Red October

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-08-31 10:14pm

if any one knows please answer this. In the movie Red October what did the soviet sailors sing after Captain Raimus's speech.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-08-31 10:19pm

I think it might be the communist national anthem.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-08-31 10:21pm

wouldn't Fgalkin know since he is russian

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-31 10:27pm

Agent Fisher wrote:wouldn't Fgalkin know since he is russian

Your America, can you identify the soundtracks from every American oriented movie Hollywood's ever churned out?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-08-31 10:27pm

Good god. It's the National Anthem of the USSR. I mean like ... HELLO?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-08-31 10:29pm

Since I don;t want to start another thread on this, can anyone identify for me the song that is playing during Indiana Jones and the Last crusade when they are burning books at the rally that Indiana runs into hitler. Its very militaristic and just sounded great to listen to while writing for the Empire.

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-08-31 10:31pm

Vympel wrote:Good god. It's the National Anthem of the USSR. I mean like ... HELLO?

Thats what I thought I just wanted comfirmation. And Skimmer, no I cannot.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-08-31 10:32pm

It was the old Soviet national anthem.

Here's a link to a site where you can read an English translation of the lyrics, and her a WAV file of the original:

http://www.funet.fi/pub/culture/russian ... ateng.html

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-08-31 10:39pm

Vympel wrote:Good god. It's the National Anthem of the USSR. I mean like ... HELLO?

The formal name is The Hymn of the Soviet Union as I recall

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-08-31 10:43pm

There are several versions of the hymn- the original one adopted in the middle of WW2, with lots of praise for Stalin IIRC, and then the post-Stalin one which excised his name from the lyrics. It sounds best when done by the Red Army Choir, IMO.

The current Russian Federation anthem is the same tune, but different words. Still sounds very good.

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-08-31 10:46pm

Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь.
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Партия Ленина — сила народная
Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведет!

Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил:
На правое дело он поднял народы,
На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Партия Ленина — сила народная
Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведет!

В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма
Мы видим грядущее нашей страны,
И Красному знамени славной Отчизны
Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надежный оплот!
Партия Ленина — сила народная
Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведет!

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Post by **fgalkin** » 2003-08-31 10:58pm

Vympel wrote: The current Russian Federation anthem is the same tune, but different words. Still sounds very good.

Another reason why I hate Dobbie.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-08-31 11:23pm

Stravo wrote:Since I don;t want to start another thread on this, can anyone identify for me the song that is playing during Indiana Jones and the Last crusade when they are burning books at the rally that Indiana runs into hitler. Its very militaristic and just sounded great to listen to while writing for the Empire.

Der Koniggratzen March.

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2003-09-01 12:04am

Unbreakable Union of freeborn Republics,
Great Russia has welded forever to stand.
Created in struggle by will of the people,
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

Through tempests the sunrays of freedom have cheered us,
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead.
To a righteous cause he raised up the peoples,
Inspired them to labor and valorous deed.
[Or, the old way:
Be true to the people, thus Stalin has reared us,
Inspire us to labor and valorous deed!]

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

In the vict'ry of Communism's deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land.
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
Selflessly true we always shall stand!

Boy, did they get it wrong.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-01 12:07am

Its very good, IMHO. More inspiring than the Star Spangled Banner.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-09-01 12:08am

Nice words, very patriotic and nationalistic, but ultimately futile

EDIT: Anyone know where I can D/L "Dixie"?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-09-01 12:10am

Vorlon1701 wrote:Nice words, very patriotic and nationalistic, but ultimately futile

EDIT: Anyone know where I can D/L "Dixie"?

Have you even tired a web search? Because if that doesn't turn up several thousand downloads I'd be rather surprised.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-09-01 02:53am

Howedar wrote:Its very good, IMHO. More inspiring than the Star Spangled Banner.

I don't think so. The tune is alright, but no better than The Star Spangled Banner IMO, and not nearly as good as Deutschland über Alles.

As for the lyrics, maybe I'm just too anti-communist, but I can't find communist propaganda rhetoric the least bit inspiring.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-09-01 02:57am

Really its the same as democratic rhetoric.

I agree that Deutschland über Alles is better though.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-09-01 04:21am

Howedar wrote:Really its the same as democratic rhetoric.

Hardly. The Star Spangled Banner is merely a rousing paean to the bravery of US troops in a hard fought battle. There are no hagiographic remarks about American leaders, as there are about Lenin and Stalin (two of history's real monsters at that) in the Soviet anthem. There is no mention of capitalism's or democracy's triumph in the US anthem to compare with the Soviet hymn to communism.

Communist rhetoric has always been rather more bombastic, not to mention more dishonest. Remember, they took their cue from Lenin, who always said it was alright to lie and deceive the people in order to advance the cause of communism. No democratic leader has ever been quite so brazen in expressing that sentiment (and most of the American founding fathers, I honestly think, would not have subscribed to that notion), and the rhetoric tends to be a little less transparent as a result (though sometimes not much during the height of the Cold War).

Howedar wrote:I agree that Deutschland über Alles is better though.

It ought to be, the music was written by Joseph Haydn, who was a gifted composer.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-01 06:29am

Perinquus wrote:
Howedar wrote:I don't think so. The tune is alright, but no better than The Star Spangled Banner IMO, and not nearly as good as Deutschland über Alles.

Eh well, we only use/sing the third verse of the Deutschlandlied, which is also the official national anthem of germany.

The other two verses, especially "Deutschland über Alles" are not used anymore, and are not very popular.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-01 06:31am

Vorlon1701 wrote:
Stravo wrote:Since I don;t want to start another thread on this, can anyone identify for me the song that is playing during Indiana Jones and the Last crusade when they are burning books at the rally that Indiana runs into hitler. Its very militaristic and just sounded great to listen to while writing for the Empire.
Der Koniggratzen March.

Hm, shouldn't that be Königgrätz?
Because that's the only thing that comes close to this...

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2003-09-01 06:57am

Dahak wrote:
Perinquus wrote:
Howedar wrote:I don't think so. The tune is alright, but no better than The Star Spangled Banner IMO, and not nearly as good as Deutschland über Alles.
Eh well, we only use/sing the third verse of the Deutschlandlied, which is also the official national anthem of germany.

The other two verses, especially "Deutschland über Alles" are not used anymore, and are not very popular.

We commonly omit the third verse of the Star Spangled Banner out of courtesy to the British, since it speaks of the blood of their slain soldiers having "wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution". Not a very neighborly sentiment toward out now steadfast allies.

I have read that the first two verses of Das Deutschlandlied are omitted. Looking at the lyrics, I can see why. "Germany over everything! Everything in the world!" is a frightening declaration in light of Nazi agression - even though the sentiment probably simply was meant to state that Germany was esteemed over everything in the hearts of its people, not to indicate a desire to rule the world. And the song also describes Germany extending from the Maas to the Memel, and from the Etsch to the Belt, and this may have been a more or less accurate description of Imperial Germany's boundaries, back when it incorporated most of Poland and stretched to the borders of Russia, but it is no longer geographically accurate. I suppose continuing to sing those words would give some the idea that the Germans are cherishing thoughts of restoring those borders.

Ah well, the national anthems many countries have to this day were born in a far less politically correct age. The French want to fertilize farms with their enemies' blood (they seem to be better at using their own for that purpose), and Britannia wants to rule the world's oceans. Look like Germany is ahead of the pack in excising the politically incorrect lyrics.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-09-01 07:06am

Perinquus wrote: I have read that the first two verses of Das Deutschlandlied are omitted. Looking at the lyrics, I can see why. "Germany over everything! Everything in the world!" is a frightening declaration in light of Nazi agression - even though the sentiment probably simply was meant to state that Germany was esteemed over everything in the hearts of its people, not to indicate a desire to rule the world. And the song also describes Germany extending from the Maas to the Memel, and from the Etsch to the Belt, and this may have been a more or less accurate description of Imperial Germany's boundaries, back when it incorporated most of Poland and stretched to the borders of Russia, but it is no longer geographically accurate. I suppose continuing to sing those words would give some the idea that the Germans are cherishing thoughts of restoring those borders.

"Deutschland über alles" comes fromt he time where there was no unified Germany, but scores of Duchies, Earldom, counties...
Germany over Everything was simply stating the one thing all had in common: being German. It wanted to say that apart from being different states in the origin, we are all Germans.
Unfortunately, as so many things, it got stained by the Nazis, so it is ommited.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-09-01 08:04am

Dahak wrote:Deutschland über alles" comes fromt he time where there was no unified Germany, but scores of Duchies, Earldom, counties...
Germany over Everything was simply stating the one thing all had in common: being German. It wanted to say that apart from being different states in the origin, we are all Germans.
Unfortunately, as so many things, it got stained by the Nazis, so it is ommited.

i think it wanted to say that all the duchies and earldoms should unite to one common nation.