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and why?

Never read the giver

Most of the others I would be dead already....

Enforcer Talen wrote:and why?

How 'bout "None Of The Above?"

1984 because I've read that one and seen it on TV and watched only "Clockwork Orange" besides that.. 1984 is only *just* less gross to me than Clockwork Orange, but don't ask me how that works, cos I really don't know.

I'd rather kill myself.

Id choose 1984, cuz I can lie with a straight face. of course big brother loves me.

if I couldnt take that, Id go with clockwork orange. gratituious violence suits my sense of humour.

Enforcer Talen wrote:Id choose 1984, cuz I can lie with a straight face. of course big brother loves me.

I'm afraid it's not that simple, Talen.

. . .really? how so?

Isn't Clockwork Orange just the real world?

2000AD wrote:Isn't Clockwork Orange just the real world?

God, no.. They don't implement those torture devices in real life..

Talen - look at all the fucked up-ness in Clockwork Orange. Room 101 in 1984. I don't know about the rest.

Enforcer Talen wrote:. . .really? how so?

First of all, you wouldn't have to ask that if you really understood the book, not just have read it.

The Party is virtually at the level of mind control, and they're getting closer. They will eventually find you, and you will be sent to Room 101, and you will be killed at the end. That is what always happens to people who don't love Big Brother.

room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.
clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

Enforcer Talen wrote:clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

The movie or the book? Because they're not the same.

Enforcer Talen wrote:room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.

Room 101 is if you fuck up. Period.

clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

If you fuck up, you get put int hat machine thing that replays things over and over. (Been a while since I've seen it)

They're all about mind control.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Enforcer Talen wrote:clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

The movie or the book? Because they're not the same.

either -shrugs-

verilon wrote:

Enforcer Talen wrote:room 101 is only if you dont toe the party line.

Room 101 is if you fuck up. Period.

true enough.

clockwork orange looks like your typical debauchery.

If you fuck up, you get put int hat machine thing that replays things over and over. (Been a while since I've seen it)

They're all about mind control.

yep. which is why they are in the same topic.
so dont get caught and dont kill anyone. security seems amazingly lax.

Actually, the reprogramming machine was an experiment. Alex was the first test subject.

But again, don't go by the movie. It ignores quite a few things, like the fact that Alex is only 15 and that the two girls he rapes at one point are both 10.

And in 1984, you WILL get caught. You will ALWAYS get caught. They always find out.

about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Enforcer Talen wrote:yep. which is why they are in the same topic.
so dont get caught and dont kill anyone. security seems amazingly lax.

No, it doesn't have to be killing someone to fuck up (at least in 1984). Basically you fuck up in any way and get caught, you get punished.

And like Spanky the Dolphin said ~ you fuck up, you get caught. There is no way around it. What do you think the telescreens are everywhere for? In the book, when the guy fucks the girl, the old man in the store downstairs knew there was a telescreen behind the picture in the room, but said nothing in that direction. YOU GET CAUGHT IF YOU FUCK UP.

Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...

The giver, assuming I can bring a few things from home. Nothing major, just an AK-47 and a shotgun along with ammo.

verilon wrote:

Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...

I'm getting the feeling that Talen has only seen the movies/read the books without truly understanding their contents or meanings. How superficial.

At least he's not talking about Fahrenheit 451. Utsanomiko would tear him a new one before he could get halfway through his misinterpretation.

-shrugs- been a yr since I read either of them. 1984 is in the mail.

and, very, the killing thing was referring to clockwork orange. I dunno how it would go over in 1984.
about the inner party, what is your point, exactly?

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

verilon wrote:

Enforcer Talen wrote:about clockwork orange, indeed.

about 1984. . . someone has to be doing the catching. I might try my hand at that.

Even those in the Inner Party can fuck up, my friend. You're not seeing the point...

I'm getting the feeling that Talen has only seen the movies/read the books without truly understanding their contents or meanings. How superficial.

Well, I read 1984 three years ago, and my favorite part was the excerpt from The Book. The movie I didn't like so much. A Clockwork Orange, I have yet to read the book, but I'd like to.

At least he's not talking about Fahrenheit 451. Utsanomiko would tear him a new one before he could get halfway through his misinterpretation.

This one, I have no idea what it's about, and I'd also like to read this one.. And the others on the list, as well, as 1984 is the only book of these that I have read.

Enforcer Talen wrote:-shrugs- been a yr since I read either of them. 1984 is in the mail.

and, very, the killing thing was referring to clockwork orange. I dunno how it would go over in 1984.
about the inner party, what is your point, exactly?

First of, it's not "very." Second, about the Inner Party ~ whether you are Inner Party, Outer Party or prole, you get caught if you do something wrong. If it's bad enogh (which is likely to be anything), you get put in Room 101. Or threatened with it, at the very least, from my understanding of it.