why popularity Karate to Taekwondo shift?

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-08-03 10:51pm

Okay, I'm taking Taekwondo now and I'm still only a white belt with a black stripe, but I'm wondering something.

10 years ago, Karate was everywhere, but now, you don't see it hardly anywhere and Taekwondo is everywhere, anyone know why?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-03 10:52pm

Possibly becasue it sounds more "exotic". And becasue 10 years ago everyone knew the Karate Kid. Now they don't, we have Neo now.

Solamnus · Post by **Solamnus** » 2003-08-03 10:55pm

Neo is kung-fu. I have my blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, and if you ever go to competitions, be prepared to be bored out of your mind. My only beef with Tae Kwon Do, is that it teaches next to nothing when concerning self-defense in real life. Great kicks, probably the best in any martial art, but not enough grappling and blocks.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-08-03 10:58pm

i am assuming the most people like all the fancy kicks

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-08-03 11:00pm

Marial arts like so many other things is trendy, that's just the way it is, it goes in cycles.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-08-03 11:24pm

Yer Doomed wrote:Neo is kung-fu. I have my blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, and if you ever go to competitions, be prepared to be bored out of your mind. My only beef with Tae Kwon Do, is that it teaches next to nothing when concerning self-defense in real life. Great kicks, probably the best in any martial art, but not enough grappling and blocks.

I have a similar opinion of TKD as well. Most real life fights happen at close range, one moment everything's cool the next some guy's grabbing you and trying to beat the crap out of you. Things rarely happen at "dueling range" where TKD's strengths are. I only got to green belt myself in TKD, but I found that we did enough blocking but never really learned to take advantage of openings created by blocks, nor did we learn any jamming or trapping techniques. That was my main problem, the defense was rather passive. We just dodged or blocked waiting for openings instead of doing stop-hits and jamming the opponent's moves to set up a counter-attack or trapping him, yanking him off balance, and beating him senseless. Maybe it was just the dojos in my area, so I can't say all TKD is like this, just the 2 places I trained at.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-03 11:30pm

aerius wrote:Marial arts like so many other things is trendy, that's just the way it is, it goes in cycles.

Like touching yourself at night?

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-08-03 11:37pm

What are the fundemental differences between various forms of martial arts like kung fu, karate, judo, tae kwan do, etc?

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-08-04 12:02am

kojikun wrote:What are the fundemental differences between various forms of martial arts like kung fu, karate, judo, tae kwan do, etc?

IIRC:

Kung Fu is a Chinese martial art which features large fluid movements and is popular in movies because it is the prettiest martial art.

Karate emphasizes strong, rapid blows with hands and feet.

Judo is a grappling and throwing style.

Tae Kwan Do emphasizes kicks.

The difference in martial arts lies in the purpose for which they were designed and which style of attack they favor. Karate was developed to give an unarmed person to ability to rapidly incapacitate an opponent, so it favors hard offensive strikes, etc.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-08-04 12:02am

kojikun wrote:What are the fundemental differences between various forms of martial arts like kung fu, karate, judo, tae kwan do, etc?

They're exactly the same but completely different. And you can't spell fundamental without fun. To learn you must study and do. Train hard grasshopper!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-04 12:03am

aerius wrote:
kojikun wrote:What are the fundemental differences between various forms of martial arts like kung fu, karate, judo, tae kwan do, etc?
They're exactly the same but completely different. And you can't spell fundamental without fun. To learn you must study and do. Train hard grasshopper!

You forget...

Wax on, wax off.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-08-04 12:03am

kojikun wrote:What are the fundemental differences between various forms of martial arts like kung fu, karate, judo, tae kwan do, etc?

Hmm. They're all Eastern martial arts, and most rely on keeping the opponent at a distance... As I understand it, judo has a bit more grappling and throwing, and tae kawn do has a bit more kicking.

Kung Fu is Chinese, and there are actually quite a few variations of it. Karate is just the Japanese version of it.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-08-04 12:04am

Gandalf wrote:You forget...

Wax on, wax off.

Remember to use lube.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-04 12:51am

Gandalf wrote:
aerius wrote:Marial arts like so many other things is trendy, that's just the way it is, it goes in cycles.
Like touching yourself at night?

No, that's ALWAYS trendy.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-08-04 01:01am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Gandalf wrote:
aerius wrote:Marial arts like so many other things is trendy, that's just the way it is, it goes in cycles.
Like touching yourself at night?
No, that's ALWAYS trendy.

Hell, I'm doing it right now!

Saurencaerthai · Post by **Saurencaerthai** » 2003-08-04 01:19am

Eh, take Krav Maga, Filipino martial arts, or Brazillian Jiu Jitzu and you're good to go.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-08-04 04:13am

The real power lies in Tai Shing Pek Kwar

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-04 04:31am

I perfer aikido, since it emphasizes using your opponents momentum against them, something very handing in a fight in real life.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-08-04 04:43am

I am wondering how much strenght would it take to say twist someones arm out of it's socket? How disabling and painfull would such a injury be, and with what lasting effects?

From what I've seen it can be very painfull and does not leave lasting effects, hence this would seem to be a good method for disabling an attacker, assuming you have the strenght for it(and assuming it requires alot of strenght).

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-08-04 04:52am

Well, the real question is, "How would each of these variations of martial arts fare if we took one master of each, plus a boxer and a kickboxer, and pit them against each other in a devious and clandestine fighting tournament taking place on a small island near Hong Kong, and starring Jean-Claude Van Damme and/or Chuck Norris?"

Oh, wait. That movie's been made a BAZILLION times.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-04 05:09am

Robert Treder wrote:Well, the real question is, "How would each of these variations of martial arts fare if we took one master of each, plus a boxer and a kickboxer, and pit them against each other in a devious and clandestine fighting tournament taking place on a small island near Hong Kong, and starring Jean-Claude Van Damme and/or Chuck Norris?"

Oh, wait. That movie's been made a BAZILLION times.

Well, we know several things.
--Chuck Norris or one of Jean-Claude's buddies will be seriously hurt by the main villian. As will a tall black dude with an afro and dialogue straight from the set of a blacksploitation movie.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will be one wicked looking Asian guy who likes to not just hurt people but cripple them. His manager will be a smug looking Chinese businessman.
--There will be a blonde American chick running around. She will be Jean Claudes love interest.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will cheat in their final match. Jean-Claude will overcome this by remember a lesson from his past.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-08-04 05:28am

Gil Hamilton wrote:
Robert Treder wrote:Well, the real question is, "How would each of these variations of martial arts fare if we took one master of each, plus a boxer and a kickboxer, and pit them against each other in a devious and clandestine fighting tournament taking place on a small island near Hong Kong, and starring Jean-Claude Van Damme and/or Chuck Norris?"

Oh, wait. That movie's been made a BAZILLION times.
Well, we know several things.
--Chuck Norris or one of Jean-Claude's buddies will be seriously hurt by the main villian. As will a tall black dude with an afro and dialogue straight from the set of a blacksploitation movie.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will be one wicked looking Asian guy who likes to not just hurt people but cripple them. His manager will be a smug looking Chinese businessman.
--There will be a blonde American chick running around. She will be Jean Claudes love interest.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will cheat in their final match. Jean-Claude will overcome this by remember a lesson from his past.

Oooh, who cares how many times this has been done, this sounds like one AWESOME movie!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-08-04 05:35am

Robert Treder wrote:
Gil Hamilton wrote:Well, we know several things.
--Chuck Norris or one of Jean-Claude's buddies will be seriously hurt by the main villian. As will a tall black dude with an afro and dialogue straight from the set of a blacksploitation movie.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will be one wicked looking Asian guy who likes to not just hurt people but cripple them. His manager will be a smug looking Chinese businessman.
--There will be a blonde American chick running around. She will be Jean Claudes love interest.
--The main opponent of Jean-Claude will cheat in their final match. Jean-Claude will overcome this by remember a lesson from his past.
Oooh, who cares how many times this has been done, this sounds like one AWESOME movie!

It does actually. I'd pay to see it, not money of course.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2003-08-04 05:39am

Robert Treder wrote:Oooh, who cares how many times this has been done, this sounds like one AWESOME movie!

I know. Those movies are so great. Plus, I haven't seen too many parodies of them. I want to write a parody called "Chickenfist: Hard-Boiled" and follow the Jean-Claude Van Damme "Bloodsport" genre fighting movie paradigm for it.

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2003-08-04 05:51am

aerius wrote: Maybe it was just the dojos in my area, so I can't say all TKD is like this, just the 2 places I trained at.

AFAIK a reason is because of the popularizing of TKD and tournaments, special forces trained with TKD still practice grab/jam techniques.