Web page building

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-19 01:27pm

Okay, just as a random thought..

Do you prefer graphical editing (such as on DreamWeaver) or strict coding to do web pages? Personally, I dislike using graphical editors to do my web pages, and I tend to stick to strict coding, no matter how tedious it gets, sometimes. You?

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-05-19 02:00pm

graphical programs such as Dreamweaver or FrontPage put too much extraneous CRAP in the code. It's really annoying to try and fix someone's page that was done previously in one of those programs. I just need to find one little thing and can't find it for all the JUNK.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-19 02:07pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:graphical programs such as Dreamweaver or FrontPage put too much extraneous CRAP in the code. It's really annoying to try and fix someone's page that was done previously in one of those programs. I just need to find one little thing and can't find it for all the JUNK.

Well, editing it is HELL, for most people. But as for BUILDING, I definitely prefer using strict code.. Besides, it makes it easier for other users.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-05-19 02:08pm

I learnt how to build on a tutorial, and then used FirstPagePlus to do what I wanted, fortunately, I knew what I wanted in terms of design and had already made a conscious decision about style and content, so in the end, all the extra bits and pieces went unused and the only buttons I used were the ones that inserted the relevant bits of code in for me when I couldnt be bothered to type. I still dont think I could design a website from scratch on the spur of the moment, but if I had an example on hand to remind about missing code etc, then I reckon I might be able to do it.

Starscream · Post by **Starscream** » 2003-05-19 02:08pm

To me, just making the site yourself is easier than using tools. FrontPage is confusing.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-05-19 02:11pm

verilon wrote: Well, editing it is HELL, for most people. But as for BUILDING, I definitely prefer using strict code.. Besides, it makes it easier for other users.

Well, would you want to have to go back and edit something you wrote and can't find what needs to be edited because of that reason?

Yes, straight code for me.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-19 02:11pm

I learned how to build web pages using Angelfire tutorials, and I keep my HTML and JavaScript books handy. I can build a simple web page on the spur of the moment, but there are things that I don't remember right away and would need example code to work off of.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-05-19 02:24pm

I usually like to outline designs in Dreamweaver and then clean it up into pure, clean XHTML.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-05-19 02:41pm

I use WYSIWYG to do the design, so I can see what it looks like, then I write the code from scratch.

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-05-19 02:41pm

I learned just by looking at sources. Though that was years ago, and I'm all out of practice now. I've never used any editor program of any kind, so I prefer doing it by hand.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-05-19 02:58pm

I've been doing webpages for 7-8 years now. I learned from looking at code mostly. My problem is design. I never have any good ideas.

BrYaN19kc · Post by **BrYaN19kc** » 2003-05-19 03:06pm

I still code on occasion. At work, it is much speedier for me to pull up Dreamweaver MX to do quick edits and especially problems with database conenctions.

The last thing I want to do is wast time on pages such as the class catalogue for our university. I update it in Dreamweaver MX. Mostly because I didn't design the pages and they are all ready full of junk code.

I will code if I am designing from scratch, but if I'm working on someone elses pages or database connections, I use Dreamweaver MX.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-05-19 03:10pm

Bah, the internet is a fad. It'll all blow over in a month or two. You'll see.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-05-19 03:14pm

I remember my first site, never went anywhere, was done in Publisher and was massive, I cringe when I think of it now, it was one of those awful cliched kids 'this is me, this is who I am, this is what I like, these are my downloads' thing. Awful. I think there were only about 4 pages of stuff that was really me in all of that, and they were the surreal pages about Lettuce Civil Wars and the four norsemen of the apocalypse. I started another one a while back, again, didnt go anywhere, had a good start off, but I started making it before I knew where to take it or what was going to happen, hence, it failed. The one I did recently had its content written first, foremost and the style and website came only when the content was in near completion.

Sounds simple, I know, but it took me two crap and cliched websites to realise it...

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-19 04:47pm

Notepad, baby. All Notepad.

Lord MJ · Post by **Lord MJ** » 2003-05-19 06:22pm

Last time I checked Dreamweaver produced near perfect HTML with out any of the extra crap. Can't say the same about Frontpage though.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-19 06:26pm

I'm using mozilla for now, because I just got back into web page design after a three-year hiatus.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-19 06:30pm

Pure code only.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-05-19 06:34pm

The last time I did any web designing was with Dreamweaver MX.

Striderteen · Post by **Striderteen** » 2003-05-19 08:09pm

100% standards-compliant hand-written HTML code for me.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-19 08:10pm

I use OpenOffice and then alter the code by hand afterwards. It makes reasonably clean code if you don't mess around too much with fancy formatting while you're composing.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-05-19 08:52pm

I use a good mix of Dreamweaver and pure coding.......been using DW for about 5 years now...never experienced "junk coding".

BrYaN19kc · Post by **BrYaN19kc** » 2003-05-19 09:23pm

Damaramu wrote:I use a good mix of Dreamweaver and pure coding.......been using DW for about 5 years now...never experienced "junk coding".

Do you like Dreamweaver MX over Dreamweaver with UltraDev?

I like MX real well, but it seems to get a little sluggish sometims.

Damaramu · Post by **Damaramu** » 2003-05-19 10:29pm

Well, I'm using DW4 at the moment...haven't tried DWmx yet....but I'm not in such a hurry to upgrade just yet.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-05-19 11:54pm

Jeez, does anyone here use doctypes when handcoding other than me? Ugh. Also nearly everyone is missing <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=[insert appropriate charset]">. Almost nothing is standards compliant

I learned how to build web pages using Angelfire tutorials, and I keep my HTML and JavaScript books handy. I can build a simple web page on the spur of the moment, but there are things that I don't remember right away and would need example code to work off of.

I used the W3C references. Also a good place to copy and paste doctypes out of, since they are difficult to remember.

Anyone know of a good web host that inserts only (x)html strict compliant ad code?

Also HTML tidy from tidy.sf.net is nice for cleaning shit code.

For editing, I use SciTE from www.scintilla.org, which is a pretty nice editor that also does JS and Java. Doesn't highlight embedded CSS though- treats it like a comment or plain text.

How heavily do you people use CSS?

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