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Speak English? You must be a frickin' genius

Posted: 2003-08-10 10:35am
by Tsyroc
This should rattle your brain a little....

If you ever feel stupid, then just read on.
If you've learned to speak fluent English, you must be a genius!

This little treatise on the lovely language we share is only for the brave.
Peruse at your leisure, English lovers.

Reasons why the English language is so hard to learn:

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

2) The farm was used to produce produce.

3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

4) We must polish the Polish furniture.

5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.

7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was
time to present the present.

8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

10) I did not object to the object.

11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.

13) They were too close to the door to close it.

14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.

17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail

18) After a number of injections my jaw got number.

19) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.

20) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

21) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither
apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented
in England or French fries in France (Surprise!). Sweetmeats
are candies while sweetbreads,which aren't sweet, are meat.

Quicksand works slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?

If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend. If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? Is it an odd, or an end?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out, and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.

P.S. - Why doesn't "Buick" rhyme with "quick"?

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:14pm
by Mark S
Is the plural of beer, beers or beer? I hear people say both.

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:19pm
by Captain Cyran
I feel so intelligent after being able to understand all of that. :D

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:20pm
by Crayz9000
Heh. Unlike a lot of geniuses here in Los Angeles, not only could I understand the differences between the words, but I can pronounce the different variants correctly...

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:25pm
by The Duchess of Zeon
Number is not a word.

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:28pm
by Peregrin Toker
And that's before we get started on Danish... my father has actually noted that it would be easier for immigrants to learn rural dialects of Danish than the "undistorted" Danish language spoken in, say, Copenhagen.

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:46pm
by fgalkin
Bah, learning that one word has many meaninings was easy. In Russian, on the other hand, there are 10 words with the same meaning. Knowing which one to use in a situation is why Russian is considered so hard. :twisted:

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-08-10 12:50pm
by Montcalm
Crayz9000 wrote:Heh. Unlike a lot of geniuses here in Los Angeles, not only could I understand the differences between the words, but I can pronounce the different variants correctly...
Same here and i`m French-Canadian (WOOHOO) :mrgreen:

Posted: 2003-08-10 01:56pm
by Master of Ossus
While amusing, there are many languages that have double-nouns. In particular, German comes to mind (which Kafka exploited to its fullest in his works).

However, the English grammatical structure is very unusual, and results from the use of a Latin grammatical base on a Germanic vocabulary. This led to all manner of problems, and means that a great many verbs in the English language are irregular. This makes English a comparatively difficult language to learn, although I would also posit that almost all languages present unique difficulties.

Re: Speak English? You must be a frickin' genius

Posted: 2003-08-10 03:14pm
by SAMAS
Tsyroc wrote:This should rattle your brain a little....

If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth?
Or the plural of youth yeeth?
One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese?
Because we hate meeses to pieces! :mrgreen:
If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?
And for that matter, why do doctors call what they do "practice?"
How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same,
Actually, they don't. However, Fat Chance is never used outside of sarcasm.

And for that matter:

Have you ever seen a hero or villian who was vincible?

Or a person act couth?

Or why do women have a pair of panties to cover one thing, but only one bra to cover two?

Posted: 2003-08-10 03:18pm
by Rye
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Number is not a word.
Well, number is (:roll: my godless that sounded stupid) , but is the other one actually "more numb"?

Posted: 2003-08-10 03:32pm
by Spare
I would disagree about English having some very difficult structure.
I would say on the contrary - learning English is quite easy, one of the few reasons why it's so popular thorough the world.

If you want a truly difficult language to learn from the Proto-Indo-European family, try the baltic/slavic group - like polish, russian, serbo-croatian etc.

But why is english so easy when it comes to comparison with languages such as polish?
The main problem lies within the number of so-called inflectional morphemes - i.e. chunks of the words that designate whenever the word is singular or plural, past of present tense - aspects of grammatical functions. In English, the number of inflectional morphemes is...I dont remember exactly, but somewhere around 12?. In polish there are more than one hundred (100) inflectional morphemes. Try to learn them all. Its one of the reasons polish isnt a popular language to learn. And all the irregular cases...

Of course its only an example, differences go much farther than that. We can consider all kinds of syntactic, morphological and phonological differences and we may find something even better.
Im not a native speaker of english, my mother language is in fact polish.

Posted: 2003-08-10 03:39pm
by fgalkin
Tolya wrote:I would disagree about English having some very difficult structure.
I would say on the contrary - learning English is quite easy, one of the few reasons why it's so popular thorough the world.

If you want a truly difficult language to learn from the Proto-Indo-European family, try the baltic/slavic group - like polish, russian, serbo-croatian etc.

But why is english so easy when it comes to comparison with languages such as polish?
The main problem lies within the number of so-called inflectional morphemes - i.e. chunks of the words that designate whenever the word is singular or plural, past of present tense - aspects of grammatical functions. In English, the number of inflectional morphemes is...I dont remember exactly, but somewhere around 12?. In polish there are more than one hundred (100) inflectional morphemes. Try to learn them all. Its one of the reasons polish isnt a popular language to learn. And all the irregular cases...

Of course its only an example, differences go much farther than that. We can consider all kinds of syntactic, morphological and phonological differences and we may find something even better.
Im not a native speaker of english, my mother language is in fact polish.
And, for those of you who ae wondering, Polish is not fucked-up Russian, like Ukrainean is.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Posted: 2003-08-10 04:43pm
by Johonebesus
That reminds me of a wonderful bit in "I Love Lucy" where Desi is reading to the baby and comes up on an -ough word. Lucy corrects his pronunciacion, and then he pronounces the next one the same way, and she corrects him again, and so on, rough, though, bough, cough, through, dough, hiccough.

Posted: 2003-08-10 05:38pm
by Slartibartfast
Mark S wrote:Is the plural of beer, beers or beer? I hear people say both.
Depends if you're saying "beer" short of "a bottle of beer" or "a can of beer". Beer is a liquid, like water, and you can't have two "waters". You can have a certain amount of water. Likewise, you can have a lot of beer, but if you have "a lot of beers", you're probably talking cans or glasses or mugs or whatever.

Posted: 2003-08-10 05:39pm
by Slartibartfast
And really, English is a no-brainer. The only fucked up thing is the pronunciation. There are hardly any conjugations...

Posted: 2003-08-10 05:44pm
by Slartibartfast
Johonebesus wrote:That reminds me of a wonderful bit in "I Love Lucy" where Desi is reading to the baby and comes up on an -ough word. Lucy corrects his pronunciacion, and then he pronounces the next one the same way, and she corrects him again, and so on, rough, though, bough, cough, through, dough, hiccough.
That's what happens when you build a language around the idea that a certain termination is pronounced a certain way, unless it refers to the third person, except on Mondays.

Posted: 2003-08-10 05:49pm
by Robert Treder
Rye wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Number is not a word.
Well, number is (:roll: my godless that sounded stupid) , but is the other one actually "more numb"?
dictionary.com indicates that "more numb" can be expressed as "number".

Posted: 2003-08-10 08:04pm
by EmperorChrostas the Cruel
Well, that's what happens when you glom onto other words, from different languages, and retait the original languages plural rules, rather than changing the word to fit into "proper" english grammar.
Mouse, mice, bouse, blice?House, hice?
Mouse is a latin word.
Blouse is a french word.
House is punic german.
Different plural rules.

Same with octopus, fish, octapi, fishes.
Latin, and punic german.


All these computer wizzes, and they don't understand backwards compatability problems?

Posted: 2003-08-10 11:48pm
by Johonebesus
EmperorChrostas the Cruel wrote:Well, that's what happens when you glom onto other words, from different languages, and retait the original languages plural rules, rather than changing the word to fit into "proper" english grammar.
Mouse, mice, bouse, blice?House, hice?
Mouse is a latin word.
Blouse is a french word.
House is punic german.
Different plural rules.

Same with octopus, fish, octapi, fishes.
Latin, and punic german.


All these computer wizzes, and they don't understand backwards compatability problems?
Actually, mouse is also Germanic, not Romanic. Most of the most basic words in English are Germanic, the basic vocabulary of a five-year-old or the words you need to describe a farm and the woods.
What is "Punic German"? I have never seen that combination. Punic is the adjective taken from Phoenicia, hence Punic War - Phoenician War.

Posted: 2003-08-11 12:50am
by EmperorChrostas the Cruel
I got the term from the online etymology dictionary. Perhaps I misunderstood the abreviations.
Ha! Now I see, after looking closer it meant proto-germanic.

Oops!

Posted: 2003-08-11 02:43am
by Gandalf
I now feel smarter, and I might go learn Chinese.

Re: Speak English? You must be a frickin' genius

Posted: 2003-08-11 02:45am
by His Divine Shadow
Tsyroc wrote:If you've learned to speak fluent English, you must be a genius!
Yeah! I'm a genius!

Posted: 2003-08-11 03:04am
by Shogoki
Slartibartfast wrote:And really, English is a no-brainer. The only fucked up thing is the pronunciation. There are hardly any conjugations...
I agree, english isn't hard at all; I learned most of my english watching The Discovery Channel (not english classes, just documentaries on wildlife and technology) and scored 650 out of 677 in the TOEFL (I think they have a different scale now, but that's still 96%). I do have some trouble when it comes to producing english, both written and spoken, specially when pronouncing it, but that's due to my lack of practice, since I don't use it for much more than watching news and reading magazines at this stage in my life. I can understand pretty much anything, the whole list was no problem. I find it a very easy language to understand, except for the awkward pronunciation, but that's no biggie and I’m sure I can get it right in a few months (or less) of active use.

Posted: 2003-08-12 07:06am
by Slartibartfast
I had originally learned english while playing Space Quest I & II, and some Infocom games, learning a bit more each time I looked up a word in the dictionary. By the time I had finished these games I understood english almost completely :)

I learned how to actually understand spoken english by watching a few episodes of Deep Space Nine that some friend with cable TV had recorded for me.

I got the pronounciation right after about two weeks of visiting a friend in the US.