Will Bush be assassinated/die (or close to it) while Pres?

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

What do you think, even though its pure speculation....

(from snopes.com)
Legend: A death curse threatens U.S. Presidents elected in years evenly divisible by twenty.
Origins: With one exception, since 1840, U.S. Presidents who have been elected in years ending in zero have been killed or have died of natural causes while in office. And the one exception literally came within an inch of death.

It's hard to know what to make of such a sequence, but folks have certainly tried over the years. Such a string of presidential mortality is deemed too improbable to have occurred naturally, giving rise to rumors about a fatal Indian curse among those unwilling to recognize that chaos sometimes takes the form of coincidence. Randomness is disquieting; Indian curses are, in comparison, the lesser of the evils because they at least support the illusion that there is order in our universe. In an odd way, belief in Indian curses is comforting.



Died Under the "Curse"
1840 ... William Henry Harrison
1860 ... Abraham Lincoln
1880 ... James A. Garfield
1900 ... William McKinley
1920 ... Warren G. Harding
1940 ... Franklin D. Roosevelt
1960 ... John F. Kennedy




William Henry Harrison, who was elected in 1840, died at the age of 68 after delivering his inaugural address unprotected by an overcoat on a cold, drizzly day. Harrison spoke for an hour and 40 minutes, became ill, and died of pneumonia exactly one month later in April 1841.

Abraham Lincoln, first elected in 1860, was assassinated just after embarking on his second term in office in 1865.

James A. Garfield won the 1880 election. He was shot in the back in a Washington railroad station waiting room in July 1881 and died of his wounds in September 1881.

William McKinley was re-elected in 1900. In September 1901, after giving a speech at an exposition in Buffalo, he was shot while shaking hands with wellwishers. McKinley died of his wounds a little more than a week later.

Warren G. Harding, elected in 1920, expired of a stroke or heart attack in 1923. It was long rumored his wife had poisoned him.

Elected to an unprecedented third term in 1940, Franklin D. Roosevelt, suffered a massive cerebral hemorrhage and died just after having started an equally unprecedented fourth term in 1945.

John F. Kennedy was elected in 1960 and assassinated in 1963.

Ronald Reagan was elected in 1980 but managed to cheat the Grim Reaper by a matter of an inch, the distance by which a would-be assassin's bullet missed his heart in 1981.

Maybe Reagan also broke the "every 20 years" curse. Or maybe it's just sleeping.

Those who look to make sense of eerie coincidences have come up with an explanation to account for this string of deaths: an ancient Indian curse, supposedly administered by Tecumseh himself after suffering defeat at the hands in William Henry Harrison at the Battle of Tippecanoe in 1811. (Tecumseh died in the 1813 Battle of the Thames, again fighting troops led by Harrison.) According to lore, the famed Indian chief cursed the Great White Fathers. No explanation is given for why the chief's curse would only affect one presidency in five, but one cannot, after all, expect the fanciful to cover everything.

Another version attributes the curse to Tenskwatawa (also known as "The Prophet"), a Shawnee medicine man who was half-brother to Tecumseh. The hex was supposedly his revenge for the death of his half-brother.

"Harrison will die I tell you," the Prophet reportedly said. "And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of my people."

Stirring words indeed, but there's no reason to suppose they were actually uttered. No record of either Tecumseh or Tenskwatawa laying a whammy on American presidents has yet surfaced -- it's all undocumented folktale at this point and is as likely just someone's imaginative backstory to the inexplicable as it is anything else.

Folks have been taking note of this string of presidential deaths for quite some time now -- it's not a new snippet of spooky information recently dropped into the lap of the American people. A Ripley's Believe It or Not book published in 1934 noted the coincidental twenty-year pattern of presidential deaths between 1840 and 1920, with question marks in place of a name for the upcoming 1940 entry indicating the presumption of a continuing pattern. The pattern did, of course, hold true again when Franklin Roosevelt, who had been re-elected in 1940, filled in that blank by dying in office in 1945.

As to what to make of the "curse," it's interesting to note that since 1840, only one President besides those supposedly felled by this ill-wishing has died in office: Zachary Taylor, who was elected in 1848 and died in 1850 of a stomach ailment. (Taylor's body was exhumed in 1991 to investigate a theory that he had been poisoned with arsenic, but the results were negative). Also interesting is the notion that the curse is a prescient one, as two Presidents who won elections in years ending in '0' -- Lincoln and Roosevelt -- did not die until after beginning subsequent terms in office. Apparently the curse foresaw re-election for both of them.

The key to all this presidential demising possibly lies more within the realm of the stars than the rumored words of a dead Indian chief. Or at least so the astrologers would have us believe. According to Mark Dodich, an astrologer who has attempted to analyze the Curse of Tecumseh, the reason behind this force is one of "cosmic coincidence," not native American hexing. Dodich claims the curse's effects overlap with the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn, whose orbits have lined up every twenty years.

The 20-year pattern's one failure -- Reagan -- is explained by the sign the alignment of these two planets occurred under. Alignments under the earth signs (Taurus, Capricorn, and Virgo) have led to dead Presidents, but Reagan's term occurred under an air sign, accounting for his survival.

According to Dodich, year 2000's Jupiter-Saturn twinning once again occurs under the earth sign of Taurus, a phenomenon he says won't happen again for another 600 years. It thus marks the end of a deadly cycle. And if Dodich is right about this curse thing, it will sound the death knell for another President.

[Joe]

Coincidence, of course.

[Darth Yoshi]

Mmm...pretzels...

Seriously, coincidence.

[Sea Skimmer]

A coincidence. You can find all sorts of patterns when your selective in your data.

[Raxmei]

Remember the pretzel? The curse's last gasp. These things tend to get weaker over time, you see.


(joking of course)

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Coincidence. Fate doesn't work like that.

[Sokar]

Coincidence, an errie, and more than a bit scary coincidence, but a coincidence none the less.

If Bush is felled eiether through accident/illness or by an assassins bullet/nuke/olive fork ect.....all my bets are off....

[neoolong]

Then again, if some crackpot reads it he might make it happen to follow the pattern...

[Sokar]

Thing is , if someone truly wants the President dead, and has the means and skills to pull it off, ole George is a deadman. Unless the Secret Service locked the President in an armored room for his entire term, its impossible to completley shield him 100%, especially aginst a lone gunman who dosen't care that he won't survive the assassination.(SS's continual nightmare scenario)

The prime example is the '81 attempt on Ronald Regan, there was no warning of any kind, until someone started shooting and had Hinkleys(IIRC) aim been a bit better, Ronnie Raygun would have bought it right then and there.

So we'll see, especially once the Pres starts campagning hard for '04, and hes out in the public a bit more.

[Stormbringer]

Guys, not to spoil a discussion but be damn careful about what you say in this thread.

[Sokar]

True, if taken out of context this could get us in a bit o' trouble.....

Dear Secret Service Agents,
If you are reading this thread, none of us are advocating or wishing the President harm in any way. Please do not toss our homes and/or abuse out pets, it makes them so upset.
Have a nice day
Sokar

[Gandalf]

Then again, if some crackpot reads it he might make it happen to follow the pattern...

I'm already on my way...

[Darth Gojira]

President Cheney!? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!
I want Jr to get shot, but the thought of a President Cheney......brrrr.

[Queeb Salaron]

Then again, if some crackpot reads it he might make it happen to follow the pattern...

Damn, they're onto me...

[theski]

Careful what you write.... You never know who might knock at your door and give you a cavity search..

[Enforcer Talen]

more importantly, will ashcroft be assassinated.

and, no, Im not advocating it.

I hate speaking for the watchers

[Faram]

Guys, not to spoil a discussion but be damn careful about what you say in this thread.

Careful what you write.... You never know who might knock at your door and give you a cavity search..

To bad that American mentality have gone this far...

Not accusing you guys of anythin but it is a sad state of affairs when a note like that might be needed...

[Col. Crackpot]

Then again, if some crackpot reads it he might make it happen to follow the pattern...

on behalf of crackpots everywhere i'd like to lodge a formal complaint!
oh, and mr. secret service agent, might i point out that i have been a loyal republican since 1994

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

The twenty year curse has already hit Bush, with the pretzel he choked on. It seems to be losing it. It was doing well until after it failed to kill Reagan. It probably went into a state of depression and just isn't trying

Seriously, it's coincidence.

[Coyote]

I'm sure, by reading the thread, that the context is obvious, we're certainly not the first to speculate about the "curse". I remmeber reading about it in the 80's as a teenager.

And remember, folks, we're small potatoes. Think about all the Kennedy conspiracy sites, the X-Files fan sites, the whacko conspiracy groups and so on that a monitor like Echelon will pick up... a thread like this will be flagged, marked, in a week or two it will be read, and it'll be filed in the 'dead letter' section as a non-event. It is all too obvious.

[neoolong]

I'm sure, by reading the thread, that the context is obvious, we're certainly not the first to speculate about the "curse". I remmeber reading about it in the 80's as a teenager.

And remember, folks, we're small potatoes. Think about all the Kennedy conspiracy sites, the X-Files fan sites, the whacko conspiracy groups and so on that a monitor like Echelon will pick up... a thread like this will be flagged, marked, in a week or two it will be read, and it'll be filed in the 'dead letter' section as a non-event. It is all too obvious.

And how do you know so much about how the government works? It's a conspiracy I say. A conspiracy.

[BlkbrryTheGreat]

The twenty year curse has already hit Bush, with the pretzel he choked on. It seems to be losing it. It was doing well until after it failed to kill Reagan. It probably went into a state of depression and just isn't trying

Seriously, it's coincidence.

That or it decided to "kill" him through Alzheimers...

[Admiral Valdemar]

I think this thread will keep ECHELON busy for a few hours at least, oh wait, that thing doesn't exist. My mistake.

Anyway, coincidence.

[kojikun]

Echelon does exist in the UK and, according to the UKGov, in the US too. Hee.

And on topic, I wouldn't be weeping at his grave if Bush got shot, but him being out of office is the main goal. Personally, killing him is a bit extreme, murdering a man to get him out of office is too much, especially since its not a popular decision.

I'm voting to kick him out of office in 2004 so I don't worry much. But if he does certain things for the space program, he will get my vote.. Odd as that sounds.

[Coyote]

And how do you know so much about how the government works? It's a conspiracy I say. A conspiracy.

Who told you to say that?

(puts on dark glasses)
"See here Mister Anderson..."