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Micro$oft May Be Fined

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:18pm
by Admiral Valdemar
$2.2 trillion.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/910975.asp?0cv=CB10
Software giant fixes flaw, could face massive penalty


ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON, May 8 - A computer researcher in Pakistan discovered how to breach Microsoft Corp.'s security procedures for its popular Internet Passport service, designed to protect customers visiting some retail Web sites, sending e-mails and in some cases making credit-card purchases.
MICROSOFT ACKNOWLEDGED THE flaw affected all its 200 million Passport accounts but said it fixed the problem early Thursday, after details were published on the Internet. Product Manager Adam Sohn said the company was unaware of hackers actually hijacking anyone’s Passport account, but several experts said they successfully tested the procedure overnight.
In theory, Microsoft could face a staggering fine by U.S. regulators of up to $2.2 trillion. Under a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission last year over lapsed Passport security, Microsoft pledged to take reasonable safeguards to protect personal consumer information during the next two decades or risk fines up to $11,000 per violation.
The FTC said it was investigating this latest lapse. The agencys assistant director for financial practices, Jessica Rich, said Thursday that each vulnerable account could constitute a separate violation - raising the maximum fine that could be assessed against Microsoft to $2.2 trillion.
If we were to find that they didnt take reasonable safeguards to protect the information, that could be an order violation, Rich said.
The researcher, Muhammad Faisal Rauf Danka, determined that by typing a specific Web address that included the phrase emailpwdreset, he could seize any person’s Passport account and change the password associated with it.
Danka, who described himself as a private security consultant, said he discovered the flaw after Passport accounts belonging to him and a friend both were hijacked repeatedly. He made certain no one had hacked his own computer, then checked the security for the Microsoft Web site that controlled Passport accounts.
Danka said he discovered the vulnerability about four minutes after he began searching in earnest.
It was so simple to do it. It shouldnt have been so simple, Danka told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Karachi. Anyone could have done this.
Sohn acknowledged Microsoft should have been rejecting such transmissions from anywhere outside the companys own network. Microsoft shut down the affected Web address late Wednesday night, more than one hour after details were published on the Internet. Those filters were permanently set in place early Thursday, Sohn said.
We didnt validate the input, Sohn said. We allowed somebody external to do something only the system itself should be doing. Somebody plumbed around ... and figured out they could do this.
Services such as Passport promise consumers a single, convenient method for identifying themselves across different Web sites, encouraging convenient purchases online of movies, music, travel and banking services.
Passport, which is closely tied to Microsoft’s flagship Windows XP software, is integral to its most important upcoming technology services. Dozens of retail Web sites use it already, and Passport controls access for Windows users to the free Hotmail service and instant-messaging accounts.
Using Passport, consumers could entrust Microsoft or other organizations to centrally hold their personal information - such as credit card numbers or medical records - and make it available whenever needed.
The FTC last year determined that Microsoft made deceptive claims and misrepresented the security surrounding the design and use of Passport. The FTC found that Microsoft exaggerated promises about its safety.
The FTC needs to investigate and aggressively enforce the settlement, said David Sobel, a lawyer for the Washington-based Electronic Privacy Information Center. Its an important test of the government’s ability to ensure real security in the handling of personal information. There needs to be consequences for security flaws.
Sobel’s privacy group was among those that had made formal complaints about Passport, which led to the FTC settlement.
If the passport office of any nation in the world had a security record like Microsofts, no immigration officer would accept their passports, said Jason Catlett, head of Junkbusters Corp., a New Jersey-based privacy organization that also had complained to the FTC.

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:25pm
by Dalton
:lol: :lol:

Microsoft's screwups come back to bite them in the ass.

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:30pm
by Crayz9000
Next step: force Microsoft into Chapter 11.

Well, there's only a slim chance of that happening, but I'm all for it...

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:31pm
by Sea Skimmer
I think Microsoft just solved part of the US Federal deficit. Too bad they're unlikely to have to cough up more then a few million.

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:32pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Microsoft should change its motto to, "Microsoft: We're More Secure Than a Homophobic Guy at a Gay Rights Rally."

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:33pm
by Enforcer Talen
. . .wow. that could jump start, say, africa.

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:35pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Enforcer Talen wrote:. . .wow. that could jump start, say, africa.
Fuck Africa, I have student loans to pay, that money doesn't grow on trees, y'know. Well okay, maybe it does, but we're digital now.

Then I can finally get that second-hand GeForce 3 I always wanted.

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:36pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Today is a Good Day to be a Linux G0d.

*is not a Linux g0d yet, although I wouldn't mind getting Win2K GNU-GPLed :shock: :twisted: *drool*

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:37pm
by Einhander Sn0m4n
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Microsoft should change its motto to, "Microsoft: We're More Secure Than a Homophobic Guy at a Gay Rights Rally."
:twisted:

Make that a 'Gay Gun-Owners' Rally'... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:38pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:Microsoft should change its motto to, "Microsoft: We're More Secure Than a Homophobic Guy at a Gay Rights Rally."
:twisted:

Make that a 'Gay Gun-Owners' Rally'... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Sure thing, chief. :P

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:47pm
by Enforcer Talen
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:. . .wow. that could jump start, say, africa.
Fuck Africa, I have student loans to pay, that money doesn't grow on trees, y'know. Well okay, maybe it does, but we're digital now.

Then I can finally get that second-hand GeForce 3 I always wanted.
africa made first world means much more economy to thrive - more money to you!

Posted: 2003-05-08 05:58pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Enforcer Talen wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:. . .wow. that could jump start, say, africa.
Fuck Africa, I have student loans to pay, that money doesn't grow on trees, y'know. Well okay, maybe it does, but we're digital now.

Then I can finally get that second-hand GeForce 3 I always wanted.
africa made first world means much more economy to thrive - more money to you!
Pfft, they'd only waste it on Nigeria scam emails.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:09pm
by Joe
That is by far the most ridiculous number I've ever heard. How the hell is a company worth no more than $200-$250 billion going to pay the equivalent of a year's worth of federal government revenue?

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:14pm
by Crayz9000
Durran Korr wrote:That is by far the most ridiculous number I've ever heard. How the hell is a company worth no more than $200-$250 billion going to pay the equivalent of a year's worth of federal government revenue?
That's irrelevant :twisted:

That is the maximum fine, anyway; $11,000 damages per person compromised, times all 200 million Passport users... yields $2,200,000,000,000 in damages, or 2.2 trillion.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:14pm
by Yogi
Are there limits to how much one can fine a company or individual? Can they theoretically fine Micro$oft a ludicrous amount, then leave it to pay it back over the next couple hundreds of years, or can a fine not bankrupt an individual?

If not, then the Federal Government just solved its national debt problem.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:16pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Durran Korr wrote:That is by far the most ridiculous number I've ever heard. How the hell is a company worth no more than $200-$250 billion going to pay the equivalent of a year's worth of federal government revenue?
You obviously don't recall the time British Gas charged someone several times what the US GDP in a year was for a months gas.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:17pm
by Enforcer Talen
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: Fuck Africa, I have student loans to pay, that money doesn't grow on trees, y'know. Well okay, maybe it does, but we're digital now.

Then I can finally get that second-hand GeForce 3 I always wanted.
africa made first world means much more economy to thrive - more money to you!
Pfft, they'd only waste it on Nigeria scam emails.
so go in, set up shop, and then set up the economy.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:22pm
by Admiral Valdemar
Enforcer Talen wrote: so go in, set up shop, and then set up the economy.
I'd rather blow it all on pr0n.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:34pm
by EmperorMing
For one thing, this is one reason why I have nto setup a passport account; second, I would really like to know how much of this fine MS is really gonna pay...

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:41pm
by Joe
Besides, there's no way 200 million folks could have been affected by this. Individuals would likely have to prove that they suffered some kind of monetary loss on account of the problem to receive the money.

Posted: 2003-05-08 06:55pm
by Andrew J.
Durran, this could mean the end of Microsoft. Think about it: no more Windows, no more illegal monopolizing, no more trying to make Linux (and open-source software in general) illegal, and mo Palladium whatsoever. Does it real matter why they get shot down?

Posted: 2003-05-08 07:00pm
by Joe
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the ridiculous 2.2 trillion dollar figure with no basis in reality that some FTC wanker pulled out of his ass.

Posted: 2003-05-08 08:19pm
by neoolong
Hmm, should I be shocked, happy, angry, sad, or apathetic? I guess I'll stick with apathetic.

Posted: 2003-05-08 08:23pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
They're probably going to find some way to weasel out of it with their influence. I hope that they stop trying to control all PC use, where they can make people use glitchy OSs.

Posted: 2003-05-08 08:25pm
by SirNitram
Durran Korr wrote:I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the ridiculous 2.2 trillion dollar figure with no basis in reality that some FTC wanker pulled out of his ass.
The 'ridiculous' fine amount which 'has no basis in reality' is merely applying the maximum fine possible to the number of possible violations. It has every basis in reality, as it clearly establishes the maximum limit the FTC can push this.