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So, who came first?
Posted: 2003-05-20 11:19pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
What do you think the answer is to the age-old question: Which came first: The chicken or the egg?
Posted: 2003-05-20 11:20pm
by Joe
The egg was laid by an animal resembling the modern chicken nearly perfectly. Out of that egg came what we know as the chicken.
The egg came first.
Posted: 2003-05-20 11:26pm
by Thirdfain
What he said. It was a great moment of my young life when I came to that conclusion by myself.
Posted: 2003-05-21 12:39am
by Alyrium Denryle
technically speaking, reptiles have been laying shelled eggs since long before the chicken(or any bird) came into existence.
Posted: 2003-05-21 12:47am
by Kuja
I ate them both. *burp*
Posted: 2003-05-21 01:10am
by neoolong
Egg stuffed chicken. A delightful dish.
Posted: 2003-05-21 01:33am
by Raxmei
Every time I see the title of this thread, the phrase "she did" comes to mind. Sad, really. I don't even have a girlfriend.
Posted: 2003-05-21 01:43am
by Sr.mal
What came first? What they evolved from.
Posted: 2003-05-21 01:59am
by Starscream
Raxmei wrote:Every time I see the title of this thread, the phrase "she did" comes to mind. Sad, really. I don't even have a girlfriend.
You must be a virgin to, the female orgasm is a myth perpetuated by the porn industry.
Posted: 2003-05-21 02:24am
by Lord of the Farce
Where did the chicken come from? The egg.
Where did the egg come from? The precursor species to the chickens, of course.
Posted: 2003-05-21 02:41am
by Sriad
Neither.
There is no "chicken," no "egg," ONLY ZUUL!!!
Posted: 2003-05-21 02:44am
by Einhander Sn0m4n
There is no chicken. There is no egg. Just like:
THERE IS NO SPOON!
There is only the Matrix...
Posted: 2003-05-21 02:50am
by neoolong
No. You will all bow before Zod.
Posted: 2003-05-21 03:16am
by Sriad
neoolong wrote:No. You will all bow before Zod.
Hah, that's what you think!
I'll kneel before Zod!
Posted: 2003-05-21 03:35am
by neoolong
Sriad wrote:neoolong wrote:No. You will all bow before Zod.
Hah, that's what you think!
I'll kneel before Zod!
Zod likes having his followers bow before him now.
And, why do you say this to me when you know I will kill you for it?
Posted: 2003-05-21 03:40am
by Drooling Iguana
Eggs are a breakfast food.
Chicken is more typically eaten with lunch and supper.
Therefore, the egg comes first.
Posted: 2003-05-21 04:11am
by aphexmonster
If i were one to belive in the " bible, ' and was one to belive in the " God," I would have to belive that he created the chicken as well to lay the egg at some point in the timeline. However, i choose not to follow either, but the chicken comming first just makes more sense. Perhaps something like it came and layed an egg that spawned a chicken... thats my two sense.
Posted: 2003-05-21 04:25am
by Hethrir
I say God created the Chicken. But either way, the egg needed a chicken of some sort to lay it.
Posted: 2003-05-21 05:14am
by Lord of the Farce
Hethrir wrote:But either way, the egg needed a chicken of some sort to lay it.
Nobody specified whether it was a chicken egg or not. Obviously, one does not actually need a chicken to get an egg, but you need an egg for a chicken to hatch from!
Posted: 2003-05-21 06:18am
by The Third Man
We could refine the question and ask 'Which came first the chicken or the chicken-egg?"
And we'd then have to define what we mean by 'chicken'. Assuming an evolutionary origin for the domestic chicken, we could imagine tracing its ancestors back, Eventually we'd come to a point were mother not-quite-chicken and father not-quite-chicken got together and produced something that satisified our criteria and was a chicken. This would be the first chicken. Call it Chicken-prime.
Now the question becomes - is the egg that Chicken-prime hatched from a chicken-egg? Again this comes down to definitions. I guess we'd define a chicken-egg as being 'an egg laid by a chicken' As the egg from which chicken-prime hatched could not possibly be a chicken-egg, there being no previously-existing chicken to produce it, we can conclude that the chicken existed before the chicken-egg.
However, it could be argued the other way, if we defined a chicken egg as 'any egg that contains what we define genetically as a chicken, regardless of the source of the egg'. This way, egg comes first.
To make a choice between these two alternatives, I'm let down by my lack of knowledge about eggs. Specifically, do the non-embryo parts of an egg (shell, albumen, yolk etc) contain genetic material from the mother? If they do, then we have a much stronger DNA-based definition for the chicken-eggness of any given egg. Since the egg containing chicken-prime would contain the DNA of mother-not-quite-chicken, we can say that it is not a chicken-egg, and again the answer is that the chicken came first.
Posted: 2003-05-21 07:16am
by HemlockGrey
It was a great moment of my young life when I came to that conclusion by myself.
Same here.
Posted: 2003-05-21 09:20am
by RogueIce
Drooling Iguana wrote:Eggs are a breakfast food.
Chicken is more typically eaten with lunch and supper.
Therefore, the egg comes first.
In my current state of hunger, I'm more inclined to believe in this one...
Posted: 2003-05-21 09:30am
by Sea Skimmer
The egg came first.
Posted: 2003-05-21 09:38am
by Admiral Valdemar
Abiogenesis came first.
Posted: 2003-05-21 09:40am
by Joe
We could refine the question and ask 'Which came first the chicken or the chicken-egg?"
Infinite regress. No point.