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No. Magazine jams like a bitch.

It's also lightly constructed and its performance has been greatly over hyped. Only three nations bought a significant number, and one has trashed them in favor of G36K's.

PDWs like the P90 are designed to be last-ditch self-defense weapons for vehicle crews and/or rear-echelon personnell, not true combat weapons; they're a lot better than nothing, but you'd almost always be infinitely better off using an assault carbine or at least a full size submachine gun.

If you must have a PDW, the the Heckler & Koch MP7 completely trashes the P90 in every possible way -- it's smaller, longer-ranged, more accurate, penetrates better, doesn't jam as easily, doesn't get all the bullets in the magazine scrambled up if dropped, and even looks much cooler.

got a pic

P90: http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm

HK-MP7: http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg49-e.htm

And it looks like a high-tech Uzi, too.

Striderteen wrote: If you must have a PDW, the the Heckler & Koch MP7 completely trashes the P90 in every possible way -- it's smaller, longer-ranged, more accurate, penetrates better, doesn't jam as easily, doesn't get all the bullets in the magazine scrambled up if dropped, and even looks much cooler.

That HP-7 does look pretty cool. However, do you think non-standard ammo would be a concern?

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
That HP-7 does look pretty cool. However, do you think non-standard ammo would be a concern?

The P90 also uses a non-standard round, 5.7x28mm. Only one other FN weapon, a handgun, uses it. And that gun is also quite rare.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

TrailerParkJawa wrote:
That HP-7 does look pretty cool. However, do you think non-standard ammo would be a concern?

The P90 also uses a non-standard round, 5.7x28mm. Only one other FN weapon, a handgun, uses it. And that gun is also quite rare.

Do you think these will catch on with NATO forces?

TrailerParkJawa wrote:Do you think these will catch on with NATO forces?

Perhaps the pistol, in very limited numbers. It has a large magazine and exceptional performance for a handgun. NATO forces are unlikely to use something that would require an entirely new round to be put into production and issued.

Damnit, just use the HK53 with a box magazine (40 or 50 rnds) and have the MP-7 as a backup.

I don't know how I feel for either of them. They both look cool but looks aren't everything. Much less when you under fire.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
Perhaps the pistol, in very limited numbers. It has a large magazine and exceptional performance for a handgun. NATO forces are unlikely to use something that would require an entirely new round to be put into production and issued.

Its stopping power is to low to get adapted; it really is and will remain a specialist weapon. Though with 95% of personal more likely to shoot them self then the enemy low powered handguns have an advantage. Evidently that was a major factor in convincing some armies to drop down to 9mm.

Damnit, just use the HK53 with a box magazine (40 or 50 rnds) and have the MP-7 as a backup.

You forgot the "use multi billion dollar budget to bring an infantry platoon on every mission" part.

BTW, who uses the mp7?
And thanks for the site, I like it.

Lt. Dan wrote:BTW, who uses the mp7?
And thanks for the site, I like it.

...You might try reading the appropriate page on the site in question.

The MP-7, first announced in 2000, entered production in 2001 and, according to some sources, is adopted by some German special units, such as KSK, and also offered for export sales and for NATO-trials as an another could-be NATO PDW (the only other competitor is FN P-90).

New guns often take several years to be evaluated and accepted into a nations military service so its unlikely that there have been many other customers buying more then a few examples for trials.

Lt. Dan wrote:BTW, who uses the mp7?
And thanks for the site, I like it.

Stormtroopers at a Star Wars convention determined to set matters straight once and for all about the "rebel matter"

The P90 is an interesting design project, but it is not and should not be considered a weapon suitable for combat.

The entire PDW concept is a dumbfuck idea. It's just an excuse to give gun manufacturer's something to do. The HK 53 or any other small weapon using 5.56x45mm is fine for the job, the AKS-74U has been the gold standard in PDW on the other side of the fence for over two decades.

Unfortunately the West is in need of a PDW. The berata 9mm just doesn't have the stopping power or the penetration to deal with regular troops. It works fine for taking out your average street thug or militia man, but against proper troops with decent body armor, its just not going to cut it.

Zed Snardbody wrote:Unfortunately the West is in need of a PDW. The berata 9mm just doesn't have the stopping power or the penetration to deal with regular troops. It works fine for taking out your average street thug or militia man, but against proper troops with decent body armor, its just not going to cut it.

I don't dispute that, I'm saying that the concept for some new weapon with new ammo is stupid.

okay. I didn't want this thread to be hijacked into a SGC thread. Please start your own thread and stop SPAMMING MINE!!!!

Agent Fisher wrote:okay. I didn't want this thread to be hijacked into a SGC thread. Please start your own thread and stop SPAMMING MINE!!!!

But its so fun!

Seriously though, both use p-90's so its somewhat on-topic.

You already got a ton of them...

Sea Skimmer wrote:The P90 looks futuristic to many and that likely a major reason why the SCG uses them, but then they say that about the AUG as well and I'd argue its the definition of an ugly gun.

Couldn't agree more. The AUG is butt-fucking-ugly.

Howedar wrote:

Sea Skimmer wrote:The P90 looks futuristic to many and that likely a major reason why the SCG uses them, but then they say that about the AUG as well and I'd argue its the definition of an ugly gun.

Couldn't agree more. The AUG is butt-fucking-ugly.

The AUG is a very nice weapon though. Once you fix the barrel melting, magazine warping and the IDIOTS who shoot with their face jammed up to the sight...