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I feel ill. Had bad sushi at a sushi train. It is haunting me right now. Temperature, excessive saliva production, and urge to vomit.

That said, gripes about an awesome movie (yes, I fucking loved X-Men 2- so much so that tonight was the second time I saw it.)

1: Once again, we have to put up with fucking "Wolverine and the X-Men" rather than just "the X-Men".

- Wolverine protects the mansion
- Wolverine has the fight at the end with Deathstryker
- Wolverine gets the other not-so-minor kids (Iceman, Rogue and Pyro) out of the mansion and to Iceman's place.
- Wolverine gets to pash Jean Grey
- Wolverine gets to pash Mystique
- Wolverine gets practically all of the humor lines
- FOR FUCK'S SAKE, we even get more Wolverine's reaction to Jean Grey's death (well, not so, X-Men 3: Phoenix but anyway) than we do fucking CYCLOPS! To engage in more fucking gripes on this point, but for fuck's sake, if they handle Phoenix by centering it on that short little clawed cigar chomping smartass once AGAIN, I will raise fucking hell.

2: So, where does that leave the other mutants?

- Storm: she gets a niggling amount of action- the F-16 chase- the rest of her power uses are plot devices
- Jean Grey: a fair amount of telekenisis. No complaints really
- Cyclops: talk about getting fucking short changed. He blasts one guard and deathstryker and then smacks down another guard before getting knocked out by that damn bitch. Hell, the fight could've been a bit longer.
- Pyro: the cop scene was cool
- Colossus: BEST. CAMEO. EVER.
- Iceman: meh. Didn't do that much. Icewall was nice
- Rogue: just there to look nice
- Mystique: fun had by all. A great character, with great scenes
- Magneto: his escape scene made the movie for me
- Nightcrawler: his opening beat em up made the movie for me. Again.
- Professor X: he just sits there and acts like a helpless old idiot

Miscellaneous comment:

Magneto was easily responsible for many thousands of human deaths, and Stryker for many thousands of mutant deaths: think about how much worse off you'd be when Cerebro started attacking everyone if you were

a: in hospital
b: driving a car
c: flying a plane

etc etc etc

Damn sorry to hear bout the bad sushi.

But LMAO(I'm still going to see it) but it looks like the movies have moved faster then the comics into making it WOLVERINE and the X-men.

Still cool synopsis

Yeah, the Cerebro thing must've killed a fair few if they were already ill or doing something that needed concentration.

Update on the bad sushi:

After worshipping the porcelain god, the evil food has been expelled from my system.

I need a drink of ice cold water.

Vympel wrote:Update on the bad sushi:

After worshipping the porcelain god, the evil food has been expelled from my system.

I need a drink of ice cold water.

Its experiecnces like that which keep me the hell away from sushi. In my opinion - fire was invented for a reason...cook your food damnit.

I am going to see it tonight and am looking forward to seeing the X-Men in action again. Singer has really done a FINE job with their movies, he truly seems to understand and love the work. However the Wolvie and X-Men thing can get annoying, its those fucking rabid fanboys that have brought us to this point unfortunately.

Stravo wrote:
Its experiecnces like that which keep me the hell away from sushi. In my opinion - fire was invented for a reason...cook your food damnit.

After that experience I'm inclined to agree with you. I'll remember this for next time ...

I am going to see it tonight and am looking forward to seeing the X-Men in action again. Singer has really done a FINE job with their movies, he truly seems to understand and love the work. However the Wolvie and X-Men thing can get annoying, its those fucking rabid fanboys that have brought us to this point unfortunately.

IMO it's even better than the first. Singer seems to have really gotten more comfortable with his source material and seems to be bathing in the mythos rather than just dipping a toe in- the movie is also so much, well ... bigger.

I never understood the Wolverine fanboyism. Sure, cool charachter, but I'm a Cyclops fan myself, who of course is not popular (why I don't know, some of his stories in the comics were awesome and he was often intricately involved with the fate of the world ...)

Speaking of fanboyism though- still no Gambit! (Watch for cameos though).

Vympel wrote:I feel ill. Had bad sushi at a sushi train. It is haunting me right now. Temperature, excessive saliva production, and urge to vomit.

That said, gripes about an awesome movie (yes, I fucking loved X-Men 2- so much so that tonight was the second time I saw it.)

1: Once again, we have to put up with fucking "Wolverine and the X-Men" rather than just "the X-Men".

- Wolverine protects the mansion
- Wolverine has the fight at the end with Deathstryker
- Wolverine gets the other not-so-minor kids (Iceman, Rogue and Pyro) out of the mansion and to Iceman's place.
- Wolverine gets to pash Jean Grey
- Wolverine gets to pash Mystique
- Wolverine gets practically all of the humor lines
- FOR FUCK'S SAKE, we even get more Wolverine's reaction to Jean Grey's death (well, not so, X-Men 3: Phoenix but anyway) than we do fucking CYCLOPS! To engage in more fucking gripes on this point, but for fuck's sake, if they handle Phoenix by centering it on that short little clawed cigar chomping smartass once AGAIN, I will raise fucking hell.

It was/is clear that the movies are, to an extend, about Wolverine and his quest for himself. After laying the foundation, it was impossible to not have him appear so prominently in X2.
Besides, he's hot

2: So, where does that leave the other mutants?

- Storm: she gets a niggling amount of action- the F-16 chase- the rest of her power uses are plot devices
- Jean Grey: a fair amount of telekenisis. No complaints really
- Cyclops: talk about getting fucking short changed. He blasts one guard and deathstryker and then smacks down another guard before getting knocked out by that damn bitch. Hell, the fight could've been a bit longer.
- Pyro: the cop scene was cool
- Colossus: BEST. CAMEO. EVER.
- Iceman: meh. Didn't do that much. Icewall was nice
- Rogue: just there to look nice
- Mystique: fun had by all. A great character, with great scenes
- Magneto: his escape scene made the movie for me
- Nightcrawler: his opening beat em up made the movie for me. Again.
- Professor X: he just sits there and acts like a helpless old idiot

I have to disagree on the Xavier part. Stewart still plays most of the other actors against the wall, except of course McKEllen, even though he's sitting in a wheel chair. He's one great actor.
I would have wished for a more prolonged Magneto/Xavier scene. Those scenes are just brilliant acting.

Question: Couldn't Iceman have frozen the tidal wave at the end?

2000AD wrote:Question: Couldn't Iceman have frozen the tidal wave at the end?

That's what I thought too, but then his powers are limited.

Dahak wrote: It was/is clear that the movies are, to an extend, about Wolverine and his quest for himself. After laying the foundation, it was impossible to not have him appear so prominently in X2.
Besides, he's hot

The problem is that X3 is going to be about Jean Grey/Phoenix. This should have very little, if anything, to do with Wolverine.

Dammit! No Gambit!

Vympel wrote:
I never understood the Wolverine fanboyism. Sure, cool charachter, but I'm a Cyclops fan myself, who of course is not popular (why I don't know, some of his stories in the comics were awesome and he was often intricately involved with the fate of the world ...)

Never saw the appeal of scott, too much of a boy scout and later a prig. I was a Kitty fan and a Collosus/Kurt fan. the writers actually spent time developing them over time. And wolvie was more a one-note with a tagged on mystery, who was there to kick start other characters or draw in the teenage by fans with the violent attitude always on the boil.

Vympel wrote:Speaking of fanboyism though- still no Gambit! (Watch for cameos though).

Yeah, a whole line on a computer screen, that will satisfy his fans. And who the hell likes Gambit anyway, he's an annoying twat!

Vympel wrote:Update on the bad sushi:

After worshipping the porcelain god, the evil food has been expelled from my system.

I need a drink of ice cold water.

Where did yyou get the sushi from?

aphexmonster wrote:

Where did yyou get the sushi from?

Sushi Train- you know, they have the sushi go round on tracks and you pick up the plate you want?

Rob Wilson wrote:

Vympel wrote:Speaking of fanboyism though- still no Gambit! (Watch for cameos though).

Yeah, a whole line on a computer screen, that will satisfy his fans.:roll: And who the hell likes Gambit anyway, he's an annoying twat!

Hissssss!

Gambit rocks.

I liked Gambit...too bad Pyro wasn't an Aussie.

Still best cameo was Collosus.

And yeah...a little too much Wolvie.

and Cyke was in it for 5 minutes?

Want more Cyke...seriously, he's supposed be a cornerstone of the X-Men, and pfft if we took him out, no real diff.

Ghost Rider wrote:
and Cyke was in it for 5 minutes?

I wouldn't put it that way, he just doesn't get much action. He defends himself against two idiot security guards and blasts deathstryker, but she bounces back after being slammed with the blast and knocks him out. We don't see him again until the end, where he attacks Jean (because he's under control of the bad guy).

Ok, I too will admit that Wolverine was given a bit too much screen time, BUT I was extremely gald to see them let him 'do what he does best'. I mean come on in the first movie it was like watching a Wolverine with a muzzle on, in this one he kills and kills and does so without remorse.

weemadando wrote: Hissssss!

Gambit rocks.

Gambit sucks, he's an arsehole. He's done nothing to earn any real kudo's, just acted like a jerk and an arrogant one at that. In real life, he'd have opened his mouth once, and then had his cards rammed down his throat and helped along with a generous helping of boot!

Vympel wrote:

Ghost Rider wrote:
and Cyke was in it for 5 minutes?

I wouldn't put it that way, he just doesn't get much action. He defends himself against two idiot security guards and blasts deathstryker, but she bounces back after being slammed with the blast and knocks him out. We don't see him again until the end, where he attacks Jean (because he's under control of the bad guy).

Thats the annoying thing, they finally show us how good Cyke can be and why he should be a team leader we respect... and then remove him from the rest of the film I may not like the character of Cyke in the comics or film, but the guy can do the business when needed and that sidelining was a real case of ripping the carpet out from under him.

It wasn't even like he had to try hard either, just bam, bam , bam and the job was done, no flash stuff, no rushed movement, just sheer competency, and then... he gets cold-cocked

Rob Wilson wrote:
Thats the annoying thing, they finally show us how good Cyke can be and why he should be a team leader we respect... and then remove him from the rest of the film I may not like the character of Cyke in the comics or film, but the guy can do the business when needed and that sidelining was a real case of ripping the carpet out from under him.

It wasn't even like he had to try hard either, just bam, bam , bam and the job was done, no flash stuff, no rushed movement, just sheer competency, and then... he gets cold-cocked

Unfortunatly...seriously I hope his role is larger as a team leader(they resolved Jean/Scott/Logan thing quickly)...so honestly have him be team leader.

Ghost Rider wrote:

Rob Wilson wrote:
Thats the annoying thing, they finally show us how good Cyke can be and why he should be a team leader we respect... and then remove him from the rest of the film I may not like the character of Cyke in the comics or film, but the guy can do the business when needed and that sidelining was a real case of ripping the carpet out from under him.

It wasn't even like he had to try hard either, just bam, bam , bam and the job was done, no flash stuff, no rushed movement, just sheer competency, and then... he gets cold-cocked

Unfortunatly...seriously I hope his role is larger as a team leader(they resolved Jean/Scott/Logan thing quickly)...so honestly have him be team leader.

Hopefully, X3 will give him a biger showing... along with Kitty... and Jubilee, and Beast, and Psylocke, and Peter, and did I mention Kitty?

KITTY!

Vympel wrote:

aphexmonster wrote:

Where did yyou get the sushi from?

Sushi Train- you know, they have the sushi go round on tracks and you pick up the plate you want?

That place is cool... my ex fiance hella liked to go to this place where the sushi revolved around on boats in a little stream that went around a table ... ( Duke 3D style xD if you remember ) Nice little place though...

HemlockGrey wrote:Dammit! No Gambit!

He'll find a way into X:3...there's no way they can keep a popular character like Gambit out for much longer.