor belt/supply chains and a little service elevator/tram. The tunnels are about 50 meters tall and 30 meters wide.

This task should be much easier because it only requires you to figure out how to construct stable concrete tunnels first underground and then you have mostly just raw manual labour without much thinking involved until the water hits, then you just learn a little and the rest is physical labour.

You also have to construct basic vehicles which can traverse the tunnels at more than 500 kilometers an hour and a "safe" aircraft fleet.
Darth Tanner wrote:
Raw Shark wrote:I rapidly go mad from sleep deprivation and also blind due to the relentless glare of 1200 lamps that can each light an entire city.
Worse than that, 1,200 lights capable of powering a city would be pumping out around 34GW of energy... bursting into ash will be a bigger concern than going blind.
Meh. I doubt it would cause you to turn to ash, that sounds a bit too excessive. It would probably just give you a bit of sunburn if you stood under it too long, luckily there are shades.
Darth Tanner wrote:
By open air I mean if you can a standard house and remove all of the INTERIOR walls.
That is open plan, open air means your building is... open... to the air...

You have 1MW of heating constantly on in a heavily reinforced concrete box, it is literally going to cook me and everything in it. I imaigine it will cook off the explosive a few weeks after I run screaming with third degree burns into a monster mouth.
Alright, let's say they have 1000 years instead of only 500 years. They can write down notes and do calculations with computers and calculators, plus they already have a few space satellites to start off with, so they can save a few of them and study them a little bit.
You can give me a million years, I'm not repeating NASA on my own... the very concept that I would be trapped in concrete box surrounded by monsters and have to spend a million years working at chemistry and metal working for no actual purpose is horrific.
You can also blow up some dinosaurs with TNT for fun
Are you intentionally acting the psycho?
If you get attacked on foot you can always shoot the dinosaurs.
With a shotgun? Quite a lot of dinosaurs likely will just be annoyed by that, not to mention the fact insects and other swarm animals are more than dangerous enough in this era.

I pile up the explosives and blow myself to bits within the year.
I doubt the gas heaters would have enough power to heat up the concrete much. They're only open flame gas heaters, not ceramic ones or fanned ones, so they wouldn't be very effective, even if they were running 24/7. Also could also take some A/C units out of the junk pile and turn them on if you're too warm.

Blowing highly dangerous dinosaurs with TNT isn't really being psychopath, there are plenty of people who hunt smaller, less dangerous animals with guns, so hunting dinosaurs with TNT wouldn't be too much different.

You can wear a mosquito net, or a fully sealed radiation/hazmat suit to protect from the deadly flies. Some of the vehicles are also NBC sealed.


I mean, the "monsters" outside aren't actually evil creatures or supernatural beings, they're just large and sometimes dangerous animals. Plus you have more than a shotgun, you could have a powerful rifle which could probably kill large dinosaurs if you knew what you're doing, larger HMG MGs mounted onto posts or vehicles, missile launchers, tens of thousands of high velocity HE rounds, etc.




General Zod wrote:I'd probably spend a year terrified out of my mind, slowly come to the realization that I'll never see another person again and eventually kill myself in the quickest method possible.
But you could capture a wild dog or a dinosaur and make it tame and then lure more and more dinosaurs and monsters and wild dogs in and make them all tame until you had dozens of giant dinosaurs and dogs as pets, so you wouldn't really need any human companionship.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 06:38am
by Raw Shark
Archinist wrote:But you could capture a wild dog or a dinosaur and make it tame and then lure more and more dinosaurs and monsters and wild dogs in and make them all tame until you had dozens of giant dinosaurs and dogs as pets, so you wouldn't really need any human companionship.
I get bored with humans who aren't smart enough, let alone dogs and reptiles.

PS- This scenario is retarded and you probably need therapy.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 07:20am
by Zixinus
Alright, to make it more fair let's say their end goal is to make a massive concrete tunnel that stretches over the entirety of the earth and has drop-off points on both side of the poles, and loops both diagonally and vertically over the earth twice.
Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible! Do you still not understand? Mega-engineering jobs are not possible for a single individual, people do not work like they do in sandbox survival games. The scenario you describe is precisely that! Theoretically, you have all the tools to learn quantum mechanics from a local library but in practice very, very, very few people actually manage to do that. Only old-fashioned super-willpower comic book heroes (or which Batman is an example of, for others wiki The Phantom, Doc Savage, even Superman was this partially) can do such things and this is a pretty challenging scenario even for them!

In theory, yes, you have provided all the building blocks you would need. In practice, nobody is going to manage to even begin building such a tunnel. At best, they might archive a comfortable level of self-substance survival before they either die from an inevitable accident or go insane. And I really do mean inevitable, especially if they try even half of the super-engineering projects you describe. And this is probably the most capable and intelligent people on the board, hell, on the planet.

Even very intelligent and very capable people will just barely manage to survive in this world and likely will go insane. This is not some personal failing on their part, it is because humans are social creatures and need other people. Even modern loners interact with others. Pets can help but only so much and this is not going into actually how dangerous and difficult it is to tame wild animals. There have been cases where experts have been hurt doing this in very controlled environments and situations.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 07:40am
by Darth Tanner
So as long as you are careful, there is no proper way to have an accident and die
All these people that die in life must just not be careful enough! Accidents happen! It's quite disturbing that you don't seem to comprehend how dangerous living in this environment will be.
Alright, to make it more fair let's say their end goal is to make a massive concrete tunnel that stretches over the entirety of the earth and has drop-off points on both side of the poles, and loops both diagonally and vertically over the earth twice. All of this is completely serviced with electricity, plumbing, lights, conveyor belt/supply chains and a little service elevator/tram. The tunnels are about 50 meters tall and 30 meters wide.
Are you a Minecraft AI come to life?
It would probably just give you a bit of sunburn if you stood under it too long, luckily there are shades.
You have the lighting load of 120 cities shining down on you... its comparable to twice the energy of Hiroshima being released every hour.
I doubt the gas heaters would have enough power to heat up the concrete much.
There are 500 of them, if they are putting heat out into a heavily reinforced building then it is going to get warm... fast. Also thinking about it your going to also die of carbon monoxide poisoning very quickly too as your buring fuels inside.
Also could also take some A/C units out of the junk pile and turn them on if you're too warm.
Thats not how AC works! You can't just put a AC unit in a hot room with the heating on and let it cancel out the heating, it won't have anywhere to move the heat to.
Blowing highly dangerous dinosaurs with TNT isn't really being psychopath
As a source of entertainment, yes it is. Find a new therapist.
You can wear a mosquito net, or a fully sealed radiation/hazmat suit to protect from the deadly flies. Some of the vehicles are also NBC sealed.
Sounds lovely for a nice relaxing walk!
so you wouldn't really need any human companionship.
Oh dear.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 07:44am
by Iroscato
Why do I get the feeling this guy's been trapped in a small box for a long, long time?

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 11:05am
by Archinist
Darth Tanner wrote:
So as long as you are careful, there is no proper way to have an accident and die
All these people that die in life must just not be careful enough! Accidents happen! It's quite disturbing that you don't seem to comprehend how dangerous living in this environment will be.
Alright, to make it more fair let's say their end goal is to make a massive concrete tunnel that stretches over the entirety of the earth and has drop-off points on both side of the poles, and loops both diagonally and vertically over the earth twice. All of this is completely serviced with electricity, plumbing, lights, conveyor belt/supply chains and a little service elevator/tram. The tunnels are about 50 meters tall and 30 meters wide.
Are you a Minecraft AI come to life?
It would probably just give you a bit of sunburn if you stood under it too long, luckily there are shades.
You have the lighting load of 120 cities shining down on you... its comparable to twice the energy of Hiroshima being released every hour.
I doubt the gas heaters would have enough power to heat up the concrete much.
There are 500 of them, if they are putting heat out into a heavily reinforced building then it is going to get warm... fast. Also thinking about it your going to also die of carbon monoxide poisoning very quickly too as your buring fuels inside.
Also could also take some A/C units out of the junk pile and turn them on if you're too warm.
Thats not how AC works! You can't just put a AC unit in a hot room with the heating on and let it cancel out the heating, it won't have anywhere to move the heat to.
Blowing highly dangerous dinosaurs with TNT isn't really being psychopath
As a source of entertainment, yes it is. Find a new therapist.
You can wear a mosquito net, or a fully sealed radiation/hazmat suit to protect from the deadly flies. Some of the vehicles are also NBC sealed.
Sounds lovely for a nice relaxing walk!
so you wouldn't really need any human companionship.
Oh dear.
Hunting normal earthly beasts with rifles is normal and you do not need to see a therapist for that, so that means that hunting dinosaurs with TNT is also mentally 'normal' and you do not need to see a therapist for doing that. It is actually exactly the same; just dinosaurs are bigger and therefore need more dakka to kill.

Actually, as long as there is cold air coming out of one end of the A/C unit then if you stand in front of it you will be cooled.

Otherwise, the box is completely liveable although the heat is uncomfortable and the lights will give you a migraine if you are in the open for more than 20-30 minutes. Let's say a teleporter removes the excess heat/fumes/radiation/etc.

Accidents do happen, but lots of the time they involve other people, which will not be a problem in this case.

Oh deer indeed, why would you need humans when you have a boatload of fresh tree elks?
Zixinus wrote:
Alright, to make it more fair let's say their end goal is to make a massive concrete tunnel that stretches over the entirety of the earth and has drop-off points on both side of the poles, and loops both diagonally and vertically over the earth twice.
Wow, your reading comprehension is terrible! Do you still not understand? Mega-engineering jobs are not possible for a single individual, people do not work like they do in sandbox survival games. The scenario you describe is precisely that! Theoretically, you have all the tools to learn quantum mechanics from a local library but in practice very, very, very few people actually manage to do that. Only old-fashioned super-willpower comic book heroes (or which Batman is an example of, for others wiki The Phantom, Doc Savage, even Superman was this partially) can do such things and this is a pretty challenging scenario even for them!

In theory, yes, you have provided all the building blocks you would need. In practice, nobody is going to manage to even begin building such a tunnel. At best, they might archive a comfortable level of self-substance survival before they either die from an inevitable accident or go insane. And I really do mean inevitable, especially if they try even half of the super-engineering projects you describe. And this is probably the most capable and intelligent people on the board, hell, on the planet.

Even very intelligent and very capable people will just barely manage to survive in this world and likely will go insane. This is not some personal failing on their part, it is because humans are social creatures and need other people. Even modern loners interact with others. Pets can help but only so much and this is not going into actually how dangerous and difficult it is to tame wild animals. There have been cases where experts have been hurt doing this in very controlled environments and situations.
Well, there are people out there that build their own basic computers, houses, cars, etc AS A HOBBY, or in their LIMITED spare time. So it's not completely unreasonable to assume that it is completely 'impossible' to complete a megaproject alone with their entire life extended to 1000 years and devoted to it 100%.

They won't go insane, most of the time in real life people usually don't just 'go insane' because their house got dark, or because they were isolated, or because they have to do some things, or a mixture of all of those. A normal, sane and mentally stable person would probably handle this well enough with some books, automated inspirational quotes, videos, etc.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 11:22am
by Darth Tanner
Hunting normal earthly beasts with rifles is normal and you do not need to see a therapist for that
Its not normal for quite a lot of people and having it as your sole hobby is a pretty big sign of mental illness.
Actually, as long as there is cold air coming out of one end of the A/C unit then if you stand in front of it you will be cooled.
You could just say the giant concrete box you live in is 'adequately heated and cooled and lighted' and not owrry about your inability to grasp scale or energy flow.
Accidents do happen, but lots of the time they involve other people, which will not be a problem in this case.
They also happen because other people are not there, try climbing a tall ladder of installing some fencing on your own.
why would you need humans when you have a boatload of fresh tree elks?
Are you here as a mincraft advert or a extreme solo hunter advert?
So it's not completely unreasonable to assume that it is completely 'impossible' to complete a megaproject alone with their entire life extended to 1000 years and devoted to it 100%.
Are you really comparing people having a hobby of assembling car parts or putting a pc together to digging a vast concrete tunnel twice around the world on your own? Have you ever seen a construction site? An actual one, not a minecraft video.
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Ha, thats a good one, just when I thought you might be some sort of crazy 11 year old minecraft enthusiast with a killing fetish you reveal a bit of humour.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 12:23pm
by aerius
This RAR! sounds familiar somehow. Wait, I think I've got it now!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safehold

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 12:47pm
by Zixinus
Well, there are people out there that build their own basic computers, houses, cars, etc AS A HOBBY, or in their LIMITED spare time. So it's not completely unreasonable to assume that it is completely 'impossible' to complete a megaproject alone with their entire life extended to 1000 years and devoted to it 100%.
Okay, are you seriously arguing with me that people are like player characters in sandbox survival games?

Because, yes, what you are talking about is actually impossible for a real human being and your proposal is ludicrous. You appear to have absolutely no conception just how difficult these mega-projects are. Even if for a Doc Savage-like superman of infinite willpower, the project is practically impossible. Even with the resources to technically make them possible, in practice it is just not going to happen.
You have also not given a reason as to why would anyone even bother doing these things in the first place. Again, you are talking about a real situation with real people. They will not act like they are in a sandbox survival game and build massive pointless things just for fun. Who on Earth are you going to build the tunnel for? Future, visiting aliens? Yourself?

You also have no clear conception what an actual survival situation is like. People are not going to be 100% devoted to anything. Survival is time-consuming and difficult while having no gurantees even when you are well-trained and well-equipped for it. Even survival experts have made mistakes that cost them their lives. Hell, Steve Irwin, who wrestled alligators as a feature of his show, died while making a mistake in a bad judgement about an animal and he was an educated, experienced expert.

Any person in your hypothetical are going to spend most of their time and effort on survival and meeting their needs. The most you can expect in terms of self-education is to the point of trying to keep what technology they have functioning as long as possible, never mind learn how to recreate them from scratch. And all of it will eventually brake down, probably before the first century goes by.
Even if they will have excess by some miracle, they are not going to spend it on a pointless megaproject, but on their own comfort. Building furniture, building better houses, houses on more favorable places, etc are probably the limit of what they will do and will completely tax their ability to do anything.

People that create houses, computers, etc. are not in the wild, do not have to create resources from scratch, do not have to completely self-educate themselves, are not worried about their own survival, are not forcefully isolated from all human contact, are not surrounded by unknown lifeforms, etc. Expecting one person to completely master one or two crafting profession is a very high demand, expecting them to master all crafts for all the technological infrastructure required for your megaproject is ludicrous.
They won't go insane, most of the time in real life people usually don't just 'go insane' because their house got dark, or because they were isolated, or because they have to do some things, or a mixture of all of those.
Actually, they do when they have to do it for very extended amounts of time. Forced isolation for very long times is extremely detrimental to mental health, causing depression which makes suicide favourable. This is well-established in psychology, it is not an accident that solitary confinement is used as a punishment. Having entertainment and pets helps but only to a point. Humans need real people to interact with, even loners interact with people on some level and regularity. A normal person may survive for the short term, but it is up in the air whether they will for years, never mind for centuries.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 01:02pm
by General Zod
I'm so injury prone in real life that telling me to be careful in this sort of environment is kind of like a bad joke. Also op clearly knows nothing about how domesticating wild animals works. You're not going to just domesticate a dinosaur like it was The Flintstones.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 03:33pm
by Zixinus
I think the "correct" way to have been reading his post was to approach it as a puzzle: here is the starting state, here is the goal, how do you do it? How do you go from a guy having a bunch of stuff to making a one-man civilization with modern or higher technology level? I would guess that the poster is too used to people with a similar mindset to realize how ludicrous this scenario is.
I'm so injury prone in real life that telling me to be careful in this sort of environment is kind of like a bad joke.
Even for more careful, experienced people such an environment would be unforgiving and accident-prone. The greatest danger would be not big T-rexes. It would be small but venomous animals like snakes or insects that could ruin you.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 04:12pm
by General Zod
I'd be more worried about the little guys like velociraptor packs.

Re: You get to survive in a snowy forest with a building and supplies.

Posted: 2016-07-26 04:38pm
by Zixinus
General Zod wrote:I'd be more worried about the little guys like velociraptor packs.
I wouldn't. Small animals usually will try to avoid a much taller one and Velociraptors are about knee-high tall. Unless you are sick or injured or they are desperately hungry, they'd probably won't see you as prey and could be scared off.