Got Four Million?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-05-31 06:23pm

http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/det ... mber=BOP12

Built by Swan Hunter & Wigham Richardson Limited England/1942- 1945

Loaned to Australia 1953 – 1955

Sold to Brazil 1956

re-fitted 1957 – 1960 in Rotterdam Holland, angled deck added

overhauled 1976 –1980
Laid-up 1987

Refitted 1991 – 1993

Refitted 1997 – 1998

De-Commissioned November 2001

Sold to Private concerns 2002

Sale did not complete.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-31 06:24pm

HO-LEE SHIT

EIDT (after initial shock):You can buy aircraft carriers nowadays?! My god...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-31 06:26pm

Sweet...now if I had the four million and a small air force to use said carrier.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-05-31 06:29pm

C'mon everybody, I'm sure if we pool our resources and put into PayPal, SD.Net could have it's own Aircraft carrier!

Hey, I can dream!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 06:29pm

Vengeance is in horrible shape and largely stripped, that’s why it's only 4.5 million; it's the value of the scrap. It doesn’t help that the whole Collossus class was built to civilian specifications as part of a UK war emergency program. Most of the class was scrapped over forty years ago.

If I had 4.5 million to spare this isn't a vessel I'd buy despite my love of naval history.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-05-31 06:31pm

Only $4 million for a decommissioned carrier? There has to be a catch. Is it haunted? Do you only get the front half of it? The price is in 1945 dollars and would be more expensive now? Is it a model? Has it been so stripped down that there aren't even any floors or walls? It is lying underneath the sae as of now?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 06:44pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Only $4 million for a decommissioned carrier? There has to be a catch. Is it haunted? Do you only get the front half of it? The price is in 1945 dollars and would be more expensive now? Is it a model? Has it been so stripped down that there aren't even any floors or walls? It is lying underneath the sae as of now?

It's more the fact that it's utterly worthless as a vessel. The engines are worn out, and the ship has been stripped, I doubt it even has any toilets left. The only point to buying it would be if you were going to get a tug and scrap the thing. The cost reflects that. Low quality scrap just isn't that expensive.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-05-31 06:50pm

Still looks good though. Just plot that carrier anker near my beach house and it's all set.

Cyaround,
Jason

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 08:01pm

Soontir C'boath wrote:Still looks good though. Just plot that carrier anker near my beach house and it's all set.

Cyaround,
Jason

Then watch as a hurricane tears it from anchor and suddenly you find your view of the ocean blocked. Then a few court cases later you find your self-selling that house to pay for its removal, the bottom having been ripped open and requiring extensive salvage work.

Sounds like fun!

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-05-31 08:30pm

He could beach it and fill the ballast and holds with concrete. Maybe operate a small-scale airport.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 08:36pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:He could beach it and fill the ballast and holds with concrete. Maybe operate a small-scale airport.

Hope your not serious.

About the largest plane that can land on the things is a Skyhawk, and very few commercial aircraft that are small enough could handle the shock of a carrier landing let alone the strain of a tail hook, very few as in none. Not to mention you'd still need to pour tens if not hundreds of millions into it. Intentional beaching is an awful idea, the hull would be torn apart and the ship would be unstable. Its also very likely illegal.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2003-05-31 08:54pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Hope your not serious.

About the largest plane that can land on the things is a Skyhawk, and very few commercial aircraft that are small enough could handle the shock of a carrier landing let alone the strain of a tail hook, very few as in none. Not to mention you'd still need to pour tens if not hundreds of millions into it. Intentional beaching is an awful idea, the hull would be torn apart and the ship would be unstable. Its also very likely illegal.

Anyone ever tell you you take the fun out of these things?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-31 08:59pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Hope your not serious.

About the largest plane that can land on the things is a Skyhawk, and very few commercial aircraft that are small enough could handle the shock of a carrier landing let alone the strain of a tail hook, very few as in none. Not to mention you'd still need to pour tens if not hundreds of millions into it. Intentional beaching is an awful idea, the hull would be torn apart and the ship would be unstable. Its also very likely illegal.

Planes for small people could go. Gnomish planes, even.

We'll be interviewing the man who devised this, Starship Titanic, next in this Small-on-Tall special: Its like that game where you knock elves of that aircraft carrier with bowling balls...except that won't happen...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-31 08:59pm

RogueIce wrote:
Anyone ever tell you you take the fun out of these things?

Yes. But there are a damn lot of ships which I'd like to see and by all rights should have been saved but end up in the breakers yards. This ship isn't one of them.

David · Post by **David** » 2003-05-31 09:03pm

Looks to be in good condition for a 55 year old ship...... plus you could get a bumber sticker that says " My other car is an aircraft carrier."

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-05-31 09:31pm

David wrote:Looks to be in good condition for a 55 year old ship...... plus you could get a bumber sticker that says " My other car is an aircraft carrier."

You'd need to have a subtitle that says "You only wish I was kidding".

Ubiquitous · Post by **Ubiquitous** » 2003-06-01 10:16am

Hmm, this gives me an idea ... could someone convert the thing into a house and live in it? You could have a garden and pool on the flight deck, and live below deck! Hey, people near me live in cannal barges, imagine the room in a 700 foot carrier. If you don't like your neighbours, you can ram them!

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-06-01 10:34am

The US should buy it to prevent it falling into the hands of terrorists.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2003-06-01 10:59am

Sea Skimmer wrote:Then watch as a hurricane tears it from anchor and suddenly you find your view of the ocean blocked. Then a few court cases later you find your self-selling that house to pay for its removal, the bottom having been ripped open and requiring extensive salvage work.
Sounds like fun!

.......ok...then I'll buy me a couple Zeroes fill them with TNT and Kamikaze away then!

Cyaround,
Jason

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-01 11:11am

Vympel wrote:The US should buy it to prevent it falling into the hands of terrorists.

Why? We should hope they'd be so foolish to take that against against a US Navy Carrier Group. It wouldn't be Leyte Gulf but it would be nice to say we've sunk an enemy carrier.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-06-01 11:12am

Soontir C'boath wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Then watch as a hurricane tears it from anchor and suddenly you find your view of the ocean blocked. Then a few court cases later you find your self-selling that house to pay for its removal, the bottom having been ripped open and requiring extensive salvage work.
Sounds like fun!
.......ok...then I'll buy me a couple Zeroes fill them with TNT and Kamikaze away then!

Cyaround,
Jason

A Zero is flying condition would be worth more than that carrier. Better to use some crappy modern planes.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-06-01 11:27am

There is an organisation in the UK that is trying to buy that ship, and bring it back home, where it is to become a floating museum.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-06-01 01:59pm

ALI_G wrote:Hmm, this gives me an idea ... could someone convert the thing into a house and live in it? You could have a garden and pool on the flight deck, and live below deck! Hey, people near me live in cannal barges, imagine the room in a 700 foot carrier. If you don't like your neighbours, you can ram them!

But where's the profit? Perhaps it could be converted into apartments. Sure, I don't think many people would want to live in a half-century-old aircraft carrier, but it would probably be cheaper than making the thing seaworthy.

As for terrorists getting it, it might be a good thing. We buy it for $4.5 million, sell it to Al-Qaeda for several times that price while telling them that it's in working order (Perhaps poke a few holes in it just to make sure it isn't). We kill two birds with one stone: The people selling it make a huge profit, and terrorists are stuck a sinking ship.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-01 02:05pm

Vympel wrote:The US should buy it to prevent it falling into the hands of terrorists.

Why wouldn't we want them to get it? Once the terrorists are done setting up a base in the hanger deck we can just sink the hulk with a single torpedo. Much cheaper then sending out Special Forces teams for months. Unless they have a very good tug they wont be escaping.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-06-01 02:06pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:
But where's the profit? Perhaps it could be converted into apartments. Sure, I don't think many people would want to live in a half-century-old aircraft carrier, but it would probably be cheaper than making the thing seaworthy.

The cost of upgrading the electrical systems alone for such a task would likely run into the millions of dollars.